Jimothy Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 5 Premier Leagues, 1 Champions League, 1 Club World Cup and 2 League Cups. He's captain of arguably the biggest team in the world. He's scored about 20 goals a season for the past 10 years. He scored 8 in 13 for England in 2014. 2 goals in 4 in 2015. But yeah.. lets drop one of England's best ever players after 4 poor games and make Gary Cahill captain. Premier Leagues record goalscorer with 260 goals, let's call up Alan Shearer!!!! I'm not sure why his club acheivements should have any bearing on whether he plays for England or not. Man Utd won those not him. Also I'm not sure why looking back over 10 years should either. Fact of the matter is right now he's playing like he's never played the game before in his life. I'm not just talking about the lack of goals, I mean the shear inability to even control the ball properly. He's not just a little off form, he's awful. We might get away with playing him against San Marino, but we can't afford to carry him in the Swiss game. Nobody should be untouchable, and right now he's not earning his place.
NGoloMode Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Premier Leagues record goalscorer with 260 goals, let's call up Alan Shearer!!!! I'm not sure why his club acheivements should have any bearing on whether he plays for England or not. Man Utd won those not him. Also I'm not sure why looking back over 10 years should either. Fact of the matter is right now he's playing like he's never played the game before in his life. I'm not just talking about the lack of goals, I mean the shear inability to even control the ball properly. He's not just a little off form, he's awful. We might get away with playing him against San Marino, but we can't afford to carry him in the Swiss game. Nobody should be untouchable, and right now he's not earning his place. Alan Shearer is god knows how old. Rooney is 29. I'm talking captain material. Experienced with a winning mentality. 10 years at the top means he is a great mentor on and off the pitch for the youngsters too. And talk about inability to control a ball? Take a look at this goal from last season. That's his left foot by the way. http://streamable.com/d3b6
Jimothy Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Alan Shearer is god knows how old. Rooney is 29. I'm talking captain material. Experienced with a winning mentality. 10 years at the top means he is a great mentor on and off the pitch for the youngsters too. And talk about inability to control a ball? Take a look at this goal from last season. That's his left foot by the way. http://streamable.com/d3b6 I'm just making the point that looking over past stats is meaningless. Last season? What's that got to do with right now? I watched him strangely enough against Villa the other week and every touch ended up 20 yards away from him! I'm not saying he should be dropped forever, or even be left out the squad completely, but getting in the team right now, sorry it's a no. If that means Hart or Cahill gets the armband so be it, Rooney needs a boot up the arse, because picking him regardless of how he's playing benefits nobody. There are more in form and hungrier options available at the moment, let's use them and remind Wayne he has be in form to get in the team. I agree he's earned a little bit of leeway over the years that probably means he'll always make the squad, but that shouldn't rule him out of being dropped from the team.
Dan Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 I'd definitely be up for giving Rooney a game or two out simply because I think he needs it. How bad does he have to perform before we seriously look at dropping him? That's what I wonder. He isn't a poor player but he isn't quite good enough for England to be deemed undroppable for me.
Nalis Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 I'm not English and not the biggest fan of Rooney as a guy but fvcking hell, I never understood the dogs abuse he gets when he sticks on an English shirt just because he doesnt hit the extremely high levels he hits for Man Utd. Talk about being the victim of your own success.
Stadt Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 But he slows everything down, we're a side thats suited to a high tempo style of play and Rooney is the opposite.
Grandad. Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 But he slows everything down, we're a side thats suited to a high tempo style of play and Rooney is the opposite. That's because what he is used to at United, ever since Ronaldo left Man United they have been a pretty slow side, not in terms of a players pace but in their style of play, tempo and build up play. Gary Neville pointed it out on Monday, there is too many square balls, nobody running ahead of the ball and Rooney having to come deep and get the ball. I would never drop Rooney for England, he has scored too many goals to be dropped and hasn't really ever suffered a goal scoring drought with England, I don't think he has anyway, I'll check. Rooney for me needs to be playing with a strike partner for club and country, he has nobody at Man United and Van Gaal doesn't look like he would play two upfront anytime soon. For England, he could play in a system with two upfront quite easily but there isn't another striker banging the goals in bar Defoe? Harry Kane is currently proving all of last seasons doubters right, Welbeck and Sturridge are injured, Vardy is playing well but he isn't an out and out goal scorer and Austin won't be selected.
Stadt Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 The problem is for England Rooney drops deep so there's no in the box he becomes the focal point but then we have no attack, Rooney isn't skilful enough to do that and be useful, a strike partner might help but I think we'd have to be a bit more direct and Roy seems set on sideways passing.
Grandad. Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 The problem is for England Rooney drops deep so there's no in the box he becomes the focal point but then we have no attack, Rooney isn't skilful enough to do that and be useful, a strike partner might help but I think we'd have to be a bit more direct and Roy seems set on sideways passing. In our group right now in the position that we are in, can't change our system to help our best player then maybe it isn't Rooney who is the problem, maybe it is the manager.
Dan Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Hodgson is very fortunate to be in a job anyway. The complete lack of top class English managers is the only thing that would possibly keep someone who had a World Cup like that in a job. If we have a Euros anything like that then the dice needs rolling. Unfortunately based on our performances (not results, performances) in qualifying I don't see it going any other way.
Grandad. Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Hodgson is very fortunate to be in a job anyway. The complete lack of top class English managers is the only thing that would possibly keep someone who had a World Cup like that in a job. If we have a Euros anything like that then the dice needs rolling. Unfortunately based on our performances (not results, performances) in qualifying I don't see it going any other way. Yeah, fully agree. Like people always say though, "its a results business" never more evident for Mr. Hodgson.
Dan Posted 26 August 2015 Posted 26 August 2015 Yeah, fully agree. Like people always say though, "its a results business" never more evident for Mr. Hodgson. Beating these qualifying opponents should be the bare minimum. Beating Estonia 0-1 and playing badly is not a good thing. The tournaments are what matter, even more so given the incredibly easy qualifying route we've had to France, and we came up short in Brazil against an under-performing Italy, an under-performing Uruguay and a Costa Rica side who had rested a lot of their team, and we couldn't even score past it. I'd call England's job in these qualifiers so far 'professional', not impressive. The signs are that we'll do nothing in France. We haven't progressed since the Brazil debacle for me. The only impressive results in the past year were winning 0-2 at Switzerland (that was a banana skin) and beating Scotland as comfortably as we did. The rest has been the bare minimum.
NGoloMode Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 I'm just making the point that looking over past stats is meaningless. Last season? What's that got to do with right now? I watched him strangely enough against Villa the other week and every touch ended up 20 yards away from him! I'm not saying he should be dropped forever, or even be left out the squad completely, but getting in the team right now, sorry it's a no. If that means Hart or Cahill gets the armband so be it, Rooney needs a boot up the arse, because picking him regardless of how he's playing benefits nobody. There are more in form and hungrier options available at the moment, let's use them and remind Wayne he has be in form to get in the team. I agree he's earned a little bit of leeway over the years that probably means he'll always make the squad, but that shouldn't rule him out of being dropped from the team.
Jimothy Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/636769087402704896 https://twitter.com/br_uk/status/636648273546203137 Can only go off the evidence you have at the time. He's been shit in the first few games of the season, and I mean really shit. Just typical the potato headed twat would go and score a hat trick once I said that.
Swalker Posted 29 August 2015 Author Posted 29 August 2015 Another goal for Vardy, surely he's earned himself a place. Albrighton I hope gets a spot but I fear he may just come up short
conLAD logan Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Our centre midfield is a joke really isn't it, wilshere is the only midfield player I'd want near our cm spots. Milner and Henderson I just can't see ever being good enough.
Benguin Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Our centre midfield is a joke really isn't it, wilshere is the only midfield player I'd want near our cm spots. Milner and Henderson I just can't see ever being good enough. Shelvey apparently in. He's quality
conLAD logan Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Shelvey apparently in. He's quality he's alright but what I meant was we need centre mids like your pogba's, xavi's etc but at the moment england aren't producing any promising centre mids
kingfox Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Seeing Milner & Mason listed again is depressing.
Jimothy Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Manchester City), Jack Butland (Stoke City), Tom Heaton (Burnley). Defenders: Nathaniel Clyne (Liverpool), Luke Shaw (Manchester United), Kieran Gibbs (Arsenal), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), John Stones, Phil Jagielka (Both Everton). Midfielders: Michael Carrick (Manchester United), James Milner (Liverpool), Ross Barkley (Everton), Jonjo Shelvey (Swansea), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Raheem Sterling, Fabian Delph (Both Manchester City), Ryan Mason (Tottenham). Forwards: Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Harry Kane (Tottenham), Jamie Vardy (Leicester), Theo Walcott (Arsenal).
Wymsey Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 I'll be livid if Kane and Walcott start together. Kane has been quite clumsy whilst Walcott is a winger and don't know why Wenger put him at CF yesterday.
Dan Posted 31 August 2015 Posted 31 August 2015 Hart Clyne - Smalling - Stones - Shaw Carrick - Shelvey Sterling Walcott - Rooney - Vardy That was tricky, picking a balanced side from that lot. Saying that for San Marino you could name any XI in their actual positions and we'd win.
Munshi Posted 2 September 2015 Posted 2 September 2015 Hart Clyne Stones Smalling Shaw Carrick Shelvey Walcott Rooney Sterling Vardy
conLAD logan Posted 2 September 2015 Posted 2 September 2015 Hart Clyne Stones Smalling Shaw Carrick Shelvey Walcott Rooney Sterling Vardy this but with oxlade instead of Walcott, midfield would look okay if wilshere wasn't injured but perhaps shelvey can give a good account of himself over these two games
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