Police in America

[Jaspa]

To a degree that twat lamby is right, there is correlation between race and crimes such as drugs and arms dealing but they are normally found in predominately black areas, but that needless to say doe NOT mean the police can go around shooting people BECAUSE of race.

 

there was another video a couple weeks back, police asked a guy to stop, he was just jogging away, and the police man shot him SEVEN times in the back, then went over to arrest him and planted a taser on him and told the guys on the radio "he stole my tazer"

There is something seriously wrong behind the scenes in american police, you would have thought with all of this going on in the press they would be less likely to be trigger happy, not allow more and more cases emerge! 

 

Where do you think these drugs come from? Who is selling these things in bulk and making the lions share of the money? Who is getting their dealing done behind closed doors, rarely getting caught and having the money to get out of the shit when it gets on them. Drugs dont just exist on the street level and things work how they do for a reason, this is big business and if you think your average Trayquacious, Chad or Devonte are running away with the big money you'd be a fool. 'Illegal' non pharmaceutical drugs are mostly produced, controlled and exported by the countries to the south of the US through cartels and crooked authorities, race doesn't really come into it on the street or authoritative level, sellers are sellers and addicts are addicts. The black market is one of the; if not the biggest businesses in the world, the stuff we see on the bottom is a symptom of the top more so than visa versa

 

Growing up watching 'Armed and Dangerous', 'Worlds Wildest Police Pursuits' and the like, you can see what is wrong most of the time, yet in their interviews after P.I.T manoeuvring someone off a busy road or pumping them with lead for running theyre completely straight faced as if its all part of their normal procedure .  .  . and this is the shit that makes it onto TV!

 

Internet is changing the game of course and hopefully this will lead to some sanity developing. I understand these police are in huge danger doing what they do and have lost colleagues in a flash, that is mostly a societal problem in the amount of accessible lethal weapons around, more needs to be done to curb that whist keeping the American idea of .50cal freedom, but the police dont help themselves and rightly need to look at changes pronto.

 

Race issues in America are a whole different mind-fvck and too complicated for me atm, it does grind me the amount of times you hear race brung up by people as being a factor when it really shouldnt (In media )

[Babylon]

Given the figures, there is a real race issue at hand and on this occasion (imo) the media is justified in exposing it.

 

A 2002 study in the American Journal of Public Health found that the death rate due to legal intervention was more than three times higher for blacks than for whites in the period from 1988 to 1997.

 

The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police.

 

I think you need to be careful with stats like that, as I'm sure there will also be stats to show that certain races are involved in certain violent crimes more than others. Blacks in the US are twice as likely to suffer a fire arm related death compared to whites, so it's clear there is more of an issue with violent gun crime with that demographic.

 

I think there is more to it that just a case of the police being "racist". First and foremost they are far too quick to pull the trigger over there, the gun is now used as an aid to stopping a suspect rather than protection, that's for blacks and whites alike.

 

I'm sure there is an element of racism involved, you'd be a fool not to think that. But if the police are used to dealing with a much higher percentage of violent crime and gun crime with the black population I think it might make any policeman a bit more anxious than when dealing with a white person. So I'd say the issue of fear is as much to blame as racism, and that's a hard thing to tackle.

[Darkon84]

I think you need to be careful with stats like that, as I'm sure there will also be stats to show that certain races are involved in certain violent crimes more than others. Blacks in the US are twice as likely to suffer a fire arm related death compared to whites, so it's clear there is more of an issue with violent gun crime with that demographic.

 

I think there is more to it that just a case of the police being "racist". First and foremost they are far too quick to pull the trigger over there, the gun is now used as an aid to stopping a suspect rather than protection, that's for blacks and whites alike.

 

I'm sure there is an element of racism involved, you'd be a fool not to think that. But if the police are used to dealing with a much higher percentage of violent crime and gun crime with the black population I think it might make any policeman a bit more anxious than when dealing with a white person. So I'd say the issue of fear is as much to blame as racism, and that's a hard thing to tackle.

 

Get out of here and back to the Football forum! You have no place here with your sensible, considered posts!

[MooseBreath]

Given the figures, there is a real race issue at hand and on this occasion (imo) the media is justified in exposing it.

A 2002 study in the American Journal of Public Health found that the death rate due to legal intervention was more than three times higher for blacks than for whites in the period from 1988 to 1997.

Not defending what happens in the states, but the rate of black people in jail is also seven times higher than it is for whites. So if we can take incarceration statistics as a proxy for the amount of crime proven to be committed by race then the rate you've quoted actually makes it look as though police are shooting a disproportionately high number of whites.

There are probably racial factors at play that create the situations that cause such a disproportionate amount of crime to be committed by blacks in the first place, but if you're looking at police on the street then logically they're dealing with a much higher rate of black criminals, therefore the higher rate of black shooting makes sense.

That's what the cold hard stats have to say, at least.

I think the issue here is a culture of trigger happy cops more than it is of racism.

[Merging Cultures]

Not defending what happens in the states, but the rate of black people in jail is also seven times higher than it is for whites. So if we can take incarceration statistics as a proxy for the amount of crime proven to be committed by race then the rate you've quoted actually makes it look as though police are shooting a disproportionately high number of whites.

There are probably racial factors at play that create the situations that cause such a disproportionate amount of crime to be committed by blacks in the first place, but if you're looking at police on the street then logically they're dealing with a much higher rate of black criminals, therefore the higher rate of black shooting makes sense.

That's what the cold hard stats have to say, at least.

I think the issue here is a culture of trigger happy cops more than it is of racism.

 

I believe there is evidence that Blacks are incarcerated at higher rates for the same crimes.

 

I'll dig out the details later, or just watch this

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Also, there is concern that Blacks are being locked up due to not being able to pay fines.

 

(not a statistical analysis but more John Oliver Municipal Violations

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Blacks tend to be more likely to be poor (27.4% in 2010, compared to 9.9% non-hispanic whites, National Poverty Center), no need to argue why.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

The racial divide is created by the media, latched on to by those that read too far in to it.

 

It's a shame; accidents happen, and it's not unusual for there to be police shootings which end up in court // killing those that don't deserve to die, of both colours.

I've seen examples of black cops shooting white offenders, never really makes the news, and if so - wouldn't be labelled "black cop shoots white man."

This.

[Merging Cultures]

The racial divide is created by the media, latched on to by those that read too far in to it.

 

It's a shame; accidents happen, and it's not unusual for there to be police shootings which end up in court // killing those that don't deserve to die, of both colours.

I've seen examples of black cops shooting white offenders, never really makes the news, and if so - wouldn't be labelled "black cop shoots white man."

 

This.

 

What? Except that America is extremely segregated and people really do feel the racial divide.

[MPH]

 

What? Except that America is extremely segregated and people really do feel the racial divide.

 

The segregation in America really can work both ways..... After dropping someone off after church once i had bricks thrown at my car and was shouted at. The clean version basically was that i don't belong in this area... one of the young men even lifted his shirt to show me the gun he was carrying...

[MPH]

I think what frustrates alot of the police i know is that they get the 'racist card' thrown at them so often. One was responding to a shop lifting call from a store. The women decides to shout at everyone that this cop is being racist ( the store security are the ones who detained her. she WAS shop lifting). Next thing he knows several other people are shouting obsceneties at him for being racist. He said that he gets the racist card thrown at him several times a week.

They feel like they cant do anything right. It feels to them that a whole police force are being demonized over the perceieved actions of a few... and the media are playing a part in it.

[Merging Cultures]

 The segregation in America really can work both ways..... After dropping someone off after church once i had bricks thrown at my car and was shouted at. The clean version basically was that i don't belong in this area... one of the young men even lifted his shirt to show me the gun he was carrying...

 

I know what you mean. I've been hassled enough when I was in Baltimore. My wife was told she needed to be with a real man.

[Sir Fynwy]

The segregation in America really can work both ways..... After dropping someone off after church once i had bricks thrown at my car and was shouted at. The clean version basically was that i don't belong in this area... one of the young men even lifted his shirt to show me the gun he was carrying...

I once got lost (pre-GPS era) driving from Washington DC to Baltimore Airport and dove through some areas I really shouldn't have been anywhere near, even in a car it was very intimidating.

[Merging Cultures]

I think what frustrates alot of the police i know is that they get the 'racist card' thrown at them so often. One was responding to a shop lifting call from a store. The women decides to shout at everyone that this cop is being racist ( the store security are the ones who detained her. she WAS shop lifting). Next thing he knows several other people are shouting obsceneties at him for being racist. He said that he gets the racist card thrown at him several times a week.

They feel like they cant do anything right. It feels to them that a whole police force are being demonized over the perceieved actions of a few... and the media are playing a part in it.

 

Situations like that are ridiculous. I am sure for a lot of people they do feel like the police are all racist, due to ACTUAL (not perceived) actions of a few. But that programme about what we don't say about race that is true (or whatever it was), said it well, that often profiling is effective. However, lots of people on here don't trust the police, and look at all the videos of white guys open carrying to challenge police, so I think a lack of trust is as much a symptom of our time as much as a race issue.

 

Having said that, in America Blacks are incarcerated at a higher rate than Whites for the same crimes and they have a higher rate of being shot by the police. So, there is some bias in the system.

[MPH]

 

I once got lost (pre-GPS era) driving from Washington DC to Baltimore Airport and dove through some areas I really shouldn't have been anywhere near, even in a car it was very intimidating.

 

Without wishing to start a whole new debate extreme poverty is often the underlying issue there, not the colour of anyones skin... evemn if it does manifest itself in ugly ways...

[MPH]

 

Situations like that are ridiculous. I am sure for a lot of people they do feel like the police are all racist, due to ACTUAL (not perceived) actions of a few. But that programme about what we don't say about race that is true (or whatever it was), said it well, that often profiling is effective. However, lots of people on here don't trust the police, and look at all the videos of white guys open carrying to challenge police, so I think a lack of trust is as much a symptom of our time as much as a race issue.

 

Having said that, in America Blacks are incarcerated at a higher rate than Whites for the same crimes and they have a higher rate of being shot by the police. So, there is some bias in the system.

 

As mentioned above the issue can often be down to that person being from an area of extreme poverty, qhich often leads to a higher crime rate in that area, their skin colour is not the problem.

I do know a cop who is a little bit racist. He works at the local jail. He said he processed 25 sex offenders into the jail one saturday and all 25 of them were either black or hispanic.... Now i feel thats linked the the point i just mentioned but that could in part explain the last half of your last sentance...

[Merging Cultures]

As mentioned above the issue can often be down to that person being from an area of extreme poverty, qhich often leads to a higher crime rate in that area, their skin colour is not the problem.

I do know a cop who is a little bit racist. He works at the local jail. He said he processed 25 sex offenders into the jail one saturday and all 25 of them were either black or hispanic.... Now i feel thats linked the the point i just mentioned but that could in part explain the last half of your last sentance...

Blacks are more likely to be poor than non-hispanic Whites (27% v 9%). And yes, class is a big issue in the US.

Not sure what you mean about the processing of sex offenders. Are you saying it's odd there are no white people being booked in when it is likely there were some involved?

[Sir Fynwy]

Without wishing to start a whole new debate extreme poverty is often the underlying issue there, not the colour of anyones skin... evemn if it does manifest itself in ugly ways...

I didn't mention race or colour, a ghetto is a ghetto whoever lives there

[Merging Cultures]

I didn't mention race or colour, a ghetto is a ghetto whoever lives there

The sketchy white areas in those parts are Hampden and Dundalk, but they are too far from DC and the Airport.

[MPH]

 

Blacks are more likely to be poor than non-hispanic Whites (27% v 9%). And yes, class is a big issue in the US.

Not sure what you mean about the processing of sex offenders. Are you saying it's odd there are no white people being booked in when it is likely there were some involved?

 I agree completely with this... and i feel that this is a much better explanation for a crime statistic that someones skin colur.

But it could also help to explain why more blacks a shot by white officers than anything else. Remember... white male officers make up the mmajority of the police force and black males ( IMO for reasons just mentioned) make up the majority of thos arrested.

[Sir Fynwy]

The sketchy white areas in those parts are Hampden and Dundalk, but they are too far from DC and the Airport.

The point was I didn't mention race but MPH decided to comment about race, anyway you have no clue how lost I can get

[Merging Cultures]

I agree completely with this... and i feel that this is a much better explanation for a crime statistic that someones skin colur.

But it could also help to explain why more blacks a shot by white officers than anything else. Remember... white male officers make up the mmajority of the police force and black males ( IMO for reasons just mentioned) make up the majority of thos arrested.

I agree.

Then you have to look at the reasons behind why Blacks are poorer. Poor inner city education, poor transportation links, poor healthcare etc. Very much prevents the poor (disproportionately Black) from taking steps out of poverty. The American dream died along time ago for a lot of people. Some can do it, but they are the exception rather than the rule now.

Race is also a factor in why Blacks are historically poorer. That is undeniable.

[Rincewind]

In the poorer areas I would not think there is so much racial tension or prejudice.

[DennisNedry]

To be fair this incident doesn't sound racially motivated.

[Lamby]

To be fair this incident doesn't sound racially motivated.

 

He was seen carrying a gun by police and was running away from them, so what other alternatives were there. Finally someone is on my wavelength here.

[Rincewind]

Was he found with a gun? Running away from them? Shot in the back several times.

[Lamby]

Was he found with a gun? Running away from them? Shot in the back several times.

 

If he was seen with a gun earlier they can't take any chances can they?