Babylon

No. They've been tinkered with numerous times. Including UEFA changing their rules just two years ago, which impacted us because at the time we were wanting to compete in Europe, and would have to adhere to them. The championship ones we fell foul of changed within a season, and again have changed numerous times since. https://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/#:~:text=Premier League update their FFP rules 25 April 2016&text=Clubs will be able to,during the current TV deal).

Seriously, how the hell can you plan as a club. I know the club are getting pelters at the minute, but how many times are they going to change the rules?

I might hear the delivery, but if I have no idea of the language, I have no idea of the nuances around the speed, pauses, etc. Or even how much subtitles distract from seeing some of the acting and said delivery, considering we're reading half the time. I watched Monarch and she didn't stand out particularly, for instance. And the people whose performances I'm not keen on in Shogun happen to be the ones speaking English all the time, coincidence?

It's hard to say how different it is. They got rid of Pearson, hired Sven and Sousa, wasted huge amounts of money on rubbish and failed FFP in the championship. It was a risk-taking strategy that frankly only turned up trumps with the re-hiring of Pearson. I'm not sure there was a single person really happy with Ranieri; there was a huge slice of luck there. Getting rid of a manager hugely popular within the club despite performing a minor miracle, the farse of the sacking / non sacking prior. It was Pearson who moulded the club, its brilliant scouting and the feeling of everyone pulling together. I'm not entirely sure there is a huge amount of difference there between his decision-making and Tops. We forgot all those things, because we kept moving forwards. All owners and clubs will make bad decisions, and it doesn't take many to make a club crumble very quickly. There is a reason why no club has ever kept up those kind of performance levels of our size. What we did was keep striving to get better and if mistakes were made, we attempted to correct them. We need to correct our mistakes and learn from them, invest in the right areas. It's not impossible to turn things around, be we need to admit out mistakes and if certain people have contributed more to our issues, they need replacing, whoever that might be.

Only Murders In The Building - Disney + Just finished season one and enjoyed it. Steve Martin and Martin Short are brilliant in it; Short's character especially was hilarious, next to Steve Martin's straight-man act. Steve Martin looks and acts a little different to how he did 40 years ago, I can't believe he's not in more stuff since his peak.

I do wonder, if they seem so great at acting because it's another language and we have absolutely no idea what they are saying or how they are saying it. They could be as wooden as fook for all I know

FFP seems to be a forever changing goal post, so it's hard to predict. We have one season of big parachute payments left, after that huge cloth cutting is needed. But after a few years, finances will be back under control, and we'll be one of the largest clubs in the league, with one of the largest budgets.

If we don't go up, it's going to be hard. But if we do go up, we won't be under embargo. We'll have lost a large number of high-earners, we'll be able to pocket the money, due to massively reduced wages and everything will be back on an even keel. We might end up getting relegated, but can happen anyway. At least we come down with finances back under control and a few years of parachute payments to play with again.

I don't think anyone wants a wild west siutation, just for them to be allowed to spend if they want, but with it underwritten by them, and ring fenced. Like most billionaires, the money is tied up in assets, there are few that are cash rich unless they've basically sold a large chunk of their shareholding. Loans are used by billionaires and mega rich companiues all the time. Apple have cash in hand of $70b, but still have borrowed $100b+. It's just an easy way to finance things, over time. Suggesting there is something untoward there isn't fair IMO. We are already blown out of the water, it's not going to suddenly become vastly different if owners need to use their own money rather than loans, becuase there is little apetite by rich peope to waste their money. Ours have pumped in more personally than most others have.

That's not the point. If Whelen submits a plan to Top that keeps us within FFP, and he says "well don't worry about the money, we want to compete", the problem isn't Susan Whelan it's Top. If Top has handed the reigns entirely to Rudkin, and he doesn't need to sign anything off, then the problem is Rudkin, along with Top not overseeing his own company. Someone has signed off hundreds of millions of pounds of losses, that's highly unlikely to be John Rudkin, a man who isn't even on the board. And it's also unlikely to be Susan Whelan. That's going to be Top and KP signing it off, or they've signed off a deeply flawed plan. So no, we don't know who does what, who says what, who protests or warns of issues etc. Only those in the club do, and that's why I said KP either need to hold their hands up, or hold people accountable.

As I've always argued, we don't know who did what, or made what decision. Ultimately it's KP's club, they or Top either hold their hands up and say x, y, z was my decision, I was wrong. Or, if the blame is on others, then there needs to be consequences. There is absolutely no point in saying sack x person, if the person above them is dictating how the club is run, or what gambles are taken. Becuase it will never change.

I think it's crossroads time, there has been some real negligence around the club. Who takes what proportion of the blame, we'll never know. What we need now is firstly to get to grips with the finances, no matter how painful short term. We simply can't go on making those sorts of losses, and gambling that things will carry on like they generally have done (success on the pitch and finding gems to sell). KP need to show their commitment and take on all the loans we have currently. Write off more debt of thier own. Invest in top class scouting and youth production for the long term. Chucking money about is a one way ticket to more problems, because they are never going to upset the status quo now. We have to try and do it naturally. There is no white knight coming in to change hands with them any time soon, so they need to know people aren't happy with how it's going. I don't even mean on the pitch, clubs like us will ALWAYS have ups and downs, there isn't a single club of relative size that's ever sustained it. Just get back to making competent decisions, because at the moment it's looking like Pearson was the only one ever doing so, and we rode those coat tails for a long time.

I'm flabbergasted we spent what we did in the summer knowing how much we'd lost. Especially on players that add almost zero in terms of potential value like Coady. I know getting promoted was critical, but we just look like we've gambled again.

That's why you get parachute payments of 55% this season and 45% next season.

If we finish 3rd, you'll see us jump at the chance to take 10 points this season.

I would say you plan years ahead, I think the point is we were finishing 5th, and challenging for top 4. That's when budgets were set in motion, contracts aren't a year, they are 3/4/5 years, so you commit in advance.

It's all very well them saying they were budgeting for x, y, z finish / position. It's not guaranteed, did nobody run a "what if" scenario. That's a flabbergasting loss considering it includes those sales.

Jesus

I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of what seemed like the vast majority on here.

Great, you have no idea if it would have made a difference though. We were still shit when he went.

How many on here we’re saying push the boat out, spend more money when going for top 4. They were screaming at the club to gamble… and now the club are idiots for doing so. Few clearly never considered the implications.

It’s transparent enough to know they have continued to write off money they’ve put in. We had all this talk before, and the. They wrote off a huge amount of money. Failing PSR doesn’t equate to being in the shit financially, so long as the backing is still there.

And they got stolen by the big teams before they sign a pro contract and we get a few quid.

Well firstly (If it's below that), then we probaby thought we had a good argument. Secondly, you can't force sales through. For Maddison, see one and two... perhaps that's the only person interested, and we wanted to get our team together asap. It's probably more anyway.

It's classed as "Significant" if it's above £15m. So it could be £15.1m, which, if say we lost a sponsor worth £11m, £5m of position money, you could account for it being down to them. Will be interesting to see our argument (although we'll only see that when they judge on it).