Fox Ulike Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 Just now, toddybad said: Tell me more about these fantastic positives. Well I for one cannot wait to see the re-introduction of curved cucumbers into Britain. For me, it's not green. It's red, white and fcuking blue mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: So not actually a promise to anybody then? I suppose it's not strictly a promise, more just a lie. 1 minute ago, toddybad said: I think it's a huge shame the lib dems were treated do harshly for the coalition tbh. I actually think they had to go with the tories but if they'd lumped in with labour they wouldn't have been tarnished by the student loan fiasco. I have no idea why people still push this idea, Labour and the Lib Dems didn't have enough seats to form a government in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 If they had lumped in with Labour they would have had the tag of being economically incompetent forever, We would now have been sat in an era with the highest employment in decades, a huge deficit still, probably been cap in hand to the IFS, Very high inflation, public sector strikes for NON payment of wages from a bankrupt nation! It would have been pretty good I guess because at least Corbyn would have never happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 1 minute ago, MattP said: I suppose it's not strictly a promise, more just a lie. I have no idea why people still push this idea, Labour and the Lib Dems didn't have enough seats to form a government in 2010. Corbyn is a pure nobber but come on, it’s not a lie is it? He said to his mate he thought he’d be PM in 6 months. It’s just a very, very dumb prediction. I’m not sure the Lib Dems can ever recover and I cannot see how anyone other than a hard left socialist will ever lead the Labour party again. It’s a scary thought that the absolute shambles that is the Tory party right now is actually in no danger of losing power. I’m quite confident that the Brexit deal we end up with will be total dogshit for everyone but even then, I doubt that would be enough to vote in a Corbyn government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 27 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: The issue here is that those drawers have killed 8 children, and while the tories on here might be ok with having a good old hearty laugh about it, dead children isn't something normal people find remotely acceptable never mind funny. I think if you're laughing at anything to do with this story you need to take a good look at yourself, to be honest. It's sickening. Yes the drawers come with a wall fixing bracket but it's evident that they've not done enough to warn people that they will fall over easily if it isn't used. Its in the bloody instructions. If people are too stupid to read them then the should not be buying furniture and installing it! If they do not use a wall fixing then sadly the death of those 8 children is their parent or guardians fault no one else's. Now I agree the care system lets down many children, it has done for years but having a go at a cheap furniture company for selling a product which clearly states in must be attached to the wall is ridiculous. I think now they even have a sticker warning on the box in red saying it must be fixed to the wall to avoid toppling! What more can they do? Maybe ban stupid people? Its kind of Darwin's theory playing out in the human world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 1 minute ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Corbyn is a pure nobber but come on, it’s not a lie is it? He said to his mate he thought he’d be PM in 6 months. It’s just a very, very dumb prediction. I’m not sure the Lib Dems can ever recover and I cannot see how anyone other than a hard left socialist will ever lead the Labour party again. It’s a scary thought that the absolute shambles that is the Tory party right now is actually in no danger of losing power. I’m quite confident that the Brexit deal we end up with will be total dogshit for everyone but even then, I doubt that would be enough to vote in a Corbyn government. Fair enough, we'll go with dumb prediction. The Tories are still in danger in losing power, I don't envisage the hard-left ever winning a majority (and even if they did it would be a short term) but it's very possible the Tories could slip to a point where a Labour/SNP coalition could be formed over the UK. I do think next time the polls will overestimate Labour again like usual though, rather than underestimate, it was very easy to vote for Corbyn last time out as everyone expected a Tory majority, whether those people with jobs and pensions will do so again this time is another matter, even more so if the Tories do start to loosen the purse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 We don't know what will happen with Brexit yet, no one does no one has a crystal ball no even the depressed Guardian writers. Lets complain about it when we have some hard cast iron decisions which we don't as they are still negotiating. I voted remain and I have seen so much utter crap from both sides it untrue. Both sides UK and EU need each other, so I am fairly confident we can reach a deal. If we can get a decent trade deal then I would fully support paying up to £50 billion. A trade deal is best for all sides. The noises from both sides have been getting more positive over recent weeks so I expect a transition deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 33 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: I hate to do this to you again. I couldn't give a **** to be brutally honest. I have enough experience of the world to know what goes on outside a Guardianista Corbynista bubble. Studies by who and where. Post a link and I can review its quality. Again just because someone has done a study or a had think tank does not make it correct. I could do a study at univ and ask people to suit my agenda its pretty easy. A study by some left wing university academic posted in the Guardian is not fact. You need to learn that. I've never posted a single guardian link on this forum. Studies carried out by reputable organisations are better evidence than your anecdotal experience. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 (edited) It's budget day, the only half interesting day in politics. Probably the most difficult budget for a few years. Given Hammond isn't the most politically savvy I expect he'll drop a bollock somewhere. Will probably not contain much substance tbh. More interested in McDonnell's response, not that it will beat him waving Mao's little red book around in parliament. Edited 22 November 2017 by Kopfkino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 1 hour ago, MattP said: Don't worry @toddybad I don't believe the poll, it did make me laugh though. I am delighted there is no movement towards Labour though even with the current shambles and I'm certain we've now seen peak-Corbyn, he's clearly someone to follow for many but there are still enough people with houses, jobs, pensions etc in my opinion to stop him becoming Prime Minister, the Tory polling can only get better as soon as May goes. The worry is someone realises this, I honestly think a centre-left Labour leader would be 10 points ahead now, even Ed Miliband was 12 points ahead whilst the Conservatives were in government in 2012 Let's be honest, Corbyn has been extremely lucky to come up against what must be the weakest and worst performing Tory government of all time. He has managed to spin his narrow defeat into some form of victory but that fact is, any half competent centre left labour leader would be absolutely trouncing the Tories right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, MattP said: I suppose it's not strictly a promise, more just a lie. I have no idea why people still push this idea, Labour and the Lib Dems didn't have enough seats to form a government in 2010. Did they not? Well there you go, minority coalition government, that'd be interesting! Edited 22 November 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 7 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: I've never posted a single guardian link on this forum. Studies carried out by reputable organisations are better evidence than your anecdotal experience. Cheers. I never said you did just to be clear. Studies are studies they are not so much evidence as they back up your argument which is absolutely fine, does make them true or fact though. I think someone said here somewhere Fuchs maybe that anyone can find a graph or a chart to support any argument. I think we have to agree to disagree on many things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 5 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Let's be honest, Corbyn has been extremely lucky to come up against what must be the weakest and worst performing Tory government of all time. He has managed to spin his narrow defeat into some form of victory but that fact is, any half competent centre left labour leader would be absolutely trouncing the Tories right now. This is true. It's hard to know what to think with the polls now though as they've been proven so spectacularly wrong over at last the last 3 major polls. Let's not forget labour were about 15 points behind on the eve of the election in some polls. We could be anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 7 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Let's be honest, Corbyn has been extremely lucky to come up against what must be the weakest and worst performing Tory government of all time. He has managed to spin his narrow defeat into some form of victory but that fact is, any half competent centre left labour leader would be absolutely trouncing the Tories right now. Chuka Umunna? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 17 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: Its in the bloody instructions. If people are too stupid to read them then the should not be buying furniture and installing it! If they do not use a wall fixing then sadly the death of those 8 children is their parent or guardians fault no one else's. Now I agree the care system lets down many children, it has done for years but having a go at a cheap furniture company for selling a product which clearly states in must be attached to the wall is ridiculous. I think now they even have a sticker warning on the box in red saying it must be fixed to the wall to avoid toppling! What more can they do? Maybe ban stupid people? Its kind of Darwin's theory playing out in the human world. There is one image which depicts a falling set of drawers. No words. No written warning. It's quite evident that this hasn't been enough to prevent the deaths of those 8 children. Malm drawers, see for yourself http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_US/customer_service/assembly_instructions.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 8 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Let's be honest, Corbyn has been extremely lucky to come up against what must be the weakest and worst performing Tory government of all time. He has managed to spin his narrow defeat into some form of victory but that fact is, any half competent centre left labour leader would be absolutely trouncing the Tories right now. Absolutely. A centre left economically confident leader and front bench would make Labour a serious alternative to vote for. At present its either the current shambles where things tick along steadily or complete economic disaster with the far left. The need to get back to the centre left to give a serious challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 Anyone feeling their age or hating trivia should scroll on.... Labour's shadow education secretary Angela Rayner has become a grandmother at 37: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42078457 Whatever you think of her politics or personality (I'm not a massive fan), she deserves credit for getting where she has after becoming a Mum at 16. Good for parliament to have MPs with a broader range of experiences, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 7 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Let's be honest, Corbyn has been extremely lucky to come up against what must be the weakest and worst performing Tory government of all time. He has managed to spin his narrow defeat into some form of victory but that fact is, any half competent centre left labour leader would be absolutely trouncing the Tories right now. Extremely lucky, I didn't see it at the time but in hindsight the adulation thrown on Corbyn was absolutely ridiculous, he had just led his party to an election defeat but as he had managed to take expectations so low during his tenure he was able to spin it as some sort of victory, getting back to a two party election gave him and May the get out line of saying "look how much my vote share has gone up". He won just four more seats than Gordon Brown did and was getting standing ovations in parliament and going on a victory tour that culminated in Glastonbury, it was mental. 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: Did they not? Well there you go, minority coalition government, that'd be interesting! No, the media often repeat this insinuation that there could have been a Lab-Lib coalition in 2010 as well which is very irresponsible of them - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010 Labour won 258 seats, the Liberals won 57 - eleven short of a parliamentary majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 2 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: There is one image which depicts a falling set of drawers. No words. No written warning. It's quite evident that this hasn't been enough to prevent the deaths of those 8 children. Malm drawers, see for yourself http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_US/customer_service/assembly_instructions.html Maybe I am looking a the wrong one but I see the following text on page 2: ENGLISH Important! This furniture must be fixed to the wall with the enclosed wall fastener. Different wall materials require different types of fixing devices. Use fixing devices suitable for the walls in your home (not included). If you are uncertain about what type of screw or fitting to use, please contact your hardware store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 2 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Anyone feeling their age or hating trivia should scroll on.... Labour's shadow education secretary Angela Rayner has become a grandmother at 37: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42078457 Whatever you think of her politics or personality (I'm not a massive fan), she deserves credit for getting where she has after becoming a Mum at 16. Good for parliament to have MPs with a broader range of experiences, too. There used to be an old Bernard Manning joke about a council estate where they had the "Happy 40th Gran" signs up. Grandparent at 37, I can't even get my head around that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheppyFox Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 Pah political opinion is usually invalid, you don’t have the full story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 7 minutes ago, MattP said: Extremely lucky, I didn't see it at the time but in hindsight the adulation thrown on Corbyn was absolutely ridiculous, he had just led his party to an election defeat but as he had managed to take expectations so low during his tenure he was able to spin it as some sort of victory, getting back to a two party election gave him and May the get out line of saying "look how much my vote share has gone up". He won just four more seats than Gordon Brown did and was getting standing ovations in parliament and going on a victory tour that culminated in Glastonbury, it was mental. No, the media often repeat this insinuation that there could have been a Lab-Lib coalition in 2010 as well which is very irresponsible of them - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010 Labour won 258 seats, the Liberals won 57 - eleven short of a parliamentary majority. I think it was more the victory over the bile and lies against Corbyn in the mainstream media that was celebrated. It was for me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 Just now, Fox Ulike said: I think it was more the victory over the bile and lies against Corbyn in the mainstream media that was celebrated. It was for me anyway. Where was the victory? He lost the election and won just 4 more seats than Gordon Brown against the worst Tory campaign in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 Just now, MattP said: Where was the victory? He lost the election and won just 4 more seats than Gordon Brown against the worst Tory campaign in history. I think it was more the victory over the bile and lies against Corbyn in the mainstream media that was celebrated. It was for me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 9 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: Maybe I am looking a the wrong one but I see the following text on page 2: ENGLISH Important! This furniture must be fixed to the wall with the enclosed wall fastener. Different wall materials require different types of fixing devices. Use fixing devices suitable for the walls in your home (not included). If you are uncertain about what type of screw or fitting to use, please contact your hardware store. No idea what youre looking at. The malm drawers have no such warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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