fleckneymike Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 I actually think the press are overlooking the scale of the job of Claudio Ranieri by claiming that he hasn't changed much. I think his changes, whilst possibly subtle to some, are in fact huge. The reversion to a back 4, and a back 4 which almost never attacks, has been the foundation for our success. The decision to base all out attacking play in the hands of a front 6 has been transformative. The work on break down of play and swift attacking is a huge shift from our previously more pragmatic approach. Our shape without the ball and decision making on when to press is vastly improved. The role of the front two is substantially different also. Yes he is using the majority of last seasons squad, but he is deploying them in a much more sophisticated way. He reacts very quickly to problems on the pitch and exploits weaknesses even more swiftly. To claim he hasn't Tinkered is to ignore all the tinkering he has done.
Larry_LCFC Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 Generally, I don't think we can really fault him in all fairness. As you say, his tinkering has been subtle, but still made a massive impact. Just wish he'd made a sub 10 minutes earlier yesterday. May well have prevented their goal. We looked knackered and fell far too deep and it was coming.
Corky Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 The Tinkerman label is based on him making several changes for each match. It's clear that his influence is shown in tactics, organisation, substitutions, off the ball work. Several players have improved under his management- Morgan, Simpson, Drinkwater, Albrighton have all made strides from this stage last season as well as the much talked about success stories. He hasn't changed the squad hugely or the attacking mentality from the end of last season but we look like a side that is comfortable and confident at this level.
leicesterseddon Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 I actually think the press are overlooking the scale of the job of Claudio Ranieri by claiming that he hasn't changed much. I think his changes, whilst possibly subtle to some, are in fact huge. The reversion to a back 4, and a back 4 which almost never attacks, has been the foundation for our success. The decision to base all out attacking play in the hands of a front 6 has been transformative. The work on break down of play and swift attacking is a huge shift from our previously more pragmatic approach. Our shape without the ball and decision making on when to press is vastly improved. The role of the front two is substantially different also. Yes he is using the majority of last seasons squad, but he is deploying them in a much more sophisticated way. He reacts very quickly to problems on the pitch and exploits weaknesses even more swiftly. To claim he hasn't Tinkered is to ignore all the tinkering he has done. Lots of good observations. The point about the back four rarely attacking is true I think, although not many pick up on it. Also other tactical changes: 1. Always playing Vardy down the middle (Pearson sometimes used him on the wing but CR has never done this) 2. Always playing two upfront (under NP there was a short period around the middle of the season where we played one upfront, even at home) 3. Actually playing Albrighton (who spent long periods last season on the bench) Our style of play is really unusual at the moment: low-possession, high pace, only usually attacking through the front 6. Can hardly think of another side set up like us tbh.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 Couldn't an argument be made that the confidence came from making the greatest escape in Premier League history last season? Claudio has been practically flawless and am chuffed to buggery he is here and doing so well, but it's sort of like the opposite of what he did for Chelsea.
Larry_LCFC Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 Claudio was very lucky in that he came into a team buzzing high on confidence with players in some amazing form. How many managers get that opportunity? Usually managers get sacked when things hit rock bottom. Quite an unusual situation really. He just needed to carry on what was already happening, but with his own spin.
Guest Sharpe's Fox Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 We just look a better side than last season due to a combination of better in game management, more experience at this level and good form. The style of play hasn't really changed much even from when we went up from the Championship, we still have the spine of that side in the first team and the same people behind the scenes. I think it's a case of Claudio being convinced by Leicester City's methods rather than the other way round, which all successful managerial transitions have in common be it at Swansea, Southampton and now Watford.
Thracian Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 Lots of good observations. The point about the back four rarely attacking is true I think, although not many pick up on it. Also other tactical changes: 1. Always playing Vardy down the middle (Pearson sometimes used him on the wing but CR has never done this) 2. Always playing two upfront (under NP there was a short period around the middle of the season where we played one upfront, even at home) 3. Actually playing Albrighton (who spent long periods last season on the bench) Our style of play is really unusual at the moment: low-possession, high pace, only usually attacking through the front 6. Can hardly think of another side set up like us tbh. All the hallmarks of an advanced coach... Producing a system that promotes the strengths of the players while masking their weaknessses, identifying ways in which even good players can improve and being able to recognise the strengths/weaknesses/changes in opposition tactics and adapting accordingly. Haha, some coaches seem to get their badges without really being able to get one out of three let alone a full house!
kyleolly Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 I'm sick of hearing Pearson should take a lot of credit and Mr Ranieri hasn't changed a lot in a similar game last season we lost 3-1 to Chelsea
Meltonfossefox Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 Let's not forget he labelled himself the tinkerman and a long has passed since his days at Chelsea where early day premier league so called superstars needed accommodating by rotation etc and getting in the starting line up regardless of earning it. Granted he's come into a club on a high and nobody can take away the end of last season but the few additions he's made, system change and style of play has been incredible. I think the fact we don't have those mercenary egos is exactly the reason he doesn't have to tinker, il bet our changing room is a breath of fresh air v the one at Chelsea years ago
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 I'm sick of hearing Pearson should take a lot of credit and Mr Ranieri hasn't changed a lot in a similar game last season we lost 3-1 to Chelsea Go support a different team then.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 Why? Because Nigel Pearson took us from our lowest ever position to the greatest escape in premier league history, and managed to walk the championship in the interim, improved us year on year. It's very rare managers get the opportunity to walk in to a team with players in form and full of confidence. Is Ranieri a better tactician? 100%, is he a better manager? Yes, definitely. Does that diminish the things Nigel Pearson did over 5 years to take us from League 1 to Premier League safety against all the odds? No. Are you also sick of hearing how good a manager Martin O'Neill was for us? Like O'Neill I will follow Nigel Pearsons managerial career with keen interest. I am a Nigel Pearson fan because I still remember sitting in the freezing cold on boxing day losing 1-0 to a Rotherham team who were League 2 quality, Nigel turned this club around and Ranieri is taking us to a whole new level, but of course Nigel Pearson was a huge part of us being where we are now, to think otherwise is ridiculous. This isn't an anti Ranieri post, I love the guy and am so happy he is our manager, his character on camera is fantastic, his tactics are brilliant and he's giving me the best season I've had as a Leicester fan, I love Claudio, however if you're 'sick of hearing how Nigel Pearson should take some credit for where we are', at the very least don't come on to the forum and post as you'll see plenty of posts praising him for his service to the club, and rightly so.
Harry - LCFC Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 I'm sick of hearing Pearson should take a lot of credit and Mr Ranieri hasn't changed a lot in a similar game last season we lost 3-1 to Chelsea Pearson's role in this season's success is to have built a squad of capable and highly motivated players. Ranieri said yesterday that the team's spirit is its greatest strength - I think he's right - the players' desire to keep fighting is unparalleled in the league and has won us a lot of points. But it isn't a novel thing for this club. The team demonstrated that same fight, in some way or another, in all three of the previous seasons. I think Pearson has to be credited with instilling that mentality. Ranieri has applied an excellent understanding of tactics and of his players' abilities to approach games in a more effective manner than Pearson did. The examples of his half-time substitutions show how good he is at recognising the failings of the first half and responding appropriately. The two of them have contributed a great deal to our current success and I admire both of them immensely.
Bettsj2 Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 Why? Come on guys seriously? How good are things at the minute and still people want to have this same argument.
kyleolly Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 I wasn't trying to dis what Pearson did for our club I don't think Claudio gets enough credit for what he has done. Ok SGLF I will stop posting on here sir!
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 Sorry Kyle bit harsh on my part and apologies for that, but I get fed up of people trying to undermine what Pearson did for us. What Harry LCFC said is basically what I meant in my post, I admire them both and have huge respect for them both. Would we be in this position if Pearson was still here? Almost definitely not. Claudio has been tactically almost flawless and we are top of the league, but Nigel was a huge part of that in so much as if he hadn't come along when he did we'd likely be a Championship/League 1 or god forbid League 2 club now.
Meltonfossefox Posted 15 December 2015 Posted 15 December 2015 Sorry Kyle bit harsh on my part and apologies for that, but I get fed up of people trying to undermine what Pearson did for us. What Harry LCFC said is basically what I meant in my post, I admire them both and have huge respect for them both. Would we be in this position if Pearson was still here? Almost definitely not. Claudio has been tactically almost flawless and we are top of the league, but Nigel was a huge part of that in so much as if he hadn't come along when he did we'd likely be a Championship/League 1 or god forbid League 2 club now. It's a tricky one because love him or hate him ( I didn't like him and won't go into that) but Pearson certainly has a % of the credit here, not sure how much but totally get what your trying to say he got the ball rolling and did a bloody good job, for my reasons for loving Claudio are 1. Instant bond with fans, 2. (Forget who bought them in or who scouted, it was Claudio's reign) Kante, mahrez new deal, Fuchs steady progress, drinks easily filling in for Esteban. 3. Difference in league position. 4. Plan b always seems to work. Regardless your intended view it was understood
ThaiFox Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 I'm sick of hearing Pearson should take a lot of credit and Mr Ranieri hasn't changed a lot in a similar game last season we lost 3-1 to Chelsea Interesting point.....although last season we were fighting relegation, albeit whilst on a decent run, whilst this season Chelsea are devoid of confidence, fight, team spirit, passion or desire. Whatever anyone says, Ranieri was lucky to inherit a team who had mainly grown together and had a good togetherness and spirit. The test for Ranieri will come as players leave, retire or lose form, and he has to replace them. I'm not trying to defend NP here or give him all the credit for our current position, but just pointing out how I see it after watching LCFC for 50 years! However, Ranieri is pretty much spot on with tactics, has shown good passion, has a lot of style, obviously works well with players and has shown he can improve current players, as previous posters have mentioned. NP took a long time last season to spot the best way to play in the P/L, but Ranieri has picked this up very quickly, which is much to his credit.
MooseBreath Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Pearson - good championship and possibly lower prem manager Ranieri - world class manager Simple
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Pearson laid the foundations, Ranieri has added the wow factor
Soar Fox Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 I'm sick of hearing Pearson should take a lot of credit and Mr Ranieri hasn't changed a lot in a similar game last season we lost 3-1 to Chelsea Last season we beat Stoke away, this season we only drew with Stoke away.
demon_dog Posted 16 December 2015 Posted 16 December 2015 Ssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Don't want anyone to know what the Tinkerman has done with our playing setup. This is our strength, the opposition not realising how subtle a change has been made. Go and stand in a corner at once you naughty boy!
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