SecretPro

People need to get a grip with this King thing. Being nice and loyal doesn't make you good. The sooner people actually take this on board the better because, seriously now, he is not premier league standard in the slightest and I don't think he would start for any other club in the prem. Nowhere near. Midfield needs looking at, even with Silva coming in because A. King is shit. B. James is a sick note and needs offloading.

I love Andy King, as a man, as a servant, but I can't bloody wait for him to retire so I don't have to listen to boring people telling me how he deserves to play and is a great player based purely on those first two attributes.

Both shite at defending. No matter how bad Chillers is I don't want Fuchs anywhere near the starting 11, his legs have absolutely gone.

Utter wank. I don't give a fook how nice Andy King is he should be nowhere near our ****ing first team, does nothing but pass backwards and stroll around. Everyone was utterly shit today, utter utter shite. Have a fecking look at yourselves. ****ing shite.

It was jokes that he was nominated on SPOTY though.

When did Fuchs turn so shite?

Oh look it's all Riyads fault again all of a sudden. There are 11 players in our team, they've all been shite, but Albrighton actually by far the worst.

A reliable stream via PM would be much appreciated as Reddit is shite and USA goals seems to no longer work!

CAN SOMEONE PM ME A STREAM PLEASE

Where are all the fecking streams? can someone PM me one?

Depends if the clientele get involved too. The 1852 is rough as arseholes.

I love him.

Loyal servant, just pretty poo at this level.

I thought you had already confirmed yourself as in the Shaky out brigade Col?

Don't tell Babs!

Fresh eyes required.

But we do have 20% possession and do **** all. The possession thing never bothered me before, in fact it was great in the title winning season because the moment we got the ball, we passed like Barcelona, skinned defenders for fun and outpaced anyone and everyone. But, this season and last, its starting to grate now how one trick pony we have become. Now we just bumble about giving possession away for 80% of the game through complete lack of football awareness, bereft of ideas, clumsiness and panic. For the 20% possession we have, I reckon about 1% of that is useful, or doesn't involve someone lumping it or giving it away on the second pass. Heart was racing watching the Liverpool match for two reasons; 1. Willing with every ounce of strength to get back in the game, and 2. with rage watching multi-million pound footballers make Sunday League look clean and crisp. The ups and downs of every moment, like 'yes, we've got the ball back, move it forward c'mon....oh, for ****s sake, why the feck has that bounced off of your knee? Oooo, thats it, compose yourself, look for the pass, yes that's it.... oh. yes. pump it long to Mr Nobody or Mr I'm a professional footballer but I've forgotten what my head is for. That might seem like excitement, with all those mixed emotions. Hell, the Liverpool game was probably super exciting for neutrals, but for me, watching the team I love that we've recently pumped millions into in the drive for progress play like they've just tied their laces for the first time. That's not excitement for me. And no, I don't want us to be boring in the same sense as Burnley or West Brom, but given the 'ambition' and the money we have spent, I would like to see A. some points on the board and B. some fecking football. EDIT. I must add, I'm not in the immediate out brigade for Shaky, i've stated previously see where we are at come the end of October when we've had a more natural run. I suspect we can get better if we utilise the right players and tactics. If come the end of October, early November and we are struggling then I think a decision should be made. I don't always like this idea of 'seeing where we are at come Christmas'. Id rather be proactive than put things off, especially when there is so much at stake. SECOND EDIT. Just to add again that I'm not buying some of these excuses. I mean seriously, Iborra is having to be shown how to play in a 4-4-2? Excuses like 'what do you expect with Andy King and Ndidi in the middle?' I just can't accept - if highly paid professional, international, footballers cannot adapt, or in fact just pass, then what the hell are they doing in the premier league and in our squad in the first place? The 'freak' season none of us wanted to be freak, we knew it was freak but at least hoped it would be the start of progress, development, ambition. We are currently playing to a standard comparable to our first season back. It's a shame to have to admit that - errors in that summer after winning the title have been dogging us since. I suspect some people might think this is a pretty damning and harsh assessment, especially considering the opposition, but barring the Arsenal game can anybody hand on heart say that we've done enough? I don't think so.

We are not exciting to watch because of the quality of football, in fact we are exciting to watch because the football is so shoddy that it's played at rocket pace like pinball on crack and sometimes we can put in an OK counter attack. It's exciting to watch because it's end to end. Our actual football is easily some of the worst in the league, it's utter dilge. Imagine paying players 50-100k a week that can't string two passes together, win headers, win second balls or create anything? No need to imagine with Leicester city. In fact, I'm not finding the football all that exciting to watch anyway this season; very predictable, very unambitious and literally no plan except 'play on the counter and if we go behind, lump it as much as possible'. I don't want to guess whether we can survive playing this way or not, but I know we definitely cannot progress. Some of it at times is genuinely atrocious.

Our 'football' is dross. We are so one dimensional it hurts and I think we need to work on other things instead of relying on counter attack for the rest of our lives.

Sorry to go on, but also following on from this; Our title winning season, something happened, actual unexplainable magic, everything just clicked in to place in some sort of orgasmic culmination of circumstance but: I'm not keen on the football we are playing. What worked then, isn't working now and relying wholly on counterattack football doesn't seem to me to be a great strategy. One reason for that is we have been found out, teams are well wise to it now. The brand of football we are playing at the minute I find pretty painful to watch, the passing is atrocious, the movement is terrible, there is negativity creeping in to the game and even when we counter, it isn't what it used to be. I often watch Match of the day and afterwards think that we play some of the ugliest football in the league, it's so mishmash, hit and hope and incoherent. I often find it difficult to spot what the game plan is or what it is we are trying to get out of the game and out of the players. It hurts to say this, but I think it's true.

This is the main thing for me as I mentioned earlier, it seems to be a habit with city that we tend to stick to the status quo rather than shake things up, we take an age to integrate new signings properly (ie. Starting) and in some instances this takes years, literally. (Gray). I'm not sure we will see the likes of Iborra and even Silva and Iheanacho starting regularly for a while. It seems to be the club are more interested in investing time in the likes of King, Ulloa, Shinji. Other teams seem to target the players they want in the transfer window and once they're in, they're in. Fact is, the team that we built for an age, that won the league is aging, a little less interested maybe and whether we like to admit it or not, is starting to look very one dimensional. I'd like to see us starting making changes and investing the time in similar quantities to the money we have spent on new players. If we keep clinging on to that quo, we will eventually be wasting time, talent and opportunities. Same goes for other areas of the club/staff. We need a shake up. We spent so long building the title winning team, they achieve a remarkable success and the end goal has been met. I don't want us to be too slow to move forward, and too romantic with the past. Im willing to give Shaky a while yet, but as I said, I'd be very interested to see what starting 11 an independent newcomer would pick, with no emotional attachment to the current squad. I think it could look very different, and it does kind of excite me.

What I would find interesting is if someone came in, completely independent, no agenda, no emotional attachment to the players, what starting 11 they would pick? I think in some ways it could look very different and I find the prospect of that a little exciting, if nothing else.

I, like yourself, have my fingers crossed.

I'm not sure that's going to make a difference. For some reason City seem to make a habit of not playing players the fans want them to, putting too much faith and friendship into the likes of King and Ulloa and generally keeping any new signings out of the starting line up for an age, literally years in some cases.