Guest Bilo Posted 6 April 2015 Posted 6 April 2015 I'd have Politics on the curriculum in some guise - but it needs to be taught well. I'd like it as a GCSE option as a Humanities subject alongside History, Geography and RE.
The Longstop Posted 6 April 2015 Posted 6 April 2015 It's notable that Labour's vote share is falling among the young but UKIP's is rising. Might this have something to do with the amount of publicity UKIP are receiving? UKIP are taking from Old Labour voters and the poorest in society in general, because Labour sold them out when John Smith died (read the blog). But UKIPs support is overwhelmingly from the 50+ age category and they are highly unpopular among young voters. Any poll with age stats included from the last 5-10 years will back that up.
Guest Bilo Posted 6 April 2015 Posted 6 April 2015 I'm actually getting bored now. You're so blinkered that you won't even accept your own evidence that shows that UKIP's stock has risen and is continuing to rise among young voters. That's without taking into account the fact that UKIP are fielding the youngest candidate, 22 year old Robin Hunter-Clarke, in the elections. My last word to you.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 Forcing people to vote, is totally undemocratic. I would like to see all people vote, but not forced to.
Guest Bilo Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 Forcing people to vote, is totally undemocratic. I would like to see all people vote, but not forced to. For the first time ever, I agree with you.
Guest Bilo Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 More young people will vote if you can do it online I can see this happening in the future - but I'm not sure how they'd get around the security issues of hacking and potential corruption, not to mention software/hardware issues that could occur. John Bercow has already raised the idea. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/26/john-bercow-online-voting-2020-general-election
Benji Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 It's all been said already but it's quite simple to me - you don't spend generations fighting to secure the freedom of your people to then force them to exercise such ''freedom'' in a particular way.
1993fox Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 You're absolutely clueless if you think there's no difference. Study after study, poll after poll, the youth start left wing then gradually come over to the right as they go through their 'political journey'. Or 'start paying taxes' in plain English. As you love a link so much here's one showing Greens level with Tories among young voters, Greens don't register among older voters and Tories dominate. You can see exactly the opposite trend with UKIP (quote Matthew Goodwin if you need stats for that one). https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/01/13/greens-tied-conservatives-among-young-people/ Thank you. Point made, case closed. No surprise it's a centre-left group coming up with this idea: the younger the voters, the lefter the results will come out to be. Simples.
ozleicester Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 Would be better if the headline was... Tanks force young people to think, vote.
Guest Bilo Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 Thank you. Point made, case closed. No surprise it's a centre-left group coming up with this idea: the younger the voters, the lefter the results will come out to be. Simples. You realise that the only person backing you is a troll, right?
ithuriel Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 If they want peeps to vote perhaps they should look at modern politics where there is no trust in politicians since they constantly bullshit. How can you vote for someone if they have no integrity or something if you do not actually have any truly credible information. Perhaps they should start to tell the truth, unpalatable as that may be.
Guest Bilo Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 The problem is that a lot of young people aren't failing to turn up at polling stations because they're making a stand - they're not turning up because they have no knowledge of or interest in politics.
Webbo Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 The problem is that a lot of young people aren't failing to turn up at polling stations because they're making a stand - they're not turning up because they have no knowledge of or interest in politics. This is correct.
Rincewind Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 Young voters are more right wing than they were in my youth. This is mainly post Thatcher when Labour moved further to the right leaving very little difference between the main parties. As far as changing views as you get older, I have not changed mine much. I was born into a working class family and my views have reflected that. I shall not defect.
ADK Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 You don't teach politics. Politics is about the will of the public, you can learn about political history but it's about what you believe yourself. If voting has declined then there must be a reason for this. I can't believe that kids in the 1970's were more educated. Perhaps we have simply become apathetic as a society. A large proportion simply do not care if we elect a Labour or a Conservative government to the point they aren't going to vote.
Guest Bilo Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 You don't teach politics. Politics is about the will of the public, you can learn about political history but it's about what you believe yourself. If voting has declined then there must be a reason for this. I can't believe that kids in the 1970's were more educated. Perhaps we have simply become apathetic as a society. A large proportion simply do not care if we elect a Labour or a Conservative government to the point they aren't going to vote. You can learn about politics, although it's purely an A Level at the moment. Here's an exam paper. http://filestore.aqa.org.uk/subjects/AQA-GOVP1-QP-JUN13.PDF You can see that the questions are politically neutral, but do look at specific parties and the issues surrounding them. It's actually a pretty broad curriculum. The questions are more about the political process and the changing nature of politics than anything else. I see little reason why this couldn't potentially be simplified and restructured into a GCSE, especially if there are long term plans to reduce the voting age to 16.
Rincewind Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 You don't teach politics. Politics is about the will of the public, you can learn about political history but it's about what you believe yourself. If voting has declined then there must be a reason for this. I can't believe that kids in the 1970's were more educated. Perhaps we have simply become apathetic as a society. A large proportion simply do not care if we elect a Labour or a Conservative government to the point they aren't going to vote. Pretty much agree. I just find a lot of politicians are out of touch with the majority of people. Politics is not a vocation it is a career nowadays. I watched a video of Dennis Skinner giving a speech the other day. Whether you like him or not he was passionate about what he was saying. He still remembers his roots and where he came from. He is one of the last of his kind.
bovril Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 I imagine it's the same the world over. We live in quite a post-ideological society. People live pretty comfortably in most democracies and can simply move elsewhere if they don't feel their standard of life is good enough, they certainly don't believe any political party will make it better.
MooseBreath Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 If life is generally good, which it is for young people in this country, then people aren't motivated by the prospect of change. If you want young people to vote, stick the greens in charge for a couple of years. The country will go to shit, and young people will flock to the polling booths. As it is, whatever happens, life will be pretty good for the young, so they don't need to care about voting.
1993fox Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 As it is, whatever happens, life will be pretty good for the young, so they don't need to care about voting. u havin a giggle m8?
ADK Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 You can learn about politics, although it's purely an A Level at the moment. Here's an exam paper. http://filestore.aqa.org.uk/subjects/AQA-GOVP1-QP-JUN13.PDF You can see that the questions are politically neutral, but do look at specific parties and the issues surrounding them. It's actually a pretty broad curriculum. The questions are more about the political process and the changing nature of politics than anything else. I see little reason why this couldn't potentially be simplified and restructured into a GCSE, especially if there are long term plans to reduce the voting age to 16. I am aware there is a politics A-Level but surely people that study that are interested in Politics already?
MooseBreath Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 u havin a giggle m8? No, life is pretty good for the young in this country. They might not realise it yet, but they will in time.
Jon the Hat Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 No, life is pretty good for the young in this country. They might not realise it yet, but they will in time. Its the 30 somethings who are ****ed.
Guest Bilo Posted 7 April 2015 Posted 7 April 2015 I am aware there is a politics A-Level but surely people that study that are interested in Politics already? Of course, but how do you foster that interest from an early age?
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