Parafox Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 That orange woman was a complete idiot, as is anyone who takes this selected street-full of people as the flag bearers of everyone on benefits. We need intelligent solutions to complex problems, stereotyping and condemning people off them is not the way to go The trouble is, there are those (on here) who will see this show as a complete vindication in their belief that the people on it are typical of anyone on any kind of welfare support.
Merging Cultures Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 He's been jailed for his part in a double stabbing. http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/neil-maxwell-benefits-street-star-9151122 Not surprised.
Danno Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 The trouble is, there are those (on here) who will see this show as a complete vindication in their belief that the people on it are typical of anyone on any kind of welfare support.Exactly. Just a show designed to influence the gullible middle classes and a way of somehow justifying benefits to the most vulnerable members of society.
Parafox Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 Exactly. Just a show designed to influence the gullible middle classes and a way of somehow justifying (cutting) benefits to the most vulnerable members of society. Did you miss that word out? It's also a chance to allow the gullible middle classes (and plenty of other groups in society) to point and sneer.
Merging Cultures Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 The trouble is, there are those (on here) who will see this show as a complete vindication in their belief that the people on it are typical of anyone on any kind of welfare support.I can't imagine anyone is that naive. I think most on here know the media takes extremes. Often they use them to highlight flaws in policy or society. But I can't imagine anyone thinks this is typical, unfortunately that doesn't mean abuses of the system like these don't happen frequently.
Jaspa Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 As far as I can tell, the druggy has had several run ins. He has probably been offered training. I can't imagine as a repeat offender, with no prospects and 'memory loss', he was just sent back out to re-offend. Plus, he lives in the UK. The amount of options available, for someone who is motivated and wants to better themselves, are immense. From the brief episode, it seems to me he doesn't want to better himself. No stereotyping going on. These people have opened themselves up to public opinion. In all I said, I directed it at the individuals, not blanket statements. No matter how empathetic you are you cant put yourself in his mindset - I dont know his demons and Ive not lived his life. Second line no problem. Hes most likely grown up underprivileged, but as a grown man he should have a plan to improve himself at least, ganja isnt the intelligent option granted. People are using this to stereotype though, to push for more benefit sanctions which I in part agree with but its far more complex than this show or The Sun lets on. Some kids will go hungry if were not careful Not surprised. Never met a vicious weed dealer myself He's been jailed for his part in a double stabbing. http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/neil-maxwell-benefits-street-star-9151122 Alright, if hes a danger to the public then lock him up
Danno Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 Did you miss that word out? It's also a chance to allow the gullible middle classes (and plenty of other groups in society) to point and sneer. j should probably proof read my posts sometime i'm beginning to get like ken. And agreed, plenty of stuff of a similar ilk were on tv before the election.
Merging Cultures Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 Never met a vicious weed dealer myself [emoji14]h34r: Wasn't his only crime was it? Aside from the stabbing, he had commuted fraud and other crimes. Weed dealing seemed to be only one of his infractions. Therefore, I'm not surprised.
cambridgefox Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 What I find odd is after the controversial first series where the residents felt they weren't portrayed correctly ,and the media spotlight was non stop and intrusive.Why would you agree to be part of such a thing.You know it would be the same and if you didn't think that well.......
Dr The Singh Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 Anybody notice since this has been on Rincy has been missing. One can only assume after his success with White Dee, Rincy is rincing the poon on this new benefit street.
Rincewind Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 I'm still here. Not watchedit so can not comment. I would say though from what I know from people involved with work with ex-prisoners that it is harder finding a job if you have been inside. Employers and those who have filled in application forms may be aware that there is often a section asking about criminal records and on some a CRB check. If there area few applicants those with records are often the first to be rejected unless the company runs a scheme to help ex-offenders. Do any employers on here operate such a system?
Guest Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 What I find odd is after the controversial first series where the residents felt they weren't portrayed correctly ,and the media spotlight was non stop and intrusive.Why would you agree to be part of such a thing.You know it would be the same and if you didn't think that well....... 15 minutes of fame.
DennisNedry Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 I think you'd be surprised how common scum like these people actually are. I wouldn't go as far to say they are like the majority of people claiming out of work benefits, not by a considerable margin, but you're still looking in the hundreds of thousands nationwide.
Danno Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 I think you'd be surprised how common scum like these people actually are. I wouldn't go as far to say they are like the majority of people claiming out of work benefits, not by a considerable margin, but you're still looking in the hundreds of thousands nationwide. Ah you must have so much experience of them.
DennisNedry Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Ah you must have so much experience of them. Bet I have more than you.
Parafox Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 The trouble is, there are those (on here) who will see this show as a complete vindication in their belief that the people on it are typical of anyone on any kind of welfare support. I can't imagine anyone is that naive. I think most on here know the media takes extremes. Often they use them to highlight flaws in policy or society. But I can't imagine anyone thinks this is typical, unfortunately that doesn't mean abuses of the system like these don't happen frequently. Really? Proof below... I think you'd be surprised how common scum like these people actually are.
Merging Cultures Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Really? Proof below... Yeah, I'm shaking my head in disappointment.
Stadt Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Really? Proof below... He's said that people like this are more common than you'd think, he didn't imply that everybody on benefits is like that.
Parafox Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 He's said that people like this are more common than you'd think, he didn't imply that everybody on benefits is like that. No, he didn't imply that EVERYONE is like that, however his comment supports my observation that people in the wider sense and some FT members too, think that those on the programme are typical (not inclusive of everyone) of those on benefits. It's semantics, but that remark still confirms what I said. And you can't quantify "common" in terms of numbers of people. It suggests "a lot" or "most".
Stadt Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 No, he didn't imply that EVERYONE is like that, however his comment supports my observation that people in the wider sense and some FT members too, think that those on the programme are typical (not inclusive of everyone) of those on benefits. It's semantics, but that remark still confirms what I said. And you can't quantify "common" in terms of numbers of people. It suggests "a lot" or "most". In the post that you quoted he said he thinks not everybody is like that, there are certain people who believe that everybody is in fact "scum' but he even acknowledged that in his post that its exaggerated.
Parafox Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 In the post that you quoted he said he thinks not everybody is like that, there are certain people who believe that everybody is in fact "scum' but he even acknowledged that in his post that its exaggerated. Then he should've worded it differently.
Danno Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Judging by some of his posts he probably does think that though.
MooseBreath Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Yes I know it's the daily mail, it was the first search result and I can't be bothered to look in more detail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548865/One-five-jobless-benefits-claims-claimed-criminals-half-offenders-living-welfare-month-leaving-jail.html But it seems to me that all this speculation over whether JSA claimants are generally more into scumbaggery than non JSA claimants is pointless if there are stats. Ain't nobody been round every welfare area making notes about how people behave, and some of the lefties on here probably haven't even set foot in a poor area for years so how they think they know what goes on in these places is beyond me. So stats, it seems, are the best way to go.
Rincewind Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 I expect IDS is always driving around slum areas. The stats re what goes on in poor areas are often taken from accounts of people that work and visit people in those areas. Welfare and volunteer workers.But obviously and edited hour long TV programme is more reliable.
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