EnglishOxide Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 What you're saying is because someone's angry that proves their innocence? Pardon me if I question the validity of your theory. It was quite clear from my post that I presumed that Nigel being angry two weeks on from the event would suggest that he would he justified to. If, as some are suggesting, he was sacked for gross misconduct on one particular day, then being the intelligent man he is he would reluctantly take it on the chin and move on from it.
Corky Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 And I think that tells the story of the season quite well. 41 points was about par as far as I was concerned at the start of the season and we got there in the end. The utter jubilation of the last 9 games has made the 6 months which preceded them seem like a bad dream but it happened and it was bloody miserable turning up every week knowing that we'd lose by the odd goal, and for a time in October/November knowing that we probably wouldn't even create a decent chance. I'd say at least half of the season was really bad, a third was bloody brilliant and the the rest meh. Most teams just have a season of meh. We improved a lot after Christmas. Even in defeat at Arsenal and Spurs we were positive and not afraid to take the game to a much better side. But the home form between Man United and West Ham was just pitiful, 5 goals in 10 matches is unacceptable. Yet somehow we finished as 8th top home scorers in the league or something
Webbo Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 It was quite clear from my post that I presumed that Nigel being angry two weeks on from the event would suggest that he would he justified to. If, as some are suggesting, he was sacked for gross misconduct on one particular day, then being the intelligent man he is he would reluctantly take it on the chin and move on from it. I don't think anyone has mentioned gross misconduct. He's obviously fell out with the board and like all falling outs both sides will assume they are in the right.
Guest Bob Hazels shorts Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 It was quite clear from my post that I presumed that Nigel being angry two weeks on from the event would suggest that he would he justified to. If, as some are suggesting, he was sacked for gross misconduct on one particular day, then being the intelligent man he is he would reluctantly take it on the chin and move on from it. Maybe the fact that he struggles to control his anger got him the sack? Without me wanting to be shot down as pretending to know or have heard...... Lets just imaging that given all his plaudits and inevitably being surrounded by sycophants and also a lot of fans cheering his name during a disastrous run and laughable team selections maybe just maybe he started to feel a little invincible?? ....also try to imagine that after the dismissal of his son or/ and other reasons he threw his teddy out as he was known to do and was a total pain after that given the owners several reasons to dismiss him. Time will tell.
Babylon Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 I don't think anyone has mentioned gross misconduct. He's obviously fell out with the board and like all falling outs both sides will assume they are in the right. They have.
Guest ttfn Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 We improved a lot after Christmas. Even in defeat at Arsenal and Spurs we were positive and not afraid to take the game to a much better side. But the home form between Man United and West Ham was just pitiful, 5 goals in 10 matches is unacceptable. Yet somehow we finished as 8th top home scorers in the league or something Wasn't it 3 goals in 9 home games between Burnley and West Ham? You're right, we were ok away (although I'd contend that in most games we didn't start playing until we went 2-0 down).
Webbo Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 They have. I'll take your word for it but I haven't ever said that and I've not read that either.
MC Prussian Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 No one is saying that the owners are saints, nobody is saying that Pearson is the worst person on earth. We all know what Pearson is like, how many people he's fell out with. We know how the owners have stood by him when they've had ample opportunity to sack in the last year, they've backed him with money during this transfer window. But apparently our owners, who have never knowingly done this club or it's fans a bad turn, are involved in an evil plot to sack a totally innocent man for reasons that nobody has ever stated. It's laughable. This is the statement from the club; What is so hard to believe about that? No, we don't really know "what he is like" - a large part of his persona has been formed by the media and the way he comes across in the media. That doesn't automatically mean he's the same kind of man in private - on the contrary, the marmite-like appearance in public has been described by many who've gotten to know him better as being very much down-to-earth, likeable, funny and inspiring. Also, the exact number of people he's really fell out with is debatable, as we only know of a handful of public "incidents" and even there, amends were made quickly in many cases. It is laughable to see the best manager in ten, fifteen years getting the sack for no apparent reason other than "fundamental differences in perspective", which is a pretty shallow statement in itself.
EnglishOxide Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 I don't think anyone has mentioned gross misconduct. He's obviously fell out with the board and like all falling outs both sides will assume they are in the right. Well, as Babylon has said, it has been suggested by many that he was sacked for gross misconduct and therefore if that was the case the owners were left with NO CHOICE but to sack him. Two weeks on, if Pearson is still pissed off then to me it would suggest this whole episode was avoidable and therefore it wasn't gross misconduct. My reasoning for believing that is that Pearson would reluctantly see it that way too. If this whole episode was avoidable and the owners could have prevented it but decided not to, then I would blame them for the majority of this thing, and not Pearson.
Webbo Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 No, we don't really know "what he is like" - a large part of his persona has been formed by the media and the way he comes across in the media. That doesn't automatically mean he's the same kind of man in private - on the contrary, the marmite-like appearance in public has been described by many who've gotten to know him better as being very much down-to-earth, likeable, funny and inspiring. Also, the exact number of people he's really fell out with is debatable, as we only know of a handful of public "incidents" and even there, amends were made quickly in many cases. It is laughable to see the best manager in ten, fifteen years getting the sack for no apparent reason other than "fundamental differences in perspective", which is a pretty shallow statement in itself. Page 70, post 2087 in the Pearson sacked thread. Just write that down in case you can't find this post and accuse me of deleting it because you've outsmarted me.
Fox92 Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 So had we gone down by 1pt you don't think we would have been unlucky? You only need to be unlucky in one game to go down. Was we not unlucky to concede 2 penalties at Liverpool? Or you think we deserved that draw. You've taken that out of context though. My post was about a season as a whole. Sure there's going to be some games where decisions are questionable, such as Liverpool away, but I'm talking about the league table at the end of the season. If we'd have gone down, I'd have thought we weren't good enough and the table shows that. If a team finishes 5th and misses out on a Champions League place it's because the team in 4th have been better throughout the season, same applies to every position.
st albans fox Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 I still think this dates back to MacArthur and the photo of him, Nigel's hands clasped around his neck, which was flashed around the world. I don't think vichai ever accepted thereafter that NP could remain as the custodian of the football club, the public face. Top disagreed and Nigel kept his job. the rumour that the back room staff refused to take charge and no one else suitable was available may have helped Top's position. Had there been no more incidents, perhaps Top could have convinced his father that NP should keep his post. But there were the two press conferences (**** and ostrich) and finally the Bangkok affair. I think Top ran out of excuses to stand up for him. if we don't appoint someone this week then it would seem that the board were not expecting to make the decision and therefore, something else arose to accelerate things. If we do appoint someone, then it's feasible that enquiries had been underway for some time and suitable candidates identified and sounded out. What's clear is that we aren't going to be rushed to an announcement. Pearson had created a fantastic team spirit and ethic. The players always offered staunch support for him in public. However, knowing the strong character that he is, I suspect you would do this. The comment always that the manager hadn't lost the players and that they were clearly playing for him. What about the possibility that they were playing for each other, due to that team spitrit? (That he was responsible for creating). There is a part of me that wonders if the players were a bit 'scared' of him and if they will now be more relaxed. I certainly wouldn't want to get the wrong side of him!
nnfox Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Apologies, I haven't read the whole thread, but I think the writing was on the wall with regards Pearson's time with us from the Palace game and his "sacking" then. I have the impression that his relationship with the board was a tense one for most of the time. Start the season well - everything is fine. Disastrous middle to the season and owners start getting nervous. Pearson was coming across as tactically inept and a bit weird. Then there came the Palace game and that was the final straw. We'll never know exactly what happened but I would think that Pearson was given his final warning as far as his conduct went. It was a difficult time for the owners: It was the beginning of February, the transfer window was closed, we were clinging on for dear life in the league table. There was a realistic prospect for relegation and the owners must have been thinking towards plan B. If we were relegated, who would be better than Pearson to get us back up? Nobody. Quite simply, it was too much of a gamble to get rid of him then and they had to stick with him and keep their fingers crossed with the rest of us. Then came the amazing run in. Pearson the motivator stepped up to the plate and we pulled off a miraculous escape. But in the cold light of day, when you look back at it: West Ham at home - West Ham nothing to play for (Won) WBA away - WBA virtually safe and still in shock from their previous week's defeat (Won in injury time) Swansea at home - Swansea with nothing to play for (Won) Burnley away - Burnley on a bad run of form, resigned to relegation (Won) Chelsea at home - Chelsea wanting to wrap up the title (Lost) Newcastle at home - Newcastle in their worst ever run of form (Won) Southampton at home - Southampton nothing to play for (Won) Sunderland away - both sides would settle for a draw (draw) QPR at home - Party time against a relegated team (Smashed them) It was an awesome run in. We played some great football and I think we ended up getting what we deserved. BUT, our run in fixtures fell about as well as they could have. The Thai Tape was the last straw but I am convinced the owners think they can get a better manager in to take us to the next level. They couldn't sack Pearson following the incredible run that we had been on but were looking for an excuse and the Thai trip presented them with the perfect opportunity. I was a big fan of Pearson but if I'm honest if he had stayed, we could have ended up like Stoke or something like that - aspiring for mid-table security. I think our owners want more and if we are to seriously challenge for the top 6/7 and beyond then I think it was out of Pearson's reach. I'd have liked to have seen him carry on into this season but in all honesty, I could see him being sacked at Xmas when the tactics have been going wrong and we have had a few defeats and again staring at a relegation battle. We need a new manager to take us to the next level so I'm not surprised Pearson has gone, I am a little surprised at the timing though. I wish him well wherever he goes next and I'm sure he'll do just fine.
CosbehFox Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 It was quite clear from my post that I presumed that Nigel being angry two weeks on from the event would suggest that he would he justified to. If, as some are suggesting, he was sacked for gross misconduct on one particular day, then being the intelligent man he is he would reluctantly take it on the chin and move on from it. Even as a Pearson supporter, the longer the silence and the longer his mates stay on the staff I begin to think he did something serious and out of order. I suspect he lost his cool for the sacking of his son. Probably that he felt the surroundings and circumstance of a party at a hotel 'set' them up. As a result, said something too far. He may well have been annoyed at Simpson's continued employment in comparison.
CosbehFox Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 What about the possibility that they were playing for each other, due to that team spitrit? (That he was responsible for creating). There is a part of me that wonders if the players were a bit 'scared' of him and if they will now be more relaxed. I certainly wouldn't want to get the wrong side of him! Totally horsecrap. Why would the likes of Berner and Powell praise his coaching? Both have said they use him as a inspiration. Why would players such as Howard, Wellens and Gallagher whose time here came to an ill feeling yet all three have praised him. I know for a fact that the training ground has been a fun place to work. It was very subdued during our winless streak but once we got going, it was great. Look at Ostrich burgers from the club chef. I know also that Kasper was an awkward, mardy character who has changed over his time at City into a nice bloke.
st albans fox Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Totally horsecrap. Why would the likes of Berner and Powell praise his coaching? Both have said they use him as a inspiration. Why would players such as Howard, Wellens and Gallagher whose time here came to an ill feeling yet all three have praised him. I know for a fact that the training ground has been a fun place to work. It was very subdued during our winless streak but once we got going, it was great. Look at Ostrich burgers from the club chef. I know also that Kasper was an awkward, mardy character who has changed over his time at City into a nice bloke. i didnt make a statement. i threw somehting out there for discussion. i am clear that i know your thoughts, i also think that being one of the bosses 'favourites' would be a great place to be. it generally is. what about those on the margins. say albrighton. do you think he enjoyed his time up until april ? all the crap will come out in the wash. it generally does.
CosbehFox Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 i didnt make a statement. i threw somehting out there for discussion. i am clear that i know your thoughts, i also think that being one of the bosses 'favourites' would be a great place to be. it generally is. what about those on the margins. say albrighton. do you think he enjoyed his time up until april ? all the crap will come out in the wash. it generally does. You find Albrighton had personal matters to deal with and was also away behind the rest in fitness tests etc. Hamer is probably the only player in the squad who has an axe to grind. Gave three examples of players who end their time here as no longer favourites and they speak highly of him.
Frank to be Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Players and staff speaking highly of a manager doesn't really mean anything. 90% of what footballers say to the media is just a string of meaningless platitudes they've been taught in media training. It's a very, very rare scenario that any player at any club will publicly criticise the manager and clearly not every manager is the Messiah.
DEMANN Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 In a statement, Leicester said: "...it has become clear to the club that fundamental differences in perspective exist between us. Regrettably, the club believes that the working relationship between Nigel and the Board is no longer viable." I wish he was still here, but It's business, and he was just an employee.
CosbehFox Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Players and staff speaking highly of a manager doesn't really mean anything. 90% of what footballers say to the media is just a string of meaningless platitudes they've been taught in media training. It's a very, very rare scenario that any player at any club will publicly criticise the manager and clearly not every manager is the Messiah.After their time at the club? Gallagher defended Pearson over the McArthur incident when he had no real need to.Berner as a coach in Switzerland is hardly going to get a leg up by praising Pearson. Similarly he finished his time here hardly playing. You only have to read the article which appeared on the West Brom website about Pearson approaching the Astle family and generally praising his personality as a coach at the club. That was from a source who had nothing to gain or lose. I know two people who dealt with Nige frequently included one of those who would do it daily. He couldn't speak highly enough of him and that's someone who has had constant dealings with football managers.
Mark_w Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Players and staff speaking highly of a manager doesn't really mean anything. 90% of what footballers say to the media is just a string of meaningless platitudes they've been taught in media training. It's a very, very rare scenario that any player at any club will publicly criticise the manager and clearly not every manager is the Messiah. Bruno Berner, Chris Powell, and plenty of others have given Pearson vast amounts of praise since leaving. Not following the discussion but if you're talking about Pearson still you must have an incredible hatred of the man to keep coming out with this nonsense. He did a shitload for your football club, the correct way to thank him is not to criticize him any time the opportunity arises. Everyone gets that you don't like him, but trying to diminish his achievements makes you look like a crackpot who cares more about being right than the football club you support.
Mike Oxlong Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Up and down the country local radio reporters are shitting it that he'll get the gig at the club they cover
Wymsey Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 I am genuinely surprised it's taken this long to get someone in. Someone in a bar I went to mentioned Paul Jewell would be worth a shout...
Mark_w Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Up and down the country local radio reporters are shitting it that he'll get the gig at the club they cover Not if they're competent. A good journalist is perfectly capable of getting a lot out of Nigel Pearson, and will likely see the club they cover get added exposure as a result of their improving league position. I imagine any radio reporter worth their salt would be hoping he does.
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