LCFCJohn

It would be funny to see the result of that. AI struggles with simple things so it will likely say there are 50000 or something

I mean given the number of people saying they were going to go but not now due to the fact it’s cold (I.e aren’t actually supporting the boycott), the club are in their right to use that as the official line I think.

Never get why people do anyway. It’s extortionate and it’s these people who miss a good 20 minutes of the game either side of half time, going down to queue and getting back up late. Even as a kid, for me it was chocolate and drinks from the shop down the road at the corner of Filbert Street and actually see the game!

Maybe I have not interpreted your post how you meant it but I’m not sure this is the thread to essentially say, you don’t support the boycott (as it sounds like you’d go if the weather was good), but your not supporting the team by not going but would also have not supported the boycott in putting your ticket for resale if it was not too late/you thought it would sell

Course it won’t. I think if you demographiced (not sure that is a word but you can tell what I mean), those who are devoted to KP/Aiyawatt and anti-UFS, a large amount would be boomers from the county. Being from the country of Leicestershire myself, I know the type. Big houses bought when they were cheap, easy career progression and able to go through their careers without restructured and stuff we all have to suffer now. Again, from experience, these people don’t tend to give things like food banks a second thought because they have had it easy themselves. Sorry, but of a rant but I have thought this for a while….

It feels weird to genuinely not be looking at other games in the league and rooting for results to go a certain way to suit us. Last time, we were always looking for a Leeds/Ipswich/Southampton loss. This season, nothing. We aren’t making the playoffs regardless so no interest in results up in that part of the league and I suspect we will scramble enough points together to be clear of danger at the other end. Points deduction could change that but we know we just need to get to say 60 points. Doesn’t really matter what others are doing.

It’s really not. Rotherham and Doncaster off as well. There’s no snow or frost to be seen and the ground isn’t even that hard (in the sense of a professional football club getting games on). Bizaare.

Teams are quite settled at this time of the year. If you want him to go straight in and be a regular (as looks to be the case at Chesterfield), there does have to be a gap in the side. Otherwise he’d be bench warming. But yeah, maybe there was a team like that in L1.

Odd decision on the face of it but if he helps them to promotion it will be a really positive experience for him, even if it is the same teams.

I agree with you, but you have quoted me and managed to paste something that someone else had said as that wasn’t me

Edwards (Boro to Wolves) was due to his affinity with Wolves so an emotional move so not sure you can class him in the same way. Career wise he’d have been better not going there!

Possible yeah. Although they do say ‘it’s been a lot worse and I have seen it’ which isn’t strictly true based on the point I have made. If they referred to mediocrity then yeah but they are definitely referring to low points. I also think, bar a tiny number of people, the rest of us aren’t asking or expecting to be challenging at the top of the PL again. That has been and gone and won’t ever happen for us again. We just want the club to be run sensibly, not be in what, year 3 now of threatened points deductions due to ongoing financial mismanagement, to see a plan from the club, sensible signings who want to play for the club. If that means we are a yoyo club, fine. But we are currently on a trajectory to the worst we have been in our history, quite literally as our current lowest ever placing was 1st in the 3rd tier. I agree re administration. Remember super league gate when it ‘wouldn’t be fair to punish the fans’ when deductions and punishments of that nature were muted? But if it’s not the ‘big 6’, it’s fine to just punish the fans for rogue owners. Fair play to Wednesday fans for sticking with this season. They can now see light at the end of the tunnel even if short term it seems a wasted season. We are a bit different as a huge number of our fans worship the owner over supporting the club and they deserve anything that is thrown our way due to being complicit. As someone else said, fair play as a supporter of another club, particularly a rival club, actually being able to demonstrate more knowledge of what is happening with our club and having sensible conversation around it more than most of our own fans can manage.

Was it only 1 Boxing Day we lost 1-0 at home to Rotherham as in my head, it was every year for that whole drag of seasons I do wonder how many of those lecturing on the bad times were in attendance during our only experience in the FA Cup first and second rounds. I was. And I’m sure they all were in those huge 7586 and 77912 crowds in the first round (Stevenage) and second round (Dagenham). Whilst they accuse it of being people who are not happy only starting to follow in 2016, I think it’s the other way. I reckon a lot of them claim to have supported for 50 to try and add weight to their defence of the club but only started coming when we got good but as a result, worship KP and Aiyawatt to the point we see now. We definitely got a lot of bangers on from the attendances in the 00’s to around the time we were promoted initially.

Exactly what I have said recently. As with you Ben, I am 32 and started supporting at the time of administration happening. Many of these people all claim to have supported for 50 years like a badge of honour. Nothing against older supporters who have supported for that length of time and are clued up to call what we are seeing out by the way. The highest and lowest points (whether using administration or relegation to L1 as the lowest or just 2002-2009 in general), have all happened in the last 25 years. If you have supported the club for 50 years compared to someone who has for 25, you haven’t seen any lower point than the person our age and that is fact. You have seen the odd crap season in the top fight, some more relegations and promotions between the top flight and second tier etc. All of that nothing like as bad as the 00’s and what we are walking into now.

It might just be the choice of wording and not reflective of what you actually mean. But the bolded bit, I think this is a general problem with our fan base. It seems we have 4 groups; 1. Happy clappers as you put it. Outright denial of issues with the club. 2. Attend but just present. In many cases not really helping with a positive atmosphere but also not supporting the effort to force change. 3. Attend and make voices heard 4. Refusal to attend My personal view is that both 1 and 2 are an issue. Whilst 1 is the most obvious, we also have a lot of people who are just there because. And this doesn’t add to the support. I have no objection to people attending (although I am of the view for the sake of one game, could more people support the effort) but taking generally. But at this stage, anybody who thinks things are just fine well and truly are in denial. Anybody attending should really be in point 3. And you can support the team whilst making voices heard as to the running of the club. Other clubs supporters don’t seem to have an issue whereby they conflate showing anger at owners with not supporting the team.

Neither of these things mean they didn’t rate him or that he isn’t a very good defender at this level. We definitely overpaid. But they can rate him whilst also seeing £ signs when Aiyawatt’s Leicester get in touch. Again, being better in a 3 is a case of tactical approach. Signs players suited to what you want as a club. Plenty of defenders probably work in a 2 and not a 3 but wouldn’t called not good players as a result.

For me, the statue should be in the memorial garden. Front and centre of it, but still there. It comes down again to KP being bigger than the club which shouldn’t be the case. I also agree the part of the owners, even Vichai, is overplayed. I think you see a correlation between those who make 2016 all about Vichai and KP being the same people who criticise Pearson and laugh at his name being mentioned alongside the title win, even though he wasn’t there any more. I reckon it is just many people not really having a strong understanding. They just think the owner is the one who gets credit and don’t really understand things like scouting and sports science and the role they played in that success and who set them up. Clearly none of it was set up strategically at club level (like Bloom at Brighton and Benham at Brentford) and was linked to that particular management team and you can see how it all slowly came apart from the minute they had all left after the title win.

I noticed he was free after leaving the club he joined in Kuwait was it? Yeah, solid at this level and a leader. A good pick up for them.

They did. It’s just negativity for negativities sake. As I said in a reply about the same, separate the business and the return from our perspective, with ability at this level. No Championship club like Stoke would reject £18mill or whatever it was for a central defender coming off an awful injury no matter how they rate his ability. More fool us for paying it. And like you say, on the brief times he has even been given a chance for us, he has been good. Problem is, he is perceived as a ‘lump’, a clogger who can’t play ‘football’. This is an unfair perception anyway as he is not anywhere near as bad as people suggest. But injuries aside, when he has been fit, this is why he has not really played as his face doesn’t fit with our supposed way of playing…

Stoke did rate him. He just had an awful injury there and we waved a huge fee under their noses. Separate ability as a defender from the position we were when we signed him, the fee we signed for and the injuries. Being a poor signing due to return and the situation of our club is a separate matter from his ability as a defender at this level. He was immense for Sheffield United last season when they as a great start to the season and a really strong defensive record. That record and the overall team performance when downhill when they lost Souttar and Arblaster to serious injuries at a similar time (Arblaster has only just returned to their squad in the past couple of weeks so similarly bad to Souttar). I live in Sheffield, I work with Blades fans, I have neighbours and other friends who are Blades fan and watch them a decent amount. They absolutely loved him. He was a rock for them and a club like Sheffield United pride themselves on a strong defence.

Not idea how these injuries will affect him but ability wise, Souttar is a brilliant defender at this level.

It was suspected the club had something to do with that to mute the dissent. I could imagine something similar on Monday as they will 100% be aware of this and want to quash it. As the post above yours said, Sky like any broadcaster should love a bit of drama. Therefore, if it doesn’t get mentioned and is actively brushed over like the plane, I think the is is very telling that the club will take swift action on things like squashing dissenting voices and are aware of the feeling.

Whoever Oliver is (and there may or may not have been a clue with the mention of the van and plane), if you are on here, that was excellent. Particularly the way the answer to how it would affect the players was given and how this is actually to help them. Also very fair as it wasn’t outright saying ‘get out the club’ as is the view of many of us. Very fairly, it was outlined that it is a case of put the correct structures in place or go. I would like to hear the loyalists listen to that and have a reasoned argument back but of course they wouldn’t. The only argument is if you actually think the club does have the correct structures in place and is run well. Which if you think that, it is not even a matter of option to say you are clueless!

I’ve been saying for a while administration is a certainty. I don’t know if as early as this year though. But to be honest, the sooner we can fast forward to the bottom, the quicker we can look forward so I don’t mind if it is this year rather than being prolonged. Honestly, I’m not sure when we will get to that point. Clearly it is not directly linked to PSR and FFP stuff and actually about paying creditors. That’s not to say they can’t be indirectly linked. Will the outcome of the PSR stuff cause a snowball effect that results in staff or like HMRC who I think were a big one in the Wednesday case not getting paid. Maybe!

This is exactly as I feel. For me, these fans are now doing more damage to the club than Aiyawatt and Rudkin are. It’s not just about forcing them to leave either. It has become that now but if these people could have taken their heads out their asses and put the club before their devotion to one man, maybe the fanbase could have been united in making feelings known and at least making him accountable and potentially not make some of the bad decisions they have. Essentially, through these people defending them, they are unaccountable and been given free reign to destroy everything Pearson and his team built.