Webbo Posted 2 December 2017 Posted 2 December 2017 24 minutes ago, GaelicFox said: the south and EU don’t want a border and you obviously never lived in ireland prior to the GFA , there was a hard border despite the the CTA the UK wants to leave the EU and secure her borders , the UK will have to solve this equation , if the UK leave an open border in Ireland how on earth will it stop smuggling and people trafficking ? Dundalk will be the new Calais with immigrants queuing up to get into the land of milk and honey . Nope your 100% wrong this is Mays issue to solve and there will be NO brexit trade talks of any worth until the Irish border issue is solved and agreed. This is the conundrum the EU and pro-remain MPs have been waiting for Why would you fly to Ireland and cross the border when you could just fly directly into the UK? No one's proposing visas for Eu citizens.
Guest Posted 2 December 2017 Posted 2 December 2017 35 minutes ago, GaelicFox said: the south and EU don’t want a border and you obviously never lived in ireland prior to the GFA , there was a hard border despite the the CTA the UK wants to leave the EU and secure her borders , the UK will have to solve this equation , if the UK leave an open border in Ireland how on earth will it stop smuggling and people trafficking ? Dundalk will be the new Calais with immigrants queuing up to get into the land of milk and honey . Nope your 100% wrong this is Mays issue to solve and there will be NO brexit trade talks of any worth until the Irish border issue is solved and agreed. This is the conundrum the EU and pro-remain MPs have been waiting for Tbf I can't see that many people queuing at the border to escape into the EU.
Guest Posted 2 December 2017 Posted 2 December 2017 15 minutes ago, MattP said: If we are seriously trying to stay in the single market us offering up 40 million as a divorce payment is the most bizarre political strategy ever employed. MP's wouldn't even vote for an amendment to keep us in the customs union, if the whole thing is a charade that falls down and sees us remaining under the jurisdiction of the ECJ, not able to discuss independent trade and still with open borders to the EU27 you'll see a political revolt like no other. There is no logical way I see parliament voting to keep us in the single market. I also can't see parliament allowing a no deal or hard Brexit solution. I actually don't think we'll stay in the single market but think we'll end up conceding so much ground that we'll agree to keep broad regulatory equivalence with the EU. The divorce payment will really be more like ongoing payments into the EU budget to give us limited access lounge the Canadians have. Basically, we'll be worse off and you still won't be happy. Nobody will be happy. The government will try everything to claim it as a real Brexit though. None of this should really be a surprise - teresa may has history of this sort of thing and the first EU leak last year suggested she wanted to pull the UK out then opt back in to virtually everything in such a way as the public don't see it as that. She did the same thing in the home office where she pulled us out of something to fanfare then secretly signed us straight back up.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 2 December 2017 Posted 2 December 2017 2 hours ago, toddybad said: I also can't see parliament allowing a no deal or hard Brexit solution. I actually don't think we'll stay in the single market but think we'll end up conceding so much ground that we'll agree to keep broad regulatory equivalence with the EU. The divorce payment will really be more like ongoing payments into the EU budget to give us limited access lounge the Canadians have. Basically, we'll be worse off and you still won't be happy. Nobody will be happy. The government will try everything to claim it as a real Brexit though. None of this should really be a surprise - teresa may has history of this sort of thing and the first EU leak last year suggested she wanted to pull the UK out then opt back in to virtually everything in such a way as the public don't see it as that. She did the same thing in the home office where she pulled us out of something to fanfare then secretly signed us straight back up. To be fair to her, she doesnt really have another option.
leicsmac Posted 2 December 2017 Posted 2 December 2017 17 hours ago, Lionator said: It appears that Mr Rees-Mogg has been hanging out with a certain Steve Bannon. Oh dear. Just seen this - I sincerely hope this isn't the case, and if it is JRM took a good long chemical shower afterwards. What, exactly, was he thinking when he thought that would be a good idea?
Guest Posted 2 December 2017 Posted 2 December 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Now lads THIS is a poll That would be lovely but I'm still paying no attention to polls right now. Bi-elections are what we need to see the way things are going. Survation have been giving labour significant leads for months. Edited 2 December 2017 by Guest
Buce Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Now lads THIS is a poll 7 hours ago, toddybad said: That would be lovely but I'm still paying no attention to polls right now. Bi-elections are what we need to see the way things are going. Survation have been giving labour significant leads for months. Come off it guys, stick to the FT rules - you know the only polls that count are the ones that show Labour failing to capitalise on the worst govt in history. Anything else must be passed off as ‘you can’t trust polls any more’. Edited 3 December 2017 by Buce
GaelicFox Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 7 hours ago, toddybad said: That would be lovely but I'm still paying no attention to polls right now. Bi-elections are what we need to see the way things are going. Survation have been giving labour significant leads for months. Bi-elections are always a protest vote And this pollster company only major one that called the GE16 correct 1
Guest MattP Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 3 hours ago, Buce said: Come off it guys, stick to the FT rules - you know the only polls that count are the ones that show Labour failing to capitalise on the worst govt in history. Anything else must be passed off as ‘you can’t trust polls any more’. But we know that poll is bollocks, the have had Labour miles in front since the election which the Tories won.
Guest Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 36 minutes ago, MattP said: But we know that poll is bollocks, the have had Labour miles in front since the election which the Tories won. Nobody 'won'....
Guest MattP Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 Just now, toddybad said: Nobody 'won'.... The Conservatives came first. They didn't win a majority.
Guest Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 10 minutes ago, MattP said: The Conservatives came first. They didn't win a majority. So nobody won. It's a fptp system and nobody got ptp.
Guest MattP Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 5 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Weren't you guys saying the other week saying this was fake news from Morgan Stanley and he wasn't a threat? Now he's on video himself admitting it. Imagine actually voting for a guy who is openly telling you he's going to attack the sector that produces 13% of the tax take - imagine voting it and then genuinely believing we'll have more money to spend on public services if he is in charge, completely and utterly mental. Still, at least he's going to bring in those voters who still assumed he's in the pockets of the bankers
Izzy Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 12 minutes ago, toddybad said: So nobody won. It's a fptp system and nobody got ptp. Conservatives won the most seats IIRC and are currently in Government. I’d class that as a win 1
Guest Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Conservatives won the most seats IIRC and are currently in Government. I’d class that as a win Izzy clear off, I'm just winding him up! Edited 3 December 2017 by Guest
Guest Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, MattP said: Weren't you guys saying the other week saying this was fake news from Morgan Stanley and he wasn't a threat? Now he's on video himself admitting it. Imagine actually voting for a guy who is openly telling you he's going to attack the sector that produces 13% of the tax take - imagine voting it and then genuinely believing we'll have more money to spend on public services if he is in charge, completely and utterly mental. Still, at least he's going to bring in those voters who still assumed he's in the pockets of the bankers Imagine voting for Brexit and then writing the above..... Edited 3 December 2017 by Guest
Strokes Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: Izzy clear off, I'm just winding him up! Bantz 1
Guest MattP Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 7 minutes ago, toddybad said: Imagine voting for Brexit and then writing the above..... But I don't mind saying I'm prepared to take a financial hit to repatriate powers back to our government. You lot genuinely are trying to claim Labour policy will result in a increase in the tax take which is total nonsense.
Strokes Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: But I don't mind saying I'm prepared to take a financial hit to repatriate powers back to our government. You lot genuinely are trying to claim Labour policy will result in a increase in the tax take which is total nonsense. http://uk.businessinsider.com/bank-of-england-richard-sharp-warns-uk-government-debt-2017-12?r=US&IR=T
Guest Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 5 minutes ago, MattP said: But I don't mind saying I'm prepared to take a financial hit to repatriate powers back to our government. You lot genuinely are trying to claim Labour policy will result in a increase in the tax take which is total nonsense. It really isn't 2 minutes ago, Strokes said: http://uk.businessinsider.com/bank-of-england-richard-sharp-warns-uk-government-debt-2017-12?r=US&IR=T Debt is expressed in GDP. Economists generally look for debt to GDP to be below 77%. We are currently above 77%. If you make GDP bigger this reduces the %. It is important, therefore, you ensure debt taken on is focused on growth bearing policies. The labour policies are exactly that. Creation of an investment bank which directs infrastructure spending across the nation is a brilliant idea. The current government has been focused on deficit reduction at the expense of GDP and growth. If you want us to be resilient come the next financial crisis, we need an economy that works for everybody across the entire nation.
Rogstanley Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 33 minutes ago, MattP said: Weren't you guys saying the other week saying this was fake news from Morgan Stanley and he wasn't a threat? Now he's on video himself admitting it. Imagine actually voting for a guy who is openly telling you he's going to attack the sector that produces 13% of the tax take - imagine voting it and then genuinely believing we'll have more money to spend on public services if he is in charge, completely and utterly mental. Still, at least he's going to bring in those voters who still assumed he's in the pockets of the bankers Not sure what you mean by the first paragraph sorry. Also not sure where you get 13% from. It's 5.4% according to the latest PWC report on the subject: https://www.ukfinance.org.uk/2017-total-tax-contribution-of-the-uk-banking-sector/ About 60% of the tax take from the banking sector comes from a combination of the bank levy (introduced by the conservatives), the bank surcharge (introduced by the conservatives) and VAT (increased from 15% to 20% by the conservatives), so if you're against increasing taxes on the banks, I don't know what you're doing voting conservative. I've looked but sadly can't find what percentage of overall UK profits are made by the banking sector. In my mind if you're making 5.4% of the profit then paying 5.4% of the tax is fair. I suspect thought that the sector makes a fair bit more of the profit than that.
Guest Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 It is far too simplistic to view the stock market crash as the single cause of the Great Depression. A healthy economy can recover from such a contraction. Long-term underlying causes sent the nation into a downward spiral of despair. First, American firms earned record profits during the 1920s and reinvested much of these funds into expansion. By 1929, companies had expanded to the bubble point. Workers could no longer continue to fuel further expansion, so a slowdown was inevitable. While corporate profits, skyrocketed, wages increased incrementally, which widened the distribution of wealth. The richest one percent of Americans owned over a third of all American assets. Such wealth concentrated in the hands of a few limits economic growth. The wealthy tended to save money that might have been put back into the economy if it were spread among the middle and lower classes. Middle class Americans had already stretched their debt capacities by purchasing automobiles and household appliances on installment plans. The unprecedented prosperity of the 1920s was suddenly gone, the Great Depression was upon the nation, and breadlines became a common sight. There were fundamental structural weaknesses in the American economic system. Banks operated without guarantees to their customers, creating a climate of panic when times got tough. Few regulations were placed on banks and they lent money to those who speculated recklessly in stocks. Agricultural prices had already been low during the 1920s, leaving farmers unable to spark any sort of recovery. When the Depression spread across the Atlantic, Europeans bought fewer American products, worsening the slide. When President Hoover was inaugurated, the American economy was a house of cards. Unable to provide the proper relief from hard times, his popularity decreased as more and more Americans lost their jobs. His minimalist approach to government intervention made little impact . The economy shrank with each successive year of his Presidency. As middle class Americans stood in the same soup lines previously graced only by the nation's poorest, the entire social fabric of America was forever altered.
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