Countryfox Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 Another big decision by the ref proved to be wrong afterwards. The sooner we get some form of technology to help the ref the better. Not only does the ref get some much needed help ( what a thankless job!) but it would stop teams being cheated of something they deserve. This 'it evens itself out' crap just doesn't wash ! For me personally it means you don't fume for several days after a wrong decision is made .... Everyone can take a bad result but not when it's based on a wrong decision ! And ! ... It will help stop blatant cheating by some players which for me is one of the most undesirable aspects of our game. What do you think ?
DB11 Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 When we beat West Ham in the cup earlier in the season we got countless decisions in our favour. So I think they do even themselves out. Was still pretty pissed off at the game yesterday though, but no one remembers the decisions we get in our favour
filbertstreet Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 wouldn't matter, all referees are blind so video wouldn't help, maybe get them a little guide dog referee
Countryfox Posted 11 January 2016 Author Posted 11 January 2016 When we beat West Ham in the cup earlier in the season we got countless decisions in our favour. So I think they do even themselves out. Was still pretty pissed off at the game yesterday though, but no one remembers the decisions we get in our favour But that's just what I'm saying ... I don't want it evened out I want it to be right. .... And I do feel sorry for the refs who have to make snap decisions based on a fleeting real time action. Football is big business and too important to rely on this.
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 wouldn't matter, all referees are blind so video wouldn't help, maybe get them a little guide dog referee They'd need to introduce "puncture time" on top of injury time though
Countryfox Posted 11 January 2016 Author Posted 11 January 2016 They'd need to introduce "puncture time" on top of injury time though Witty ! Haven't got a smiley face on this iPad.
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 Not to mention "turd collection time"
stevelcfc Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 As has been said before, the biggest thing that annoys me about yesterdays decision is the fact that, in order to give the decision he, from his position, has had to have guessed. That shouldn't have been the case and is something I would like to see the referees answer for.
snuk Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 look at the highlights you can see it was a bad decision http://soccerhooligan.net/soccerhooligan/4590951084/FA-Cup-Highlights---Tottenham-vs-Leicester/10451738
Number 6 Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 Can see it happening at some point. It's success or failure will depend on how it is implemented. At the moment I'd rather stick with things as they are.
Countryfox Posted 11 January 2016 Author Posted 11 January 2016 Can see it happening at some point. It's success or failure will depend on how it is implemented. At the moment I'd rather stick with things as they are. Hope it will go something like this .... Ref to video bloke "was it deliberate handball ?" No says the VB ... ref doesn't award penalty. Or ... Ref to VB "was he fouled ?" ... Absolutely not says the VB ... send the cheating bast@@rdfcolly off !!!!!!!"
Guest Sharpe's Fox Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 Nige was calling for it last season, the only reason I can see for anyone being against it is so the authorities are able to control a game externally i.e keeping the status quo that big clubs get decisions to ensure success. Might be a bit tinfoil but would anyone be surprised?
Number 6 Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 Hope it will go something like this .... Ref to video bloke "was it deliberate handball ?" No says the VB ... ref doesn't award penalty. Or ... Ref to VB "was he fouled ?" ... Absolutely not says the VB ... send the cheating bast@@rdfcolly off !!!!!!!" Bit idealistic. Look at the debate that surrounded the Bournemouth sending off and penalty. Then look at Rugby etc and how many angles and such the video guy wants to see before confirming. Just can't see it working.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 I wouldn't want it. You win some, you lose some.
4everfox Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 If we had video refereeing then that would make the role of a referee physically being on the pitch pointless. The only way that refereeing mistakes will ever get rectified is by scrapping goals etc. In which case Tottenham's penalty goal would be rescinded and we'd have qualified with a 2-1 despite it finishing 2-2 on the day. Can't see it happening, it would cause more uproar then allowing these decisions to stand even if it is justice and would prevent players from using the diving tactic to win a penalty. I would be in favour for it however.
Carl the Llama Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 If we had video refereeing then that would make the role of a referee physically being on the pitch pointless. The only way that refereeing mistakes will ever get rectified is by scrapping goals etc. In which case Tottenham's penalty goal would be rescinded and we'd have qualified with a 2-1 despite it finishing 2-2 on the day. Can't see it happening, it would cause more uproar then allowing these decisions to stand even if it is justice and would prevent players from using the diving tactic to win a penalty. I would be in favour for it however. You mean like it is in rugby and how umpires have completely disappeared from tennis and cricket? Appeal systems compliment the officials and work much better than having no system at all and just shrugging off errors.
Thracian Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 When we beat West Ham in the cup earlier in the season we got countless decisions in our favour. So I think they do even themselves out. Was still pretty pissed off at the game yesterday though, but no one remembers the decisions we get in our favour It's nothing to do with balancing out it's about getting the decisions right and video technology can help do that. I can't understand why the authorities are so reluctant to use it on something like a three appeals each basis and the referee's reference for penalties/goalline decisions.
Countryfox Posted 11 January 2016 Author Posted 11 January 2016 It's nothing to do with balancing out it's about getting the decisions right and video technology can help do that. I can't understand why the authorities are so reluctant to use it on something like a three appeals each basis and the referee's reference for penalties/goalline decisions. Getting the decision right is exactly it ! Quite like your 3 appeals idea ... That would be interesting .... And anything that helps catch and penalise blatant cheats far outweighs any negatives for me.
4everfox Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 You mean like it is in rugby and how umpires have completely disappeared from tennis and cricket? Appeal systems compliment the officials and work much better than having no system at all and just shrugging off errors. What I meant by that was that it would make being a referee a skill-less job as all of the work is done for you. There needs to be a degree of trust in my opinion. I'd be in favour of refereeing mistakes being reviewed post match and rectified accordingly ie disallowing goals etc. like they do with unjustified red cards.
DB11 Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 The handball though yesterday I bet if it went to a video referee they wouldn't overrule the decision because it's about opinions, and the referee maybe ruled it deliberate? I think only matters of fact will be overruled ie. Offside decision, whether a foul was in/out penalty area. I think whether a challenge is a foul or not is so much down to opinion that you'd risk ruining credibility of the match referee by having a third party overruling an opinion
Carl the Llama Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 What I meant by that was that it would make being a referee a skill-less job as all of the work is done for you. There needs to be a degree of trust in my opinion. I'd be in favour of refereeing mistakes being reviewed post match and rectified accordingly ie disallowing goals etc. like they do with unjustified red cards. Playing on and taking the goals away afterwards would be hugely unfair on the team being penalised. If there's a foul in the build up or it's offside and a manager calls for a review resulting in the goal being disallowed there and then, the team know they need to score and will approach the game differently. Besides, what about things like a player being fouled in the box but the penalty not being given - would you call the teams back for the kick to be taken? If you give teams appeals then the decision can be fairly corrected there and then. I say let each team have 3 appeals, if the appeal's upheld then they get to keep it, if the decision stands then they have 2 appeals left etc. That way if the ref makes a mistake it's also the team's fault for either not spotting it themselves or for having wasted their previous appeals.
Matt Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 When we beat West Ham in the cup earlier in the season we got countless decisions in our favour. So I think they do even themselves out. Was still pretty pissed off at the game yesterday though, but no one remembers the decisions we get in our favour So that makes it right? I don't want things to even themselves out, I want things to be right.
Corky Posted 11 January 2016 Posted 11 January 2016 So many decisions are subjective that I just can't see it working. Have it on the goal-line and possibly offside- they are clear cut. But most penalty decisions come down to interpretation.
Countryfox Posted 11 January 2016 Author Posted 11 January 2016 The handball though yesterday I bet if it went to a video referee they wouldn't overrule the decision because it's about opinions, and the referee maybe ruled it deliberate? I think only matters of fact will be overruled ie. Offside decision, whether a foul was in/out penalty area. I think whether a challenge is a foul or not is so much down to opinion that you'd risk ruining credibility of the match referee by having a third party overruling an opinion I don't think he should necessarily over rule it but give HIS opinion and allow the ref to still make the call. If the video ref is not sure then he leaves it entirely to the ref on the pitch. And I do think if the video ref is used in a potential penalty red card decision it can only help the game ... If he clearly sees a dive and NO contact the offender is straight off and misses a few games for ungentlemanly conduct. Don't you think that would have a massive impact on the incidence of cheating ??? Same when a player gets the slightest of touches and rolls around like he has been hit by a two by four ... It makes my blood boil ... We must try and stop it. And ... I don't think it would make the refs role reduced but enhance it.
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