Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

The point is that satisfactory is not a word we should apply to our Primary schools.  They should all be good, and if they are not then they need to do something about it.  Its pretty simple.  Words are important.

Simply calling all the schools that used to be satisfactory 'good' doesn't have any real affect other than to change the word so the government can make false claims about the scale of improvements. 

 

Given that there is now no satisfactory and all those schools are now called good how do you distinguish between a school that is actually good and one that is not shit but is satisfactory?

 

By classifying those schools as good it removes the incentive for them to improve.

 

Also, my daughter's school ended each day earlier this year as it couldn't afford the extra teacher time for a proper finish. It also begs for money from parents for books etc. It isn't the only one.

 

Free schools are failing at an alarming rate.

 

This government has set education back decades.

Edited 30 April 2018 by Guest

[Alf Bentley]

12 hours ago, toddybad said:

Soft Brexit = SM and CU

Hard Brexit = No Deal

In between = continuum 

 

3 hours ago, MattP said:

Do you not class being outside the SM/CU as hard Brexit like most Remainers? 

 

Looks like we can have a Brexit that suits us both. Good times.

 

 

We need a new categorization system to avoid such confusion.

 

I propose:

SM/CU = Mildly Pointless Brexit

Agreement, outside SM/CU = Disastrous Brexit

No Deal = Armageddon Brexit

 

[Guest MattP]

4 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

We need a new categorization system to avoid such confusion.

 

I propose:

SM/CU = Mildly Pointless Brexit

Agreement, outside SM/CU = Disastrous Brexit

No Deal = Armageddon Brexit

 

Reminds me of the Lib Dems and the Greens around the election last year in trying to outdo each other in terms of language, Lib Dems started with the original Hard Brexi, Greens tried to up it to "extreme Brexit" - then the SNP jumped in with "radical Brexit"

 

I'm amazed no one came forward with "Nazi Brexit" by the end of it.

 

You certainly have my agreement on the "Mildly Pointless Brexit" though, BINO is a perfect term for it. (Brexit in name only)

[Guest Kopfkino]

Sajid Javid as new Home Secretary. Hopefully can restart his leadership bid.

 

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

Sajid Javid as new Home Secretary. Hopefully can restart his leadership bid.

 

He's one of the better Tories. At least recognises real problems in the real world. I assume he's a remainer?

[Guest Kopfkino]

1 minute ago, toddybad said:

He's one of the better Tories. At least recognises real problems in the real world. I assume he's a remainer?

 

Well he always seemed to be a bit of a Eurosceptic but did campaign to remain. Since the referendum he's taken up the Gove position more. Certainly has been vocal in leaving CU.

[ealingfox]

What's interesting about Javid is that his head is perfectly spherical. It's fascinating.

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

 

 

We need a new categorization system to avoid such confusion.

 

I propose:

SM/CU = Bullshit Brexit

Agreement, outside SM/CU = Acceptable Brexit

No Deal = Utopian Brexit

 

 

[Bellend Sebastian]

25 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

What's interesting about Javid is that his head is perfectly spherical. It's fascinating.

A good quality for a minister, I'd have thought.

 

I enjoyed Stewart Lee's somewhat cruel description of Amber Rudd yesterday, who "looks like she is wearing a rubber Halloween mask based on her own face"

Edited 30 April 2018 by Bellend Sebastian

[Nick]

I’m not in Political agreement with Javid but I’ll say this - I respect his achievements and his background. Certainly a Tory who has real life experience and not a privileged toff from another world.

 

Good luck to him.

[Guest MattP]

The last 12 months saw Amber Rudd and this as the Home Secretary and the Shadow Home Secretary, what an absolute mess.

 

 

Edited 30 April 2018 by MattP

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, MattP said:

The last 12 months saw Amber Rudd and this as the Home Secretary and the Shadow Home Secretary, what an absolute mess.

 

 

I can't bring myself to look

[Guest Foxin_mad]

14 minutes ago, MattP said:

The last 12 months saw Amber Rudd and this as the Home Secretary and the Shadow Home Secretary, what an absolute mess.

 

https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/990872821558599680

Seriously Labour need to sort themselves out. Its a joke. They should be ceasing on this opportunity but the front bench is so incompetent and incoherent it is untrue. Its time to accept that an extremist leftist, arsenal supporting corduroy wearing Islington elitist with no real world experience has had his day, surrounded by his merry band of yes man twats like Chris Williamson. Its been good for comedy value but we need some semblance of competency in the opposition for the good of the country. 

Edited 30 April 2018 by Foxin_mad

[Guest MattP]

4 minutes ago, toddybad said:

I can't bring myself to look

Well you should, that's the alternative government right there.

 

That's why you can't even lead in the polls against this absolutely shambles in power now.

Edited 30 April 2018 by MattP

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, MattP said:

Well you should, that's the alternative government right there.

 

That's why you can't even lead in the polls against this absolutely shambles in power now.

I couldn't resist in the end. It wasn't even a hard question. I'm not sure anybody knows why JC keeps her on the front bench. 

 

But if having a useless MP in the cabinet was a reason not to vote for a party then presumably you wouldn't be voting tory either?

[Guest MattP]

9 minutes ago, toddybad said:

I couldn't resist in the end. It wasn't even a hard question. I'm not sure anybody knows why JC keeps her on the front bench. 

 

But if having a useless MP in the cabinet was a reason not to vote for a party then presumably you wouldn't be voting tory either?

At the minute the only reason I can think of to vote Tory is to keep the hard-left from running the country, I have no enthusiam at all for the current government.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

3 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

The point is that satisfactory is not a word we should apply to our Primary schools.  They should all be good, and if they are not then they need to do something about it.  Its pretty simple.  Words are important.

 

Interesting... if all schools become 'good' does that term not lose the primacy of its meaning... resulting in all schools by default then becoming satisfactory? Can good only be described if its appears alongside a necessary bad? 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

1 hour ago, Swan Lesta said:

I’m not in Political agreement with Javid but I’ll say this - I respect his achievements and his background. Certainly a Tory who has real life experience and not a privileged toff from another world.

 

Good luck to him.

You know he's an ex-banker right? 

 

Didn't realise he had lived in Bristol during his childhood though and went to Downend School - that was the rival school to my Managotsfield School. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sajid_Javid

[Guest Kopfkino]

6 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

You know he's an ex-banker right? 

 

Didn't realise he had lived in Bristol during his childhood though and went to Downend School - that was the rival school to my Managotsfield School. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sajid_Javid

 

Is banking not real life?

[Nick]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

The last 12 months saw Amber Rudd and this as the Home Secretary and the Shadow Home Secretary, what an absolute mess.

 

 

I actually think she’s had a stroke. If I’m not mistaken you can hear an aid in the background promoting her and she is repeating word for word what she is saying. It’s all a bit sad.

[Alf Bentley]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

Well you should, that's the alternative government right there.

 

That's why you can't even lead in the polls against this absolutely shambles in power now.

 

Hard to argue with that, to be honest.

 

I think Corbyn & McDonnell would be nowhere near as radical or reckless as some fear once they faced the reality of power with consequences, had access to civil service advice on policy impact etc.

With them in Downing Street, I'd expect a slightly bumpy ride with a few policy disasters or U-turns, but also some surprisingly successful policies (maybe like a left-wing mirror image of Trump).

I can quite understand floating voters disgusted with the Tories shying away from a Corbyn alternative, though - especially with all the footage of far left purple prose / red meat for the grassroots that's available.

 

Ignoring political bias for a minute, though, purely on the level of competence, it's hard to imagine them being any more incompetent than this Tory bunch (or Cameron's before them - I hated Thatcher's policies but at least she knew what she was doing most of the time).

[Bellend Sebastian]

When referring to the new Home Secretary, please make sure to use his full title of Son of Pakistani Bus Driver Sajid Javid.

 

See also: Former Electrician Stuart Pearce

[Strokes]

29 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

When referring to the new Home Secretary, please make sure to use his full title of Son of Pakistani Bus Driver Sajid Javid.

 

See also: Former Electrician Stuart Pearce

Former painter and decorator Phil Gee.

[Bellend Sebastian]

Just now, Strokes said:

Former painter and decorator Phil Gee.

Weirdly, I was going to include that but thought one football reference was enough.

 

I always wondered if he was any good at it

[Strokes]

Just now, Bellend Sebastian said:

Weirdly, I was going to include that but thought one football reference was enough.

 

I always wondered if he was any good at it

Probably anyone can throw paint at a wall, eh @Webbo