Rogstanley Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Webbo said: You're serious about this? I thought you were trolling. It's the tories fault now that Ikea are selling furniture? Heaven forbid anyone should criticise your beloved Tories Webbo. We all know they can do absolutely no wrong in your eyes. Rest easy - it wasn’t a direct criticism of the Tories. Don’t worry - you won’t have to play the white knight coming to their rescue, this time. It’s just that I happen to think the continued sale of a product that kills children is a symptom of - at best - a woefully ineffective regulatory environment, and the fact that all of you Tories have had a good laugh about it is a symptom of a sick society. Edited 22 November 2017 by Rogstanley
Carl the Llama Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 14 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Heaven forbid anyone should criticise your beloved Tories Webbo. We all know they can do absolutely no wrong in your eyes. Rest easy - it wasn’t a direct criticism of the Tories. Don’t worry - you won’t have to play the white knight coming to their rescue, this time. It’s just that I happen to think the continued sale of a product that kills children is a symptom of - at best - a woefully ineffective regulatory environment, and the fact that all of you Tories have had a good laugh about it is a symptom of a sick society. Rog I've found great insight from a lot of the things you've had to say in this thread but you seriously let yourself down whenever you resort to casting these blanket aspersions against anybody who dares to hold right-wing opinions, talking as though voting Tory is demonstrable evidence that a person is evil and the enemy of all good folk everywhere. Considering that I'm on record as getting heavily exasperated at the team politics approach from certain right-wing posters in here it would be astoundingly hypocritical of me to quietly sit by while you do the same. 18 minutes ago, Webbo said: .The only thing wrong with this govt is that they don't have a majority. A small rebellion can derail their programme so they have to appease a minority, Of course they look weak but that's what the electorate decided and if we had another election next week we'd get a similar result again. That's about the only thing right with it! 2
Webbo Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 26 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Heaven forbid anyone should criticise your beloved Tories Webbo. We all know they can do absolutely no wrong in your eyes. Rest easy - it wasn’t a direct criticism of the Tories. Don’t worry - you won’t have to play the white knight coming to their rescue, this time. It’s just that I happen to think the continued sale of a product that kills children is a symptom of - at best - a woefully ineffective regulatory environment, and the fact that all of you Tories have had a good laugh about it is a symptom of a sick society. I think you should go and have a lie down mate.
Rogstanley Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Webbo said: I think you should go and have a lie down mate. Dunno why you bothered replying then really if you’ve got nothing to say about it. Edited 22 November 2017 by Rogstanley
Rogstanley Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 14 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Rog I've found great insight from a lot of the things you've had to say in this thread but you seriously let yourself down whenever you resort to casting these blanket aspersions against anybody who dares to hold right-wing opinions, talking as though voting Tory is demonstrable evidence that a person is evil and the enemy of all good folk everywhere. Considering that I'm on record as getting heavily exasperated at the team politics approach from certain right-wing posters in here it would be astoundingly hypocritical of me to quietly sit by while you do the same. That's about the only thing right with it! Fair enough but if you look at the ‘haha’s given to the mocking posts you’ll see it’s a who’s who of foxestalk Tories. 2
Carl the Llama Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 6 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Fair enough but if you look at the ‘haha’s given to the mocking posts you’ll see it’s a who’s who of foxestalk Tories. I'm not sure which comments you mean but I imagine you're reading them in the wrong tone because I've just gone back and only found a couple which I think might fit your description (didn't look that hard tbf): 19 hours ago, Strokes said: The solid wood stuff is still about, I don’t have any flat pack shit in my house. You can buy it from auctions for peanuts and it hasn’t killed anyone. Ikea customers shouldn’t be allowed to vote imo. and 8 hours ago, MattP said: Budget day and the politics thread has turned into a discussion the contents of the IKEA instruction book The first is less a case of "mocking" and more a case of making light of the story and playing on a previous comment in the thread. In fact I missed it earlier and the only reason I didn't rep it myself just now is in case this is indeed one of the posts you meant and repping it makes me one of the who's who of our resident Tories... That said the second comment is one I did see earlier and I already repped it for being funny because the whole back and forth about what is and isn't in the IKEA instruction manual was a genuinely bizarre conversation to witness so maybe it's already too late for me and I might as well rep that first post too and take to walking around wearing a boater, chinos and blazer with a blue rosette on it. 1
Rogstanley Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 11 hours ago, MattP said: "Hello Mr Parsons can I see your card?, 95 years old I see, I just want to say thank you, I can't imagine what it must have been like having to be fighting a war for 6 years, storming those beaches in Normandy, running into what must have felt like almost certain death to give the people of your country a life where they won't be ruled by fascism, I bet you have some stories to tell don't you? You are voting leave? - What's your address? WHAT? can't remember your own address?, FFS, I'd stop you voting if I could, selfish bastard fcuking up my future " God forbid we let those who have lived their lives in and outside of the European Union decide what they think is best. I think you can fairly safely assume most people who actually fought in the war would have been remainers, given the unprecedented level of peace the EU bought to our shores, so be careful what you wish for.
Rogstanley Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 16 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: I'm not sure which comments you mean but I imagine you're reading them in the wrong tone because I've just gone back and only found a couple which I think might fit your description (didn't look that hard tbf): and The first is less a case of "mocking" and more a case of making light of the story and playing on a previous comment in the thread. In fact I missed it earlier and the only reason I didn't rep it myself just now is in case this is indeed one of the posts you meant and repping it makes me one of the who's who of our resident Tories... That said the second comment is one I did see earlier and I already repped it for being funny because the whole back and forth about what is and isn't in the IKEA instruction manual was a genuinely bizarre conversation to witness so maybe it's already too late for me and I might as well rep that first post too and take to walking around wearing a boater, chinos and blazer with a blue rosette on it. You’re still upset because I had a go at you for putting chilli in your bolognese, aren’t you?
Guest MattP Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 19 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: I think you can fairly safely assume most people who actually fought in the war would have been remainers, given the unprecedented level of peace the EU bought to our shores, so be careful what you wish for. Why on earth would you safely assume that when all research conducted into the vote came to the same conclusion that the older you were the more likely you were to vote out? I was in the Thurmaston RLBC a few weeks and it didn't seem like a bastion of EU fanaticism.
Rogstanley Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Why on earth would you safely assume that when all research conducted into the vote came to the same conclusion that the older you were the more likely you were to vote out? I was in the Thurmaston RLBC a few weeks and it didn't seem like a bastion of EU fanaticism. Most WWII vets are sadly passed away as you know. The current older generation you’re referring to are mostly baby boomers. They didn’t know the suffering of war, they’ve known nothing but privilege really. Of course war vets, with all they went through, are hardly likely to support breaking up a union that bought about peace.
Webbo Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 12 minutes ago, MattP said: Why on earth would you safely assume that when all research conducted into the vote came to the same conclusion that the older you were the more likely you were to vote out? I was in the Thurmaston RLBC a few weeks and it didn't seem like a bastion of EU fanaticism. I go in there every week, which probably means it is. Edit: Actually I misread that as fascism, the joke doesn't really work.
Guest MattP Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Most WWII vets are sadly passed away as you know. The current older generation you’re referring to are mostly baby boomers. They didn’t know the suffering of war, they’ve known nothing but privilege really. Of course war vets, with all they went through, are hardly likely to support breaking up a union that bought about peace. Well the older generation doesn't exclude them, I'd be interested in seeing the evidence you have most veterans voted remain, it's an opinion I've not heard before and one that flies in the face of the research conducted into the vote. No rush as I'm off anyway, Wednesday is YouTube night down the Connie Club where we watch videos of IKEA cabinets falling onto children on the big screen - only joking, we don't have a big screen. Edited 22 November 2017 by MattP
Guest Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 37 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: You’re still upset because I had a go at you for putting chilli in your bolognese, aren’t you? He did what? Heathen.
Rogstanley Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, MattP said: Well the older generation doesn't exclude them, I'd be interested in seeing the evidence you have most veterans voted remain, it's an opinion I've not heard before and one that flies in the face of the research conducted into the vote. No rush as I'm off anyway, Wednesday is YouTube night down the Connie Club where we watch videos of IKEA cabinets falling onto children on the big screen - only joking, we don't have a big screen. I suppose we’ll never know. Of those that spoke publicly, some supported brexit, some supported remain. But I do genuinely think if you’ve suffered the horrors of war, you’d value that thing which has prevented it from happening again more than most. If nothing else it’s interesting how ‘peace’ didn’t rate at all in the referendum, whereas I believe that was the main selling point when we joined, when more vets were still alive. Complacency? Good joke, so far it has been haha’d at by the self confessed gay-hater wymswold, I look forward to seeing who else makes the list. Edited 22 November 2017 by Rogstanley 1
Strokes Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 12 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Good joke, so far it has been haha’d at by the self confessed gay-hater wymswold, I look forward to seeing who else makes the list. Wow, what a baby. 1 2
Guest MattP Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 16 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: I suppose we’ll never know. Of those that spoke publicly, some supported brexit, some supported remain. But I do genuinely think if you’ve suffered the horrors of war, you’d value that thing which has prevented it from happening again more than most. If nothing else it’s interesting how ‘peace’ didn’t rate at all in the referendum, whereas I believe that was the main selling point when we joined, when more vets were still alive. Complacency? Good joke, so far it has been haha’d at by the self confessed gay-hater wymswold, I look forward to seeing who else makes the list. I think you would have to be of a hugely pro-remain mindset already to be of the opinion that the EU was the main reason for peace in the West rather than NATO, not to mention things like the UN which also have huge influence. I certainly dont think we could "safely assume" most voted remain (The BBC has one article when I Googled it saying one veteran is "going against the grain" and backing remain so they hold the same opinion I do that most would be leavers) but as you say though we'll never know for sure. We might soon get to see just how good the EU is in keeping the peace in Spain. Let's hope not. Thanks for the compliment on the joke.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 33 minutes ago, MattP said: No rush as I'm off anyway, Wednesday is YouTube night down the Connie Club where we watch videos of IKEA cabinets falling onto children on the big screen - only joking, we don't have a big screen. Sounds a better night out than at the Thurmaston RLBC!
Webbo Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 17 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Sounds a better night out than at the Thurmaston RLBC! Don't knock it, it not often I feel like the young trendy one nowadays. 1
Buce Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 48 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: I suppose we’ll never know. Of those that spoke publicly, some supported brexit, some supported remain. But I do genuinely think if you’ve suffered the horrors of war, you’d value that thing which has prevented it from happening again more than most. If nothing else it’s interesting how ‘peace’ didn’t rate at all in the referendum, whereas I believe that was the main selling point when we joined, when more vets were still alive. Complacency? Good joke, so far it has been haha’d at by the self confessed gay-hater wymswold, I look forward to seeing who else makes the list. Come on, man, lighten up a little. A good joke is a good joke, regardless of your feelings toward the comedian. 1
Rogstanley Posted 22 November 2017 Posted 22 November 2017 20 minutes ago, Buce said: Come on, man, lighten up a little. A good joke is a good joke, regardless of your feelings toward the comedian. I wasn't really being that serious, to be honest.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 23 November 2017 Posted 23 November 2017 10 hours ago, MattP said: Here's McDonnell on the BBC, Andrew Neil taking him apart - first question is how much is the current interest on our debt, didn't know. Now he's saying companies he wants to nationalise only make money because they rip off customers but they are somehow going to be taking it into government, made it cheaper and make enough to pay off the bonds. This is the shadow chancellor and he's being serious. 9 hours ago, MattP said: Neil: How much do we spend on debt interest? Mcdonnell: I'll send you the answer, I know its gone down. Neil: It's gone up. How anyone can seriously put this man into number 11 is beyond me. Corbyn is dangerous. McDonnell is rabid dangerous. God forbid these pair get any power. 4
Buce Posted 23 November 2017 Posted 23 November 2017 As living standards face longest fall since records began, the rich get richer: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/23/uk-fall-living-standards-resolution-foundation-budget https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/23/higher-rate-uk-taxpayers-gain-most-in-budget-changes
ealingfox Posted 23 November 2017 Posted 23 November 2017 This gratuitous use of the word dangerous is getting a bit embarrassing guys. You don't agree with their policies, fine. But let's not pretend there'll be Stalin-esque dragging of people from their beds and widespread mass corruption or anything like that, it's a bit silly really. 2
Guest MattP Posted 23 November 2017 Posted 23 November 2017 18 minutes ago, ealingfox said: This gratuitous use of the word dangerous is getting a bit embarrassing guys. You don't agree with their policies, fine. But let's not pretend there'll be Stalin-esque dragging of people from their beds and widespread mass corruption or anything like that, it's a bit silly really. They are dangerous though, I mean just read this article (especially after yesterday) - this is Corbyn's right hand man. It's madness. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/aug/02/warcrimes.serbia
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 23 November 2017 Posted 23 November 2017 Very Dangerous Indeed. Seamus Milne is a massive bellend, he really needs repeatedly punching in the face.
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