MC Prussian Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Still not going to apologise for your false allegation? There's a ton of posts on this forum, hundreds of new ones every day - I'm working on retrieving the information as we speak. But like I said, I do know what I posted and it was a direct reply to one of your posts - both of which disappeared rather quickly. And you were the only moderator on duty that night. Allegations? Maybe. False? Maybe. But don't let one post of mine get in the way of a good argument - what do you have to say to rest of my post, oh thou immaculate one?
Webbo Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 And there you go again, you've entirely missed the point. Not knowing why he's been sacked isn't a good enough reason to blame him for getting the sack. As it stands, a successful manager at the height of his success has been sacked and no reason given for it. Without further elaboration, or an upturn in our on-field fortunes, that's bound to look like a silly decision. I don't need to give a good reason for him being sacked. The board do. Until that point, it's going to continue looking like a silly decision. But it's good enough to blame the board? Please don't keep telling I've missed the point. I totally get the point I just think it's stupid.
deep blue Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Nige is not like what the media perceive him to be. He is actually a quality man manager and looks after the players as if they were his own kids (don't even think about entering annoying pun/joke about the unfortunate events in Thailand here). He is deeply respected by many in the game. He is tough but fair and looks out for those around him. I honestly think this is all down to the fact Nige has slightly more realistic expectations for the next few years and is more wary and withdrawn about spending big unless entirely necessary. The owners think spending big will lead to quicker success. These creative differences in 'perspective' is what has caused the relationship to break down. It's a real shame because Nige's project honestly looked like it was going to be a flying success. Now, well let's see who comes in next. I'm just hoping that it's someone who will respect what Nige has done here and build upon it, rather than tearing it down and spending big to replace the squad that got us here. Good post, and the most sensible guess as to the reason for his sacking.
Webbo Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 No, I just pay attention - look at comments about him made by his ex-players, ones who have worked with him day in day out for years; they've not a bad word to say about him. Look at how he comes across in interviews with the likes of Henry Winter. It is blindingly obvious that the awkward face in the media is not who he is. You'd have to be wilfully ignorant to suggest he's a dick in day to day life when pretty much everyone who has known or worked with him has only positive things to say. I've not called him a dick.
MC Prussian Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 I think it's fair to judge someone by listening what they're saying in their own words and seeing their actions. ... in the context of their working environment? Well, that and the true (private) persona aren't always congruent. I thought you with your vast working experience and at your age would've noticed that by now. So you do admit that you base your opinion of Pearson on you personal observations within Pearson's working environment - even though many others come to the completely opposite conclusion? Who are you defending here and why?
Webbo Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 There's a ton of posts on this forum, hundreds of new ones every day - I'm working on retrieving the information as we speak. But like I said, I do know what I posted and it was a direct reply to one of your posts - both of which disappeared rather quickly. And you were the only moderator on duty that night. Allegations? Maybe. False? Maybe. But don't let one post of mine get in the way of a good argument - what do you have to say to rest of my post, oh thou unmistakable one? Why would I delete a post of yours? Do you honestly think I'm bothered if you disagree with me? I've argued with cleverer people than you and I've never felt the need to delete their replies. If you haven't got the decency to apologise for your attack on my integrity then I can't be bothered to talk to you.
inckley fox Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 But it's good enough to blame the board? Please don't keep telling I've missed the point. I totally get the point I just think it's stupid. No, the board aren't being blamed for their argument with Pearson, they're being blamed for sacking an extremely successful manager at the height of his success. Only an improvement in our results will justify that decision, unless they give a very good reason for it. And they haven't yet. I appreciate that you think this is 'stupid', but it's also what actually happened - they did sack a successful manager, they didn't give a reason for it. Now I can make a whole series of guesses as to why, as can you, but based on what we actually know it's a daft decision. This is where you're missing the point!
Wymsey Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 So, is Nigel still taking legal action or not? If he doesn't, the Thais will not be forced to explain their reasoning on this.
MC Prussian Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Why would I delete a post of yours? Do you honestly think I'm bothered if you disagree with me? I've argued with cleverer people than you and I've never felt the need to delete their replies. If you haven't got the decency to apologise for your attack on my integrity then I can't be bothered to talk to you. Are we hitting a nerve here? As far as I can tell, you've never been more active and never been more aggressive in any other thread than on here - the only moderator whom I can see who is exposing himself to the level that you are. You argue with almost everyone who's raising questions over Pearson's sacking - and they argue for (a) good reason(s). You're a moderator. You do delete posts on occasion when you see fit. It's your job. Stop throwing hissy fits around because so many people question your stance and your argumentation in this whole debate. The onus isn't on me here. Why so bothered in the first place, Webbo?
Webbo Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 No, the board aren't being blamed for their argument with Pearson, they're being blamed for sacking an extremely successful manager at the height of his success. Only an improvement in our results will justify that decision, unless they give a very good reason for it. And they haven't yet. I appreciate that you think this is 'stupid', but it's also what actually happened - they did sack a successful manager, they didn't give a reason for it. Now I can make a whole series of guesses as to why, as can you, but based on what we actually know it's a daft decision. This is where you're missing the point! They have given a reason; The Board of Directors recognises the success Nigel has helped to bring to Leicester City during his two spells in charge of the Club, particularly during the last three and a half years. However, it has become clear to the Club that fundamental differences in perspective exist between us. Regrettably, the Club believes that the working relationship between Nigel and the Board is no longer viable. Seems pretty obvious to me that they've fell out. Why is that so hard to believe?
inckley fox Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 They have given a reason; Seems pretty obvious to me that they've fell out. Why is that so hard to believe? The point I keep making is that 'just falling out' isn't in itself a good enough reason to sack a highly successful manager. If that were the best they could say in court then they'd be successfully sued for wrongful dismissal and not one of us would be able to say a word in the board's defence. No?
BoneDog Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 What do you have to say to rest of my post, oh thou immaculate one?
Webbo Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Are we hitting a nerve here? As far as I can tell, you've never been more active and never been more aggressive in any other thread than on here - the only moderator whom I can see who is exposing himself to the level that you are. You argue with almost everyone who's raising questions of Pearson's sacking - and they argue for (a) good reason(s). You're a moderator. You do delete posts on occasion when you see fit. It's your job. Stop throwing hissy fits around because so many people question your stance and your argumentation in this whole debate. The onus isn't on me here. Why so bothered in the first place, Webbo? I told you twice I didn't delete your post and there wasn't any of your posts in the removed content. Not only are you accusing me of abusing my mod status you're calling me a liar. Don't talk to me again.
Foxhateram Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Webbo give it a rest. Nigel is well respected in the game by everyone I have met in my time coaching, right from Southampton academy (senior coaches who were my level 3 mentors) all the way through to England physio team (David weeks http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Weeks-succeeds-Bunney-Ottery-St-Mary-boss/story-12703161-detail/story.html)who Nige worked with when he was with the under 21's set up and I currently play for, David also knows Nige from his time at West Brom. Further to this I have met and discussed Leicester type things with Alan curbishley (at a coaching event) who had utmost respect for Nige and at a similar event I also discussed lcfc type things with Geoff hurst, again more kind words about Nigel. Someone doesn't gain that much respect from some of the games ambassadors without being something special. We truly have lost a great manager, some people don't seem to realise what he has done for the club, right from the bottom to the top. They don't seem to understand that Nige's motivating ways with players and staff is what makes our squad perform at higher level then on paper it should. He will be sorely missed next season. P.s. Evidence of me with Geoff Hurst in picture form attached.
MC Prussian Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 They have given a reason; Seems pretty obvious to me that they've fell out. Why is that so hard to believe? Because the official statement only explains the owners' point of view and remains pretty superficial as to why Pearson was truly sacked. There's no further explanation with regards to what made the owners change their mind for real this time. Was it a difference in opinion over future signings? The future inclusion of the youth academy? The general philosophy? Money? The Thailand scandal? An intrigue from within? The owners being held ransom for some odd reason? You see, it could be so many things. And this general cluelessness has many fans left frustrated. I would've expected a more straightforward line - to me (and to many others), it all appears shady and conflicted. Why the need to be so opaque?
inckley fox Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 I told you twice I didn't delete your post and there wasn't any of your posts in the removed content. Not only are you accusing me of abusing my mod status you're calling me a liar. Don't talk to me again. Please take this in good humour, but if I were to say that - based on the abrasiveness of your previous posts - I believed that you did delete MC Prussian's messages, would that annoy you? Because that's basically how your argument against Pearson works.
Alf Bentley Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 the only moderator whom I can see who is exposing himself to the level that you are. Quite happy to agree to disagree over Pearson, Webbo, but you really should keep your clothes on!
MC Prussian Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 I told you twice I didn't delete your post and there wasn't any of your posts in the removed content. Not only are you accusing me of abusing my mod status you're calling me a liar. Don't talk to me again. First of all, I've never said that you're abusing your mod status. Now you're putting words in my mouth. You're a moderator. You do delete posts occasionally. And even entire threads. That's a fact. And where am I calling you a liar exactly? You're being very bizarre. I've never seen you so agitated and relentless.
Foxhateram Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 No. I don't understand your stance, people are giving you clear evidence to suggest that your opinion/ statement of Nigel being a guy that makes enemies easily is completely wrong. Yet you continue to, with quite an aggressive manner, restate that he has fallen out with all these people in public. There is no eveidence to suggest the Lee Hoos exit was due to Nigel (apart from speculation), there is also little evidence to suggest a falling out between Milan and Nige. Even the journalist he called an ostrich has stated that he didn't think Nige deserved the sack. The only incident in your favour really is the statement Nige made to someone in the crowd at the Liverpool game, but I can tell you personally that a gesture was made about his daughter, to which I think I would react in a similar way. There has clearly been a disagreement regarding perspectives of the future and that had led to both parties unfortunately seperating. I still don't think he deserved to sacked though.
Webbo Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Quite happy to agree to disagree over Pearson, Webbo, but you really should keep your clothes on! It's my new protest group. testis for Top. Get behind the board or I'm flashing my knackers.
Foxhateram Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Anyone else think foxhateram looks like Peter Canero? Cheers wymeswold, nothing like a compliment at 00:29 in the morning.
Frank to be Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Because the official statement only explains the owners' point of view and remains pretty superficial as to why Pearson was truly sacked. There's no further explanation with regards to what made the owners change their mind for real this time. Was it a difference in opinion over future signings? The future inclusion of the youth academy? The general philosophy? Money? The Thailand scandal? An intrigue from within? The owners being held ransom for some odd reason? You see, it could be so many things. And this general cluelessness has many fans left frustrated. I would've expected a more straightforward line - to me (and to many others), it all appears shady and conflicted. Why the need to be so opaque? Maybe they've agreed to be opaque so as to protect Pearson's reputation.
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