Sharpe's Fox Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 2 hours ago, MattP said: But we know that poll is bollocks, the have had Labour miles in front since the election which the Tories won. Labour will be on 50% in the election next year.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 1 hour ago, Rogstanley said: Great vid. Tells you why the crisis occurred, who was responsible and what he's going to do about it all in a confident and priministerial way. The boy. 1
Rogstanley Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 10 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Great vid. Tells you why the crisis occurred, who was responsible and what he's going to do about it all in a confident and priministerial way. The boy. I don't think it would harm him to do more videos like that. They allow him to address people directly, avoiding the usual spin traditional media put on everything he says. It's probably the best platform for him to reach younger people anyway. Maybe he needs to start a vlog!
Guest Kopfkino Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 1 hour ago, MattP said: Weren't you guys saying the other week saying this was fake news from Morgan Stanley and he wasn't a threat? Now he's on video himself admitting it. Imagine actually voting for a guy who is openly telling you he's going to attack the sector that produces 13% of the tax take - imagine voting it and then genuinely believing we'll have more money to spend on public services if he is in charge, completely and utterly mental. Still, at least he's going to bring in those voters who still assumed he's in the pockets of the bankers It's ruionous and genuinely scary. He wants to attack an industry where we have massive comparative advantage, an sector for which we have the world's leading City, which contributes massive amounts to GDP, taxes, employment etc. I'm just glad I'll be fairly mobile labour and able to get out from a country built on envy. I feel for those at the bottom who can't move so freely.
Guest Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 11 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: It's ruionous and genuinely scary. He wants to attack an industry where we have massive comparative advantage, an sector for which we have the world's leading City, which contributes massive amounts to GDP, taxes, employment etc. I'm just glad I'll be fairly mobile labour and able to get out from a country built on envy. I feel for those at the bottom who can't move so freely. It's the fact that there's a bottom who can't move freely that we need a change of direction. The rest of your post is rubbish. Genuinely scary my arse. Perhaps having a country whose economy isn't based on one square mile of land would be a good idea in future?
Rogstanley Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 15 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: It's ruionous and genuinely scary. He wants to attack an industry where we have massive comparative advantage, an sector for which we have the world's leading City, which contributes massive amounts to GDP, taxes, employment etc. I'm just glad I'll be fairly mobile labour and able to get out from a country built on envy. I feel for those at the bottom who can't move so freely. 5.5% of the tax as per previous post Looking at some other reports, financial services of which banking is just a sub-sector contribute around 8% of GDP and 3% of jobs. Are these numbers "massive"? I'd say "useful" would be more accurate. Banking makes a useful contribution, not massive imo.
Guest MattP Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 20 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: It's ruionous and genuinely scary. He wants to attack an industry where we have massive comparative advantage, an sector for which we have the world's leading City, which contributes massive amounts to GDP, taxes, employment etc. I'm just glad I'll be fairly mobile labour and able to get out from a country built on envy. I feel for those at the bottom who can't move so freely. Same here, although if he does win a majority I won't shed any tears, people get the government they deserve. The good news in a democracy is we'll probably know if he's coming to power so you can make the relevant financial arrangements etc so he can't get his grubby envy ridden hands on it. If the young and worse off vote to make themselves poorer because they can't stand to see others doing well I can't have any sympathy with them. They've been warned.
Guest MattP Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: 5.5% of the tax as per previous post Looking at some other reports, financial services of which banking is just a sub-sector contribute around 8% of GDP and 3% of jobs. Are these numbers "massive"? I'd say "useful" would be more accurate. Banking makes a useful contribution, not massive imo. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38218662 11.5% More than 70 billion a year, over half the cost of the NHS. But who needs healthcare eh? Attack the bankers! The fact people are entertaining the idea we attack this sector is incredible, good luck is all I'll say. Edited 3 December 2017 by MattP
Guest Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Same here, although if he does win a majority I won't shed any tears, people get the government they deserve. The good news in a democracy is we'll probably know if he's coming to power so you can make the relevant financial arrangements etc so he can't get his grubby envy ridden hands on it. If the young and worse off vote to make themselves poorer because they can't stand to see others doing well I can't have any sympathy with them. They've been warned. Lolz Why does it have to be envy to think the rich could contribute more in an incredibly unequal society?
Rogstanley Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 Just now, MattP said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38218662 11.5% More than 70 billion a year, over half the cost of the NHS. But who needs healthcare eh? Attack the bankers! That's financial services which includes all sorts of things. Corbyn was just talking about banking. The best approximations I can come up with now based on the reports I've read are, the banking sector 5.5% of the tax A proportion of 8% of GDP A proportion of 3% of jobs The contribution is no bigger than other sectors like construction or manufacturing.
Guest Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, MattP said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38218662 11.5% More than 70 billion a year, over half the cost of the NHS. But who needs healthcare eh? Attack the bankers! A few per cent on corporation tax and high end earners is an attack but allowing wages of public services workers to fall in real terms and reducing tax credits and benefits (meaning that the working poor are worse off even after upping the income tax starting point) somehow isn't in your head? Let's keep reducing their taxes? We'll bail them out each time they get too greedy and our ordinary people can pay through austerity and attacks on our public sector. Yeah, sod it, let's keep giving them preferential treatment. Edited 3 December 2017 by Guest
Webbo Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 34 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: It's ruionous and genuinely scary. He wants to attack an industry where we have massive comparative advantage, an sector for which we have the world's leading City, which contributes massive amounts to GDP, taxes, employment etc. I'm just glad I'll be fairly mobile labour and able to get out from a country built on envy. I feel for those at the bottom who can't move so freely. Corbyn won't get in. It's alright telling pollsters you going to vote Labour when there's no election in the offing because you don't like the tories but no one's going to vote for that crank if there's a chance he might win. 1
Guest Kopfkino Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 13 minutes ago, toddybad said: It's the fact that there's a bottom who can't move freely that we need a change of direction. The rest of your post is rubbish. Genuinely scary my arse. Perhaps having a country whose economy isn't based on one square mile of land would be a good idea in future? I hardly came from the top and I've managed to get into a position of upward mobility. Granted that will be ruined by Corbyn if he comes before 2022. Tbh I'm all for the bottom being able to get themselves out of the country when they see Corbyn's mess, don't you worry about that. I'll put a sign in the window of my Swiss apartment saying "refugee's welcome" and have some of Twining's finest waiting for them. Yeah great idea, lots of countries tend to attack the industry for which they have a comparative advantage and are 2nd in the world for.
Guest Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 8 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: I hardly came from the top and I've managed to get into a position of upward mobility. Granted that will be ruined by Corbyn if he comes before 2022. Tbh I'm all for the bottom being able to get themselves out of the country when they see Corbyn's mess, don't you worry about that. I'll put a sign in the window of my Swiss apartment saying "refugee's welcome" and have some of Twining's finest waiting for them. Yeah great idea, lots of countries tend to attack the industry for which they have a comparative advantage and are 2nd in the world for. Look out, it's the bogeyman!
Carl the Llama Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 11 minutes ago, MattP said: Same here, although if he does win a majority I won't shed any tears, people get the government they deserve. The good news in a democracy is we'll probably know if he's coming to power so you can make the relevant financial arrangements etc so he can't get his grubby envy ridden hands on it. If the young and worse off vote to make themselves poorer because they can't stand to see others doing well I can't have any sympathy with them. They've been warned. I'm not sure how much of a threat many people will see this as. When people feel they stand to gain nothing by reinforcing the status quo and have very little to lose by fighting against it you get a revolution. Call it the Trump effect if you like. 1 minute ago, Kopfkino said: I hardly came from the top and I've managed to get into a position of upward mobility. Granted that will be ruined by Corbyn if he comes before 2022. Tbh I'm all for the bottom being able to get themselves out of the country when they see Corbyn's mess, don't you worry about that. I'll put a sign in the window of my Swiss apartment saying "refugee's welcome" and have some of Twining's finest waiting for them. Yeah great idea, lots of countries tend to attack the industry for which they have a comparative advantage and are 2nd in the world for. You mean like when we voted Brexit and made them all start moving assets to EU cities?
Sharpe's Fox Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 When you fight for social justice all your life you're a traitor and hate Britain. When you're a gambling addict and bet other people's money you are an integral part of the country to the point of when you're absolutely goosed you get bailed out with more of other people's money. Sorry I don't make the rules. 1
Rogstanley Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 4 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: When you fight for social justice all your life you're a traitor and hate Britain. When you're a gambling addict and bet other people's money you are an integral part of the country to the point of when you're absolutely goosed you get bailed out with more of other people's money. Sorry I don't make the rules. Strong and stable = being cucked at every opportunity by bankers 1
Guest Kopfkino Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 17 minutes ago, Webbo said: Corbyn won't get in. It's alright telling pollsters you going to vote Labour when there's no election in the offing because you don't like the tories but no one's going to vote for that crank if there's a chance he might win. You have more faith than I. We have a history of keeping extremism at bay but the alternative is so uninspiring that people may well just say **** it and take the chance. Much like Brexit. The thing is his next manifesto will actually have to stand up to scrutiny so he's ****ed. All the Conservatives need to do is offer free cheeseburgers to some students at ex-poly's and it should keep him away. 6 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: You mean like when we voted Brexit and made them all start moving assets to EU cities? Yeah the meltdown from Remainers about that but when it's Corbyn causing a bigger shift it's all good cos those bastard bankers making money. For the record, leaving the EU will enhance our financial services industry and actually it might just be that being out of the EU means it will be able to tolerate Corbyn's attacks a bit more before fleeing.
Guest MattP Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 8 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: I'm not sure how much of a threat many people will see this as. When people feel they stand to gain nothing by reinforcing the status quo and have very little to lose by fighting against it you get a revolution. Call it the Trump effect if you like. Possible. But will the people with jobs, pensions really tick that Labour box again when deep down they know its going to bring about huge debt, job losses and treasury tax reduction? As I've said before, was easy to vote for JC last time, everyone assumed he had lost, this time he can win so be assured a lot more shy Tories will fly out.
Carl the Llama Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 Just now, Kopfkino said: Yeah the meltdown from Remainers about that but when it's Corbyn causing a bigger shift it's all good cos those bastard bankers making money. Please show me where anybody arguing for Corbyn has said that. The argument revolves around tax take, stop being childish. Just now, Kopfkino said: For the record, leaving the EU will enhance our financial services industry You may believe that but it's not a fact, it's very much up for discussion right now and even if it does bolster the finance companies it could end up being at the expense of our country with the laws and taxes we put in place to keep them so I'm going to give it time on that one and see what happens. 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Possible. But will the people with jobs, pensions really tick that Labour box again when deep down they know its going to bring about huge debt, job losses and treasury tax reduction? As I've said before, was easy to vote for JC last time, everyone assumed he had lost, this time he can win so be assured a lot more shy Tories will fly out. If they're ticking that box it's because deep down they believe it will improve the country not bring about the destruction you claim much like how Trump voters believed they were voting to drain the swamp. How right you or they are is up in the air right now with all the Brexit uncertainty muddying the political waters imo. 1
Guest Kopfkino Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 6 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Please show me where anybody arguing for Corbyn has said that. The argument revolves around tax take, stop being childish. You may believe that but it's not a fact, it's very much up for discussion right now and even if it does bolster the finance companies it could end up being at the expense of our country with the laws and taxes we put in place to keep them so I'm going to give it time on that one and see what happens. If you're on about this thread, then there isn't anyone who said it explicitly (like the bus really). However, life exists beyond this thread and it very much exists. Corbyn's whole video is a rant of envy with untruths like Morgan Stanley's CEO pays himself 21.5m. An attack on his pay phrased such that he decides it himself. Just like there's an attack on anyone that makes more than about £2.50. Nope you're quite correct, I forget I must spell things out exactly. "For the record, I believe". You're quite right, if Corbyn, or May for that matter, has much to do with it, Brexit will not be better for the industry.
The Doctor Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 2 hours ago, toddybad said: The current government has been focused on deficit reduction at the expense of GDP and growth. Focusing on growing GDP above all else is just as bad though - remember that if you judge purely on increased GDP, wars are good (more military spending), more fixed odds terminals driving people into poverty are good, destruction of our environment is good. Obviously though, war, poverty and the destruction of the earth are pretty bad things, but GDP is not a good metric for the health of a country.
SMX11 Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 3 hours ago, Rogstanley said: Well that is the biggest load of shit I have seen for a while. Is god emperor Corbyn going to abolish 'greed'? The economy is rigged but he won't fundamentally change things other than rigging it for his special interests until he runs out of money, then no doubt he will blame some other bogeyman for his shortcomings.
Guest Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Focusing on growing GDP above all else is just as bad though - remember that if you judge purely on increased GDP, wars are good (more military spending), more fixed odds terminals driving people into poverty are good, destruction of our environment is good. Obviously though, war, poverty and the destruction of the earth are pretty bad things, but GDP is not a good metric for the health of a country. None of those things are creating money or increasing gdp. Edited 3 December 2017 by Guest
leicsmac Posted 3 December 2017 Posted 3 December 2017 7 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Focusing on growing GDP above all else is just as bad though - remember that if you judge purely on increased GDP, wars are good (more military spending), more fixed odds terminals driving people into poverty are good, destruction of our environment is good. Obviously though, war, poverty and the destruction of the earth are pretty bad things, but GDP is not a good metric for the health of a country. Yeah. Desiring consistent perpetual growth on a finite planet is a little foolhardy tbh. Though the people who really want this growth (for themselves) already know this and don't care. Regarding a little of what was said earlier, there is some similarity in the populism within the Trump and Corbyn voting blocs - someone essentially saying to people "look, the system is broken, let's do something entirely different because what do you have left to lose?" Of course, given their drastic differences in policy that's pretty much where the similarity ends.
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