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If it is not an expulsion and multi year points deduction tgen its pointless and won't act as a deterent. The punishment needs to match the gains achieved (is it 6 titles?). Otherwise what stops Newcastle thinking, we will spend what we want, tie them up in red tape and take a punishment that will affect us for a few years so we can win 6 titles?

They use to say Harvey Barnes was better when he was angry. Maybe Will is the same!

This is essentially how all systems work. The people at the top restructure and add additional layers. They then use line management to tell people what to do and blame them if it doesn't work- essentially ridding themselves of accountability. Over time they get further and further away from the technical reality of opperations, make poorer and poorer decisions and blame more and more people but themselves. They continually distract themselves with short term 'fixes' that makes them fell like they have done something and everything is going to be alright, and then are baffled with why it doesn't! They set themselves a life style, try to convince themselves and other people they are entitled to it. They use questionable former glories to convince people they are right, and then they just carry on making things worse and worse! This is how toxic organisational cultures develop!!! Needs someone prepared to get close to the problems, name them for what they are, chase out the personal life style merchants and reset with a team of hard working, hungry and talented people. Instead we just do the same thing over and over and are surprised that we just get worse and worse. Baffling!!!

It is ridiculous the amount of defensive mistakes we make. We need to put together a hybrid that doesn't involve passing it at the back. We also need not to be playing players like luke thomas.

That was last year. 😭 We are just so ridiculous!

Would it really be that hard to prove (a genuine question). Surely a view of their performance before they cheated and their perfomance after would show the disparity? Also no other club the size if man city originally achieved such domanance after large investment? (Arguably chelsea but they were prior to this, and liverpool but they started from a much higher base). They could probably take the average pace of revenue growth for similar clubs to provide a benchmark?

Ever feel you’ve been cheated? Consequences could be profound after Manchester City guilty verdict | Manchester City | The Guardian This is a great article and does raise questions about are the bounds of the advantaged received limited to the years of the breachs? Could get very messy! 'There are knock-on effects to the years after the period in question. Leicester, for instance, narrowly missed out on Champions League qualification in 2020 and 2021. Would they have qualified had City, who finished above them, not been artificially juiced? Had they played in the Champions League then, would they be in the mess they are in now? Then there are the less direct consequences: what might it have meant for a club’s – or a manager’s or a player’s – global reputation and thus their capacity to generate commercial income, had they won the league or remained in the Premier League for a further season?'

On reflection, although it has taken a very long time at least the authorities have made the charge. The precedent abroad has been relegation (Juventus and Rangers) and stripping of titles (Juventus). I would expect a similar sanction to be considered due to the size of the breaches and the fact that these breaches have been the stepping stone for man city to become an elite club. Its important to consider the position of man city at the start of these charges and the impact of their success in attracting players! Interesting times indeed!

I feel this was the reaction to us winning it! It became a joke because we won it! I remember those ridiculous instructions to punishing any holding from corners after we won the league which lasted about 6 weeks until they realised we weren't going to do very well that season!

The rules have ruined football, it feels like a game decided by business people now and not about assembling the best teams. They need to lift these ridiculous rules that the biggest clubs work around, and they need to introduce a deposit fund against spending- you can spend what you want but you need to be able to demonstrate you can pay the contracts of all the players you buy fully- if this is not demonstrated you are docked points. A redistribution of these ludicrous fees paid.

If it holds it will set a precedent for sure. If it is out of line with the punishments given for other clubs the premier league will be challenged. If found guilty any club who missed out by one place for anything in the affected seasons will likely claim against them including champions league qualification, European qualification, relegation- that in itself might be 24 claims and some of those very large! It looks like if the appeal is not successful it is going to be a real mess!

He does feel like the best cb for this system I would say. 😊

Its a fair point. I just don't like how the premier league academies chew through players now. He is as likely to drift into obscurity at any one of the big teams.

If Dortmund are genuinely interested he needs to go there and we need to insert as high a sell on clause as possible. Premier league teams just chew through youth players and so few ever make it.

Its the first step and hopefully build some confidence. The new players look like they might bring something given time. Playing out from the back is our issue and a weakness from crosses later in the game. I think we are lucky we have 2 away games in a row, gives us a chance at barnsley next week to get some momentum which hopefully we can bring back home.