Sampson Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 It's not about 'cherry picking' a name from a computer game. It sounds like you have looked at the table and seen we are 5th, read some of the comments off here and now believe we need a better goalkeeper. If you are unaware of any other keepers how do you know that Kasper isn't better than what's out there? Ok I'll make it a little easier, if you are unaware of any goalkeepers from any computer game then what goalkeeper in the premiership would you like Kasper to be like? Like I've said before, he is still young for a goalkeeper and he is a good goalkeeper for our club and for the team, I'm sure Man Utd fans wanted to get rid of De Gea a few seasons into his premier league experience- that's not saying that KS will hit the heights of De Gea but give him time to develop too. We have had a lot of shit at this club and I still think Kasper has a lot to offer rather than trying to move on What goalkeeper in the PL should he be like? I think if you look at similar established PL keepers at the appropriate level for where we are we are at or where we hope to be you're looking at players like Jack Butland, Fraser Forster, Tim Krul or Adryan who are much more "complete" keepers than Kasper and have much more to their game than just shot stopping. I'm not saying we should move Kasper on at all, in saying we should try and improve on him if we want to establish ourselves. He's 29 in 3 weeks! Yes goalkeepers can go on a few years longer than outfield players but he's not "young for a goalkeeper" by any stretch of the imagination. He's at the prime age for a goalkeeper. David De Gea was 21 then so it's a strange comparison.
EGBFitness Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 What goalkeeper in the PL should he be like? I think if you look at similar established PL keepers at the appropriate level for where we are we are at or where we hope to be you're looking at players like Jack Butland, Fraser Forster, Tim Krul or Adryan who are much more "complete" keepers than Kasper and have much more to their game than just shot stopping. I'm not saying we should move Kasper on at all, in saying we should try and improve on him if we want to establish ourselves. He's 29 in 3 weeks! Yes goalkeepers can go on a few years longer than outfield players but he's not "young for a goalkeeper" by any stretch of the imagination. He's at the prime age for a goalkeeper. David De Gea was 21 then so it's a strange comparison. All the keepers mentioned have their flaws and have been known to make questionable decisions. I wouldn't really say KS is much better/worse than any of the names mentioned. If we got any keeper in I don't think KS would sit around on the bench anyways so I think he would leave if someone came in anyways. The comparison wasn't anything to do with age but more of a learning and gaining premier league experience. Up to a few years ago he was slated by Man Utd fans and look where he is now.
ARM1968 Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 Kasper needs to step up or be replaced simple as that. Great result yesterday. Could have won it but a point there away from home is immense. Follow up with 3 against Palace and happy days. Clean sheet still seems as far off as ever. (Posted from my motorhome parked next to the sea in Marathon).
Sampson Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 Championship side has nothing to do with it too, half our team is from the core of that championship side but I'm guessing you are suggesting we should get rid of them now too as we are a Premiership side? And glad to see you trust our scouting system, would be nice to see you trust our management/coaching staff that they are picking the right team/tactics Of course the level of opposition has something to do with it! I'm not suggesting at all we should get rid of anyone! But some players have made the step up against better quality opposition, some haven't. I don't see many people defending the suggestion we need to improve on Ritchie De Laet because he played well for us in the Championship. The attackers are better and cleverer at this level, the movement and finishing is better. Of course you judge whether Schmeichel is good enough for us at this level based on his performances at this level and not the Championship. Where have I said I don't trust the management picking the right team and tactics? I never said we should pick Schwarzer ahead of him ffs! I'm not saying he's not the best of what we currently have, it doesn't mean we can't bring players into improve there. I think we can improve on De Laet or Simpson too, it doesn't mean I don't trust the management staff picking the team and their tactics - I know you improve on the team gradually not overnight and you should be constantly trying to improve your squad, but GK is definitely one of our weakest positions now and one where we need to improve next. If the paper talk this morning is to believed it looks as if we are looking for another goalkeeper anyway.
Sampson Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 All the keepers mentioned have their flaws and have been known to make questionable decisions. I wouldn't really say KS is much better/worse than any of the names mentioned. If we got any keeper in I don't think KS would sit around on the bench anyways so I think he would leave if someone came in anyways. The comparison wasn't anything to do with age but more of a learning and gaining premier league experience. Up to a few years ago he was slated by Man Utd fans and look where he is now. You honestly think Schmeichel is as good as Butland or Adryan? I know football is subjective, but I think there's massive club bias going on there if so.
EGBFitness Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 Of course the level of opposition has something to do with it! I'm not suggesting at all we should get rid of anyone! But some players have made the step up against better quality opposition, some haven't. I don't see many people defending the suggestion we need to improve on Ritchie De Laet because he played well for us in the Championship. The attackers are better and cleverer at this level, the movement and finishing is better. Of course you judge whether Schmeichel is good enough for us at this level based on his performances at this level and not the Championship. Where have I said I don't trust the management picking the right team and tactics? I never said we should pick Schwarzer ahead of him ffs! I'm not saying he's not the best of what we currently have, it doesn't mean we can't bring players into improve there. I think we can improve on De Laet or Simpson too, it doesn't mean I don't trust the management staff picking the team and their tactics - I know you improve on the team gradually not overnight and you should be constantly trying to improve your squad, but GK is definitely one of our weakest positions now and one where we need to improve next. If the paper talk this morning is to believed it looks as if we are looking for another goalkeeper anyway. I've never said you said we should be picking Schwarzer ahead of KS but as I said 2 different managers have made him their first choice and have had multiple transfer windows to 'strengthen' in that position and haven't so maybe yes you should trust the management. The old RDL comments coming up now let me guess you think Wes should be moved on too? Yes defensively RDL isn't great, he was liable in the championship too but our style of play has put our wing backs a little more prone to exposure. Yes brilliant, a young, inexperienced championship level goalkeeper to answer your prayers I'm sure that will be better option rather than a full international with 18 months experience within the premier league.
EGBFitness Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 You honestly think Schmeichel is as good as Butland or Adryan? I know football is subjective, but I think there's massive club bias going on there if so. Haven't said that he is better but there all not far off the same standard. If your going to strengthen an area why would you decide to have a player who isn't far off the same standard Adrian is prone to making some dodgy decisions and flap on a corner, look at his decisions when we played us for an example
Guest Col city fan Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 The defensive problem isn't Kasper. He's not brilliant but no worse than many other Premiership keepers (and better than many imo). Did you not see Pantillimon drop the ball yesterday or the Villa keeper yet again kick it to Lescott when he should have hoofed it upfield. Goalies make errors like every player on the pitch. It's just when they do they invariably get analysed and often punished. No, why we concede goals is: A. It's the Premiership..Full of dangerous teams who can score goals. B. We play very open and concede and score freely. C. It's probably nearing time the club was looking at bringing through some younger, quicker centre backs to replace especially Morgan who can't go on for ever.
Sampson Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 I've never said you said we should be picking Schwarzer ahead of KS but as I said 2 different managers have made him their first choice and have had multiple transfer windows to 'strengthen' in that position and haven't so maybe yes you should trust the management. The old RDL comments coming up now let me guess you think Wes should be moved on too? Yes defensively RDL isn't great, he was liable in the championship too but our style of play has put our wing backs a little more prone to exposure. Yes brilliant, a young, inexperienced championship level goalkeeper to answer your prayers I'm sure that will be better option rather than a full international with 18 months experience within the premier league. So you think we should just sit still and not try and improve the squad then? You honestly don't think we could improve at right-back as well? I'm not saying these players should all just be sold moved on! But of course we can improve on them. If we find a right back better than De Laet we should improve him. You think we should just keep sticking with him and hope he'll come good? The full international comment is a misnomer. It doesn't mean anything other than Kasper is better than other Danish keepers available.
Sampson Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 Haven't said that he is better but there all not far off the same standard. If your going to strengthen an area why would you decide to have a player who isn't far off the same standard Adrian is prone to making some dodgy decisions and flap on a corner, look at his decisions when we played us for an example Well I disagree they are of a similar standard. Of course every keeper makes dodgy decisions but the difference is how often they happen and Schmeichel has been making them far too often pretty much all season and for the majority of last season up until his injury too.
EGBFitness Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 So you think we should just sit still and not try and improve the squad then? You honestly don't think we could improve at right-back as well? I'm not saying these players should all just be sold moved on! But of course we can improve on them. If we find a right back better than De Laet we should improve him. You think we should just keep sticking with him and hope he'll come good? The full international comment is a misnomer. It doesn't mean anything other than Kasper is better than other Danish keepers available. Yes the squad should be improved and yes all positions should always be reviewed as no one should be guaranteed but obviously some positions are more important to strengthen than goalkeeper, it's in no stretch of the imagination as weak as you make it out to be! Yes right back is not a great position for us and would like it to be strengthen IF the right player is out there, I don't think Simpson had that bad of a game and it's also not as bad as a position as people think it is, let's face it Villa are playing Hutton there still so once again not as weak of a position in the premiership as people make out. Well it kind of does matter as he is the best in his country which is a pretty respectable country to represent. He will go to major tournaments with Denmark and will play against some of the best players in the world too unlike putting your faith in an unknown quality we have been linked with today in the papers. You have failed to make any real solid comments to what makes him such a bad goalkeeper making it a must replace position in Jan and you can't identify any real replacement that is an improvement to what we already have. Do you actually watch the games or just highlights and comments on here?
EGBFitness Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 Well I disagree they are of a similar standard. Of course every keeper makes dodgy decisions but the difference is how often they happen and Schmeichel has been making them far too often pretty much all season and for the majority of last season up until his injury too. As I've said before yes he has made some dodgy decisions (same as every other keeper in this division) but he has also made some important saves for us this season and also the run to survival last year! I think I can remember we could of been 2 down to Sunderland within 10 mins on the opening day if it wasn't for KS? West Ham, Spurs and Villa he made some good saves that could of swung the game in the oppositions favour and lost us the game
Sampson Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 Yes the squad should be improved and yes all positions should always be reviewed as no one should be guaranteed but obviously some positions are more important to strengthen than goalkeeper, it's in no stretch of the imagination as weak as you make it out to be! Yes right back is not a great position for us and would like it to be strengthen IF the right player is out there, I don't think Simpson had that bad of a game and it's also not as bad as a position as people think it is, let's face it Villa are playing Hutton there still so once again not as weak of a position in the premiership as people make out. Well it kind of does matter as he is the best in his country which is a pretty respectable country to represent. He will go to major tournaments with Denmark and will play against some of the best players in the world too unlike putting your faith in an unknown quality we have been linked with today in the papers. You have failed to make any real solid comments to what makes him such a bad goalkeeper making it a must replace position in Jan and you can't identify any real replacement that is an improvement to what we already have. Do you actually watch the games or just highlights and comments on here? Jesus! Yes I go to games! And I never feel fully confident with Schmeichel at this level.I've said several times what I think his weaknesses are! (his positioning, his decision making, his lack of communication with his defence). I never said he was "such a bad goalkeeper". I said we need to improve if we want to move to the next level. I've said I'm not trying to identify a replacement because I don't watch football from all round the world regularly as our scouts do. I'd never heard of Kante or Mahrez before we brought them in. I'm not someone who pretends they watch the Dutch league every week and knows who we could bring in. I identified the keepers of the kind of level in comparison to Schmeichel in the PL as you asked though and we disagreed on that point. No the fact he is a regular for an international side does not say anything other than he is the best in his position for that country. There are several Danish internationals who play below Premier League level. There are several goalkeepers of "respectable" international teams who play below Premier League level.
ANNIEFOX Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 , this young Leicester lad really enjoys the late equalizer against Southampton:
sdb Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 I think Kasper should be sold in January and replaced with a more 'all round keeper'. A few years ago Kasper used to come for all the crosses under the sun and try punch them away, this approach resulted in a few howlers with flapping at crosses and a couple of instances of terrible goals conceded as a result of the flap. This season and last season he has changed. Clearly he has been told to stay rooted to the goal line for every single corner regardless of where the cross ends up, this is the other extreme to his days of trying to punch away everything, and clearly is ineffective. Our defence is also very poor at set pieces too but Kasper magnifies the problem. He simply never ever moves even an inch off his line when the cross comes in to even give himself an opportunity to punch it away should it arise. Does the man not realise that if he comes to punch on occasion it can actually mitigate our defensive weaknesses? A goalkeeper that commands his area does this, a punch from Kasper means he doesn't just rely on our defenders clearing every single set piece. He's a great shot stopper however being a great shot stopper and awful at dealing with crosses is not a great combination for a first choice Premier League goalkeeper. Being a good shot stopper and good at dealing with crosses would be a great improvement. His kicking is also suspect he must kick it straight out for a throw in 2-3 times every match. Sorry Kasper you're a decent first choice Championship keeper or a Premier League benchwarmer for me. Get him replaced with a better player in January and at least one new Centre Back. We could probably get decent cash for Kasper too. Agree and disagree. He is one of our weaker players but as you point out, he's seemingly being told to do things that hinder us to an extent. We need a more commanding keeper but that's something KS and the coaches should be working on, rather than just looking to replace.
trabuch Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 The defensive problem isn't Kasper. He's not brilliant but no worse than many other Premiership keepers (and better than many imo). Did you not see Pantillimon drop the ball yesterday or the Villa keeper yet again kick it to Lescott when he should have hoofed it upfield. Goalies make errors like every player on the pitch. It's just when they do they invariably get analysed and often punished. No, why we concede goals is: A. It's the Premiership..Full of dangerous teams who can score goals. B. We play very open and concede and score freely. C. It's probably nearing time the club was looking at bringing through some younger, quicker centre backs to replace especially Morgan who can't go on for ever. Neither goal yesterday was anything to do with these points.
sdb Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 Chris Kamara saying their 2nd wasn't offside...whilst watching it. Infuriating!
richardsfoxes Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 Happy with the point but feels like we could of got the 3 if Mahrez and Dyer had started, did anyone find out why Ulloa or Kram were not on the bench?
Matt Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 Happy with the point but feels like we could of got the 3 if Mahrez and Dyer had started, did anyone find out why Ulloa or Kram were not on the bench? Ulloa had abit of a knock, can't remember what was wrong exactly, shoulder? As for Kramaric don't know, think his days are numbered personally, whilst Ranieiri is happy Mahrez is unhappy about being dropped, perhaps that article about Kramaric being unhappy and not understanding why he isn't started did him no favours, I think it's clear to see why he isn't starting or even featuring personally, atleast Mahrez has reason to be unhappy given his excellent performances (Yes, 1 or 2 dodgy ones, but he is excellent more than not, Kram is the opposite way round as far as i'm concerned)
Guest Col city fan Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 Neither goal yesterday was anything to do with these points. No of course they weren't. That doesn't mean we concede goals due to these reasons. Set pieces was a problem under Pearson too wasn't it. Knowing that Kasper isn't the tallest, we need to defend set pieces with more savvy.
5waller5 Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 I love Kasper as a character and think he's a half decent keeper ..... We suddenly find ourselves in the top 6 of the PL and I think he's just one of those that looks a little out of his depth ..... He really does need to cut the cross out and command that 6 yard box - not even the 18 yard box (which seems to be a thing of the past for most keepers). But crosses coming in deep are seldom dealt with and I'm sure opposition teams now will exploit that as a tactic. I do think though, that the coaching staff have to answer this ..... I've not seen a keeper get better, more confident or commanding, or grow in stature in the last 10-15 years..... they come to Leicester and don't seem to improve and certainly become less and less likely to deal with a cross.
DeclanMC Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 We're lucky with Schmeichel, in that if the coaching staff act now, they can still instill in him those qualities. The question is though, do they want to or will we stick until the end of the season, where hopefully our final position might give us a good chance of signing a higher quality player. I do love Kasper though, and I'd want him to progress here rather than having someone else brought into replace him.
dedlock Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 No of course they weren't. That doesn't mean we concede goals due to these reasons. Set pieces was a problem under Pearson too wasn't it. Knowing that Kasper isn't the tallest, we need to defend set pieces with more savvy. Conceding those 2 from set pieces yesterday you do wonder what happens in training. Don't the players want CR to treat them to pizza?
HighPeakFox Posted 18 October 2015 Posted 18 October 2015 Quite. Got a bit carried away there. Felt like 7 though! To be fair to you, include Spurs and Bournemouth and you're spot on
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