UK population 'to top 70 million in 12 years'

[MPH]

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/migrants-uk-overview has 7.8 million foreign born nationals living in the UK 2013

 

 

 

So the Uk is actually about 200k people better off!

[davieG]

It's not as simple as that is it, I'd imagine that most people that have left GB to go abroad have jobs or are self sufficient financially that can't be said for those coming here.

 

Also those leaving are going to many different places so their impact is diluted. There's less impact on the culture etc of those countries perhaps with the exception of Spain which is more to do with holidaying than anything else.

 

I'm fairly sure it costs us more to take people in at least in the beginning.

 

Immigration/emigration is extremely complex and so is it's impact and cant simple be dismissed by a simple equation of those in = those out.

[MPH]

It's not as simple as that is it, I'd imagine that most people that have left GB to go abroad have jobs or are self sufficient financially that can't be said for those coming here.

 

Also those leaving are going to many different places so their impact is diluted. There's less impact on the culture etc of those countries perhaps with the exception of Spain which is more to do with holidaying than anything else.

 

I'm fairly sure it costs us more to take people in at least in the beginning.

 

Immigration/emigration is extremely complex and so is it's impact and cant simple be dismissed by a simple equation of those in = those out.

 

 

 

But if all those Brits returned, you'd still only have the same amount of jobs available and so therefore still the same amount of unemployed people...., Same amount of people needing housing and therefore council housing  because they are unemployed with now no income( possibly more as they wouldn't be grouped together in an asylum center!)

[davieG]

But if all those Brits returned, you'd still only have the same amount of jobs available and so therefore still the same amount of unemployed people....

Well I think it impacts on a lot more than just jobs, it just isn't that simple.

 

Leicester has changed beyond all recognition during my lifetime it's like another world, sure it would have changed anyway but nothing as dramatic as it has done especially when viewed against areas were there has been little or no immigration.

 

Whether it's a good or a bad thing is subjective and down to the individual.

 

I'm not against immigration per se I just don't believe it's been managed or that politicians have been or are honest about it's impact.

 

Anyway nothing is going to change the way it's going so there's really no benefit in discussing it.

[MPH]

Well I think it impacts on a lot more than just jobs, it just isn't that simple.

 

Leicester has changed beyond all recognition during my lifetime it's like another world, sure it would have changed anyway but nothing as dramatic as it has done especially when viewed against areas were there has been little or no immigration.

 

Whether it's a good or a bad thing is subjective and down to the individual.

 

 

 

Fair points.

[bovril]

It's not as simple as that is it, I'd imagine that most people that have left GB to go abroad have jobs or are self sufficient financially that can't be said for those coming here.

 

Source?

 

Honestly though, if I had to make a guess I'd probably come down on your side here. The % of Brits going abroad with concrete job opportunities is probably higher than non-UK citizens. But isn't that to be expected. We are a rich country. Brits are wealthy fvckers. Poor people will move here and the ones who leave will generally go to somewhere where they'll get a similar or higher income. You'd think people would be pleased about that, seems not sometimes. Maybe we should completely tank our economy so the kippers don't have to live next to an Eastern European.

 

I agree with the points you make about the speed of cultural change and there has certainly been ghettoisation in many cities, as well as a rise in the number of people who hold extremely conservatively religious views. I think that's certainly a more worthwhile conversation than the nonsense about benefits and 'nicking' jobs.

[RedSoxUK]

And before anyone moans about immigrants, there are just as many British people living abroad ( myself included) as there are of other nationals living in Britain.. If they all  left then we'd all have to come back. so pipe down.

Different situations, different means; but I see your point.

The US lets in 1m a year? there abouts as I recall, 80k are refugees, the rest come in on work visas and other sorts - H1Bs which are pretty difficult to get in the first place.

To move to the US you either need to marry them on soil, give birth there as a women, be unfortunate (but fortunate) to get refuge, or be extremely skilled above their own population to get the jobs.

 

That just isn't the same here in the UK.

 

Nobody's actually asking for immigrants to leave. As far as I care, if they've got legal residence here then they have a right to do as we do, live as we do, and comment on immigration policy as we do. The entire conversation around immigration, isn't necessarily on 'how many' we take in, but 'what kind' we take in. It's not naive to say the UK should have a policy that allows highly skilled workers to enter and gain residence in the UK, at the same time we should be able to limit the number of unskilled workers coming in from the EU. Thankfully we've actually taken steps with a points-based system for people outside of the EU wanting to come here, but it's not in-place for EU member states.

 

Furthermore, those leaving the UK are of a different ilk, than those coming in.

[davieG]

Source?

 

Honestly though, if I had to make a guess I'd probably come down on your side here. The % of Brits going abroad with concrete job opportunities is probably higher than non-UK citizens. But isn't that to be expected. We are a rich country. Brits are wealthy fvckers. Poor people will move here and the ones who leave will generally go to somewhere where they'll get a similar or higher income. You'd think people would be pleased about that, seems not sometimes. Maybe we should completely tank our economy so the kippers don't have to live next to an Eastern European.

 

I agree with the points you make about the speed of cultural change and there has certainly been ghettoisation in many cities, as well as a rise in the number of people who hold extremely conservatively religious views. I think that's certainly a more worthwhile conversation than the nonsense about benefits and 'nicking' jobs.

Hence my use of the phrase "I'd imagine"

 

Yes I don't think that jobs is an issue at all which has been subjected to much greater problems like technology and cheaper production costs abroad.

 

I do wonder sometimes how we even survive as country as judging by the 'ordinary folk' who appear on TV very few seem to do a job that would actually earn this country some money.

[MPH]

To be fair i think Britains main issue is its Size. There's only so much land you can build on. There's only so big you can make the cities.

[MooseBreath]

We're going to need good migrants to pay for that ageing population. Either that or find a way to get pensioners back to productive work. Raise the pension age to 75ish? Withdraw state pension benefits as of tomorrow maybe.

[Guest MattP]

I'd do that just to see the look on Ken's face.

We neede to work out this population thing eventually, the needing of vast numbers of young people to pay for pensioners and so on is no sort of long term plan at all.

This country clearly doesn't have the Infrastructure for 70 million people and certainly doesn't have the finance to build it.

[Dr The Singh]

I'd do that just to see the look on Ken's face.

We neede to work out this population thing eventually, the needing of vast numbers of young people to pay for pensioners and so on is no sort of long term plan at all.

This country clearly doesn't have the Infrastructure for 70 million people and certainly doesn't have the finance to build it.

There's plenty of places on park benches etc for people sleep on.

The next thing the government will do is cut child benefit, single parent allowances, to curb Ken breeding. Getting out of the eurozone will help in migrants comming over.

Or just put bromide in the water

[Webbo]

There's plenty of places on park benches etc for people sleep on.

The next thing the government will do is cut child benefit, single parent allowances, to curb Ken breeding. Getting out of the eurozone will help in migrants comming over.

Or just put bromide in the water

Far cheaper just to chop his knob off.

[RedSoxUK]

I'd do that just to see the look on Ken's face.

We neede to work out this population thing eventually, the needing of vast numbers of young people to pay for pensioners and so on is no sort of long term plan at all.

This country clearly doesn't have the Infrastructure for 70 million people and certainly doesn't have the finance to build it.

 

We could pull a Sweden and eventually have some no-go zones!!! The safest internal option is to start having more kids to curb the aging population.

 

I'm personally not worried about population growth, the 2027 projection will be completely wrong if a Brexit happens. Infrastructure is the main worry, but i'm positive over time we can deal with it.

[Merging Cultures]

I have been having a discussion with a stranger on LBC radio's FB page about charging immigrants and visitors for healthcare.

I agree with the idea, if you haven't paid in, you should either have insurance before coming or be able to demonstrate that you are very wealthy.

The guy on FB said, "Brits in the UK who don't pay tax should pay for their healthcare too". I didn't understand his point so I asked him to clarify. He argued that people who have never worked and live on benefits should pay for their healthcare.

I pointed out his failed logic, that if they are on benefits, they probably do not have money to pay for healthcare.

People are weird.

[fuchsntf]

There's plenty of places on park benches etc for people sleep on.

The next thing the government will do is cut child benefit, single parent allowances, to curb Ken breeding. Getting out of the eurozone will help in migrants comming over.

Or just put bromide in the water

Park Benches...what luxury!! This is the season they get chopped up and burnt for Guy-Fawkes night, the rest for fuel

to keep homeless warm, and soupkitchens.

Not forgetting so they toffs can beat their servants with.

Cut Child benifits, what an horrid thought, how would the fans get down to see the footy on saturdays without it..

[Rincewind]

People are being stopped from sitting on park benches now. If you close your eyes for more than a minute you can be arrested for being a nuisance.

[Great Boos Up]

The Office for National Statistics has been manipulating these figures for decades!

The latest "official" figures say there are just under 64.6 million people in the UK.

B*l!*cks!

It's already at 70 million +

You can classify residents by any means you want to suit your agenda. And if you are politician in government then your agenda is the status quo because your being paid; so look busy. And if you actually want to really change the status quo then it's nearly impossible using an 18th century political system.

 

On the plus side, more people need stuff which we can make and sell to them.

[Dr The Singh]

Park Benches...what luxury!! This is the season they get chopped up and burnt for Guy-Fawkes night, the rest for fuel

to keep homeless warm, and soupkitchens.

Not forgetting so they toffs can beat their servants with.

Cut Child benifits, what an horrid thought, how would the fans get down to see the footy on saturdays without it..

You don't mind the bromide