Fox Ulike Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Buce said: It tells you that. Under the heading What is relative poverty?. Ahh OK so: The report's reference to relative poverty means that a family has an income of less than 60% of median income for their family type, after housing costs. For couples with no children, this is an income anything less than £248 a week. For a single person with no children, it is anything less than £144. For a couple with two children, aged five and 14, an income of less than £401 a week is considered relative poverty, whilst a single parent with children of the same age would be in poverty if they had less than £297 per week. So for a couple with no children that works out as an annual income of £12.8k after your housing costs. 2 hours ago, Strokes said: For @Rogstanley As you can see, its not only the very wealthiest doing ok. A couple with no children on minimum wage, working 40 hours a week, slot in the 7th decile by the skin of their teeth. And @strokes are you saying that that puts you in the 7th decile? Is that about right? Just trying to work this all out... Edited 4 December 2017 by Fox Ulike
leicsmac Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 Interesting debate on money and motivation going on here. For me, money is just another means of gaining and exercising power - one of the more effective ones, certainly, but hardly the only one. Some people are honest about what they do with that power, some try to cover it up with some veneer of justification, and there are a precious few who don't let that power corrupt them and are actually altruistic despite the power having more money than most gives. It's a problem with human nature in general, not just money. If we weren't the way we were in the first place, we wouldn't need such a system to keep score and get that lovely warm feeling from being "better" than the other guy.
The Doctor Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42217735 Sounds like the DUP are sinking any concessions to protect the good Friday agreement and the invisible border...
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 2 hours ago, Buce said: Unfortunately, their children are living in the same poverty and they don't deserve it. And the only answers to that are sterilisation, removal of the children, or accept that in any given society there are going to be people who are effectively unemployable and, if for no other reason, for the sake of their children, we will support them with the basic needs of life. Yeah I do agree but I’m not sure just throwing money at it solves anything. Their are some good community services that have fallen to the cuts and it is a shame. Labours sure start centres were brilliant at helping educate and support young families. But we have to also acknowledge that if the support system is too generous people willingly fall into the net and despite being able too, take the easy option. There doesn’t seem to be any middle ground with politics these days but there really should be.
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 8 minutes ago, The Doctor said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42217735 Sounds like the DUP are sinking any concessions to protect the good Friday agreement and the invisible border... Hurrah!
filthyfox Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 We concede on the Irish border point.... We concede that we will give you 40 billion quid.....We concede ti let your workers in WHAT'S THE ****ING POINT?
Guest Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Strokes said: For @Rogstanley As you can see, its not only the very wealthiest doing ok. A couple with no children on minimum wage, working 40 hours a week, slot in the 7th decile by the skin of their teeth. When you take reductions in tax credits and in work benefits into account, the couple you are talking about are very significantly poorer. Edited 4 December 2017 by Guest
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 2 hours ago, Fox Ulike said: Ahh OK so: The report's reference to relative poverty means that a family has an income of less than 60% of median income for their family type, after housing costs. For couples with no children, this is an income anything less than £248 a week. For a single person with no children, it is anything less than £144. For a couple with two children, aged five and 14, an income of less than £401 a week is considered relative poverty, whilst a single parent with children of the same age would be in poverty if they had less than £297 per week. So for a couple with no children that works out as an annual income of £12.8k after your housing costs. And @strokes are you saying that that puts you in the 7th decile? Is that about right? Just trying to work this all out... Yeah by the figures provided I’m in the 7th decile.
Guest Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 36 minutes ago, Strokes said: Yeah I do agree but I’m not sure just throwing money at it solves anything. Their are some good community services that have fallen to the cuts and it is a shame. Labours sure start centres were brilliant at helping educate and support young families. But we have to also acknowledge that if the support system is too generous people willingly fall into the net and despite being able too, take the easy option. There doesn’t seem to be any middle ground with politics these days but there really should be. Sorry, this is bollocks. Easy option of what? The number of people claiming benefits and not working is vastly smaller than the number receiving benefits because we live in a world where people like you think it acceptable that you can work full time and still not get paid enough to live on.
The Doctor Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 6 minutes ago, filthyfox said: We concede on the Irish border point.... We concede that we will give you 40 billion quid.....We concede ti let your workers in WHAT'S THE ****ING POINT? There's no point in the first place tbf. But, not breaking an agreement thats kept peace in a powder keg for near on two decades, not getting a reputation as a country that ignores committed financial obligations if it doesn't fancy them anymore, and not just dismissing a big chunk of our workforce are good reasons to concede.
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: When you take reductions in tax credits and in work benefits into account, the couple you are talking about are very significantly poorer. What is wrong with you this week? That chart accounts for all that, it’s titled impact of tax and benifits and you provided it. Are you ok mate? 1
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: Sorry, this is bollocks. Easy option of what? The number of people claiming benefits and not working is vastly smaller than the number receiving benefits because we live in a world where people like you think it acceptable that you can work full time and still not get paid enough to live on. I’m going to ignore this because I think you are stressed out enough, you need to go meditate or something. 1
GaelicFox Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 Well well I wasn’t wrong after all m the Irish question has destroyed the deal
Guest MattP Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 Impressed with Leo Varadkar in that press conference, good news is we actually had agreed a deal so there is something to work on, quite clear it's the DUP that are the problem. Biggest problem with a special status for Northern Ireland is Scotland would want the same. It can't really happen no matter how "invisible" the border is. Could end up seeing this go to parliament and daring the DUP to vote it down.
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 6 minutes ago, GaelicFox said: Well well I wasn’t wrong after all m the Irish question has destroyed the deal I think you have picked every side of the fence in the last 18 months, it would have been nigh on impossible for you not to have not got something right
Guest Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 10 minutes ago, Strokes said: I’m going to ignore this because I think you are stressed out enough, you need to go meditate or something. The government's own social mobility Commission.- including the tory members - have just walked out en masse saying the government is making no progress.
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Impressed with Leo Varadkar in that press conference, good news is we actually had agreed a deal so there is something to work on, quite clear it's the DUP that are the problem. Biggest problem with a special status for Northern Ireland is Scotland would want the same. It can't really happen no matter how "invisible" the border is. Could end up seeing this go to parliament and daring the DUP to vote it down. It’s not this vote that the government would fear losing, its DUPs support in other areas. They could potentially bring down this weak government and they know it. Rock and a hard place. There are very few options available to Theresa May now.
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 5 minutes ago, toddybad said: The government's own social mobility Commission.- including the tory members - have just walked out en masse saying the government is making no progress. Terrible innit?
leicsmac Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 6 minutes ago, Strokes said: It’s not this vote that the government would fear losing, its DUPs support in other areas. They could potentially bring down this weak government and they know it. Rock and a hard place. There are very few options available to Theresa May now. Serious question for you and others on here - do you foresee another General Election within the next six months given this and other factors?
Guest Kopfkino Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: Terrible innit? He loves it really, anything so he can have a good whinge.
Guest MattP Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 6 minutes ago, Strokes said: It’s not this vote that the government would fear losing, its DUPs support in other areas. They could potentially bring down this weak government and they know it. Rock and a hard place. There are very few options available to Theresa May now. I bet Foster agreed to this originally and then was lent on, I can't for minute believe May went with this to Juncker without consulting her.
Guest MattP Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 2 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Serious question for you and others on here - do you foresee another General Election within the next six months given this and other factors? Absolutely no chance. The Tories aren't going to vote for an election when they are behind in the polls.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 3 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Serious question for you and others on here - do you foresee another General Election within the next six months given this and other factors? There is genuinely 0 chance of an election before the end of 2019
Guest MattP Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 11 minutes ago, Strokes said: It’s not this vote that the government would fear losing, its DUPs support in other areas. They could potentially bring down this weak government and they know it. Rock and a hard place. There are very few options available to Theresa May now. There is no chance of the DUP bringing the Tories down whilst a load of Republicans are at the top of the Labour party.
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MattP said: Absolutely no chance. The Tories aren't going to vote for an election when they are behind in the polls. How many Tory rebels are in the cross party quisling group? We could certainly see a leadership challenge in the next few weeks. Edited 4 December 2017 by Strokes
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