Chances Created - A Comparison

[Haydos]

Not disagreeing with the above or anything but 'chances created' can be quite subjective depending on the point being made.

 

It's defined as a pass that leads to a effort on goal.

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

Dunno about the comparison, comparing our wingers to a host of number 10's, not really a fair comparison imo.

[Haydos]

Dunno about the comparison, comparing our wingers to a host of number 10's, not really a fair comparison imo.

Not really. There's not many top teams with out and out wingers, the players I have are mostly played wide. Can have a look at Cuadrado and Willian if you want, I bet they're not up there.

[NewburyFox]

Interesting reading.

 

Mahrez plays some excellent 'Hollywood' through-passes to the strikers - but a lot of these still leave the striker with a lot to do.

 

By contrast, Albrighton slings really dangerous balls into the box which lead to really clear-cut chances.

 

So, Mahrez looks a better player but Albrighton's style of play is more effective.

 

I think that's harsh on Mahrez - he should have a several more assists when the striker has missed a "clear-cut" chance.

 

Off the top of my head, Schlupp home to Everton, Nuge at Chelsea, Ulloa home to Arsenal and Spurs, Vardy at QPR (more than one), even Ulloa home to Newcastle were all fantastic chances which Mahrez put on a plate for them. He's been extremely unfortunate that his assists stats aren't much higher than they are now. 

 

Right now Albrighton is in much better form and deserves the RM spot, particularly in this formation where I wouldn't trust Mahrez to defend anyway, but I think Mahrez will grow into the free role he was given against Newcastle. I much prefer him there to Drinkwater, who naturally makes it a 3 man centre midfield rather than a 3-4-1-2.

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

Not really. There's not many top teams with out and out wingers, the players I have are mostly played wide. Can have a look at Cuadrado and Willian if you want, I bet they're not up there.

 

Not dissing you mate, fair play for making the thread and taking the time to compare etc, just not sure a player like Vardy being compared to Cazorla or Silva in this way is a particularly fair one on Vardy, but then again chances are every stat players that good have will be better than all of Vardys whatever they are (except for pace, that beautiful raw pace)

I think that's harsh on Mahrez - he should have a several more assists when the striker has missed a "clear-cut" chance.

 

Off the top of my head, Schlupp home to Everton, Nuge at Chelsea, Ulloa home to Arsenal and Spurs, Vardy at QPR (more than one), even Ulloa home to Newcastle were all fantastic chances which Mahrez put on a plate for them. He's been extremely unfortunate that his assists stats aren't much higher than they are now. 

 

Right now Albrighton is in much better form and deserves the RM spot, particularly in this formation where I wouldn't trust Mahrez to defend anyway, but I think Mahrez will grow into the free role he was given against Newcastle. I much prefer him there to Drinkwater, who naturally makes it a 3 man centre midfield rather than a 3-4-1-2.

 

Agree with all of that. Mahrez this season is one of the best examples of why assist stats are a joke.

[Haydos]

Not dissing you mate, fair play for making the thread and taking the time to compare etc, just not sure a player like Vardy being compared to Cazorla or Silva in this way is a particularly fair one on Vardy, but then again chances are every stat players that good have will be better than all of Vardys whatever they are (except for pace, that beautiful raw pace)

Agree with all of that. Mahrez this season is one of the best examples of why assist stats are a joke.

No worries, I didn't really make it clear, I just threw a few of our attacking players in there for reference to Albrighton mainly. I also realised there were more 10's than there should be, hence wider players such as Navas, Sterling and Sanchez are at the end.

It was a bit of a pain getting the data otherwise I'd have grabbed a couple of wingers from each team.

[Haydos]

I think that's harsh on Mahrez - he should have a several more assists when the striker has missed a "clear-cut" chance.

Off the top of my head, Schlupp home to Everton, Nuge at Chelsea, Ulloa home to Arsenal and Spurs, Vardy at QPR (more than one), even Ulloa home to Newcastle were all fantastic chances which Mahrez put on a plate for them. He's been extremely unfortunate that his assists stats aren't much higher than they are now.

Right now Albrighton is in much better form and deserves the RM spot, particularly in this formation where I wouldn't trust Mahrez to defend anyway, but I think Mahrez will grow into the free role he was given against Newcastle. I much prefer him there to Drinkwater, who naturally makes it a 3 man centre midfield rather than a 3-4-1-2.

That's why I like the chances created stat in addition to assists. It still doesn't represent the quality of the chance created by averaged our over a season the cream does rise to the top.

[Guest Col city fan]

Have a look on Squawker mate, it's a bit of a pain because you have to use that for the chances created and get up transfermarkt for the minutes played. You can just select each player and have a gander though, pretty straightforward.

it don't make great reading for any of our players does it?

[Gerard]

Dunno about the comparison, comparing our wingers to a host of number 10's, not really a fair comparison imo.

 

No it's not a fair comparison and he's not even a winger, he's a wing back and has more responsibilities than the other players on that list.

 

The only negative thing I would have to say about that list is Albrighton's is a small sample size which equates to just over eight full games. Also the players on that list have scored quite a few goals between them which they don't get any credit for on this list.

 

Also I'm unaware of what exactly constitutes a "created chance" and the quality of Albrighton's to everyone else's but he's certainly in illustrious company. Ulloa has certainly benefited from more crosses into the box. I've tided it up a bit so it's in order.

 

Minutes per chance created

Navas - 28.5

Silva - 28.9

Fabregas - 30.7

Hazard - 34.7

Albrighton - 36.2 (21 in 761 mins)

Sanchez - 36.9

Cazorla - 37.3

Sterling - 40.9

Mata - 47.6

[Guest Col city fan]

I think these stats make interesting reading. And an eye opener (for some).

The 'defensive actions' set of stats is illuminating. And shows just how much work Wes Morgan has had to do and how much defensive work our midfield players haven't done.

No shock there.

Cue 'damn lies' etc.

[shen]

I think these stats make interesting reading. And an eye opener (for some).

The 'defensive actions' set of stats is illuminating. And shows just how much work Wes Morgan has had to do and how much defensive work our midfield players haven't done.

No shock there.

Cue 'damn lies' etc.

 

...and wide players and strikers! They all defend together, don't they?

I'm sure Morgan gets high 'stats' because he throws himself at everything, doesn't he?

Besides, most bottom-half teams will have more saves by their goalkeepers, more blocks and clearances from their centerhalves, simply because they are inferior to the teams in the top half.

[Guest]

I think these stats make interesting reading. And an eye opener (for some).

The 'defensive actions' set of stats is illuminating. And shows just how much work Wes Morgan has had to do and how much defensive work our midfield players haven't done.

No shock there.

Cue 'damn lies' etc.

 

Some will never accept the facts. After all how many are saying one of our midfielders is our player of the month yet the independant prem league have put Vardy and Kasper up for league best player.

[Guest Col city fan]

...and wide players and strikers! They all defend together, don't they?

I'm sure Morgan gets high 'stats' because he throws himself at everything, doesn't he?

Besides, most bottom-half teams will have more saves by their goalkeepers, more blocks and clearances from their centerhalves, simply because they are inferior to the teams in the top half.

Absolutely.

I've banged on all season about 'defending as a team'.

However, I don't expect my strikers or wingers to be blocking as many shots as I do my central midfielders or my defenders.

If these stats are anything to go by, far from Wes being 'Calamity Morgan' it's a bloody good job he's put his body in front of so many shots! He's been peppered with them!

Still, some of us knew that anyway.

[Fox Ulike]

I think that's harsh on Mahrez - he should have a several more assists when the striker has missed a "clear-cut" chance.

 

Off the top of my head, Schlupp home to Everton, Nuge at Chelsea, Ulloa home to Arsenal and Spurs, Vardy at QPR (more than one), even Ulloa home to Newcastle were all fantastic chances which Mahrez put on a plate for them. He's been extremely unfortunate that his assists stats aren't much higher than they are now. 

 

Right now Albrighton is in much better form and deserves the RM spot, particularly in this formation where I wouldn't trust Mahrez to defend anyway, but I think Mahrez will grow into the free role he was given against Newcastle. I much prefer him there to Drinkwater, who naturally makes it a 3 man centre midfield rather than a 3-4-1-2.

 

I’m thinking more of the sort of chance Albrighton created for Vardy at Burnley. That is what you call ‘on a plate’!

 

It’s not a dig at Mahrez who I acknowledge is a fantastic player. If Mahrez was playing for Man United then more of the chances he has created would have been turned into goals. But he’s playing with Schlupp and Nugent not Di Maria and Rooney! So the problem might be that Mahrez is simply too good for his team mates: His reaction to Nuge’s miss at Chelsea suggests he might think so too.

 

I wasn’t too impressed with him in the free role against Newcastle though. Held onto the ball too long and didn’t have a big impact. I’d hope to see Drinky back in the team for the Southampton game.

 

Mahrez should come more to the fore next season (if if IF we stay up).

[MC Prussian]

Some will never accept the facts. After all how many are saying one of our midfielders is our player of the month yet the independant prem league have put Vardy and Kasper up for league best player.

... for the month of April.

[cc_star]

I’m thinking more of the sort of chance Albrighton created for Vardy at Burnley. That is what you call ‘on a plate’!

 

It’s not a dig at Mahrez who I acknowledge is a fantastic player. If Mahrez was playing for Man United then more of the chances he has created would have been turned into goals. But he’s playing with Schlupp and Nugent not Di Maria and Rooney! So the problem might be that Mahrez is simply too good for his team mates: His reaction to Nuge’s miss at Chelsea suggests he might think so too.

 

I wasn’t too impressed with him in the free role against Newcastle though. Held onto the ball too long and didn’t have a big impact. I’d hope to see Drinky back in the team for the Southampton game.

 

Mahrez should come more to the fore next season (if if IF we stay up).

 

Schlupp > Di Maria 

 

and with Falcao up front, I don't think he'd fair much better

[Will1981]

From Squawka

 

Player - Games - Key Passes - Assists

 

 

Mahrez -  27 - 36 - 3

 

James - 26 - 35 - 1

 

Cambiasso -  28 - 31 - 1

 

Ulloa -  34 - 30 - 2

 

Vardy - 31 - 24 - 7

 

Schlupp -  29 - 21 - 1

 

Nugent - 28 - 19 - 1

 

Albrighton - 15 - 18 - 3

 

De Laet - 25 - 10 - 2

 

Drinkwater - 20 - 9 - 0

 

Konchesky - 26 - 7 - 1

 

Kramaric - 11 - 6 - 0 

 

Wasly - 22 - 5 - 1

 

Morgan - 34 - 4 - 1

 

Simpson - 14 - 4 - 0

 

Hammond - 11 - 4 - 0

 

King - 22 - 3 - 0

 

Schmeichel - 21 - 2 - 0

 

Knochaert - 9 - 2 - 0

[Babylon]

Another thread being highjacked by certain people trying to turn it into a "Cambiasso doesn't do this" thread. F'ing pathetic.

[Guest Col city fan]

Another thread being highjacked by certain people trying to turn it into a "Cambiasso doesn't do this" thread. F'ing pathetic.

Wonder if you'll be banned for such a comment?

Doubt it..

[Guest]

... for the month of April.

That's what I was talking about. didn't you see our thread on the same?

[Guest]

Another thread being highjacked by certain people trying to turn it into a "Cambiasso doesn't do this" thread. F'ing pathetic.

 

Surely a thread about chances created should be talking about Cambiasso. Get over yourself Babylon and ignore if it annoys you.

[Babylon]

Wonder if you'll be banned for such a comment?

Doubt it..

And why would I be banned for that? Does it break forum rules, nope.

[Babylon]

Surely a thread about chances created should be talking about Cambiasso. Get over yourself Babylon and ignore if it annoys you.

"just how much work Wes Morgan has had to do and how much defensive work our midfield players haven't done." No your right, I can see the correlation

 

As for talking about Cambiasso, funny because you didn't seem to ask about anyone else out of the 11 on the pitch, just one. People like him, get over it.

[Guest Col city fan]

And why would I be banned for that? Does it break forum rules, nope.

This thread is about chances created.

It's also about a website that provides stats on players attributes across the season.

So I've made a point about Wes Morgan being one of the best blockers of shots in the division. And suggested he's had to be due to insufficient defensive cover (a point I've made a number of times this season).

Rathen than debate that, or add to the thread in any other interesting way, you've chosen to use the term 'pathetic' attached to one of my comments..

How does that discuss anything?

All it does is attempts to thwart any discussion.

Not for the first time.

[Guest]

"just how much work Wes Morgan has had to do and how much defensive work our midfield players haven't done." No your right, I can see the correlation

 

As for talking about Cambiasso, funny because you didn't seem to ask about anyone else out of the 11 on the pitch, just one. People like him, get over it.

 

I thought that Wes Morgan was in relation to defensive stats found on the same site but that wasn't me so can't say.

 

I asked about Cambiasso because his greatest skill is picking out the genius pass, so I expected him to be our no.1 by far. He's top 3, that's pretty good and what I'd have said from watching his play. I certainly haven't looked up or talked about his defensive stats which I would feel have nothing to do with this thread. People like him, I like him, so he's bound to be in many LCFC conversations. Stop looking for fights.