Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

[Guest Kopfkino]

7 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

You appear to completely misunderstand the term Incel given both JRM and Gove are married.

 

And Mrs JRM is a conveyor belt of sprogs

[Stadt]

6 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

 

Robert Peston even, types - how he speaks, with giant, unnecessary, pauses every

 

where.

 

 

 

 

The                           twat

[Guest Kopfkino]

7 minutes ago, toddybad said:

Another remainer free to vote against the government too 

 

Doubt it actually. Very marginal seat that voted 55% to leave

[Guest]

Just now, Kopfkino said:

 

Doubt it actually. Very marginal seat that voted 55% to leave

I'm only gently fishing for strokes tbf

 

On another note, do you think Claude Puel will need more or less pressure for the same outcome? Is he Rudkin's human shield?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

@Wookie

 

Peston is a bit of Twat... but I’ve come to like his quirky but reassuring style. 

 

I also think he’s both one of the best journalists at getting inside political info AND one of the most balanced.

[Guest Kopfkino]

3 minutes ago, toddybad said:

I'm only gently fishing for strokes tbf

 

On another note, do you think Claude Puel will need more or less pressure for the same outcome? Is he Rudkin's human shield?

 

Rudkin has buried himself so far up Vichai's arse that Vichai is his shield.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

@Wookie

 

Peston is a bit of Twat... but I’ve come to like his quirky but reassuring style. 

 

I also think he’s both one of the best journalists at getting inside political info AND one of the most balanced.

I quite like peston.

Edited 29 April 2018 by Guest

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

May’s in BIG trouble here - and the defence of Rudd makes it even tougher.

 

The focus will now be on her tomorrow, Tuesday and Wednesday.

 

That negative press surely won’t be helpful for the locals on Thursday - meaning she may have to ride out Friday and the weekend with yet more negative press. 

 

And its clear, plenty are now gunning for her.

 

Had Rudd gone last week would it have made things any better? Maybe not?

 

But the all out defence of Rudd now looks utterly stupid - and leaves her with no breathing space in one what could become another defining moment in her time as PM

[Buce]

35 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

You appear to completely misunderstand the term Incel given both JRM and Gove are married.

 

Sounds about right...

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

May’s in BIG trouble here - and the defence of Rudd makes it even tougher.

 

The focus will now be on her tomorrow, Tuesday and Wednesday.

 

That negative press surely won’t be helpful for the locals on Thursday - meaning she may have to ride out Friday and the weekend with yet more negative press. 

 

And its clear, plenty are now gunning for her.

 

Had Rudd gone last week would it have made things any better? Maybe not?

 

But the all out defence of Rudd now looks utterly stupid - and leaves her with no breathing space in one what could become another defining moment in her time as PM

Recognise that?

And now...there's no human shield

 

 

 

 

 

 

And, in case you thought it was just a handful...

 

 

[Guest Kopfkino]

3 minutes ago, toddybad said:

 

 miss call me dave and gideon

As part of revision earlier I was reading an article from just after the 2015 election by Patrick Dunleavy titled 'three more years of Cameron'. I don't believe he would have stepped down this year but Dunleavy said it was probably ideal as it let his replacement gather momentum. Anyway got me thinking what would be different had Brexit not happened and had he remained. Turned into a pretty useless thought experiment because I could only come up with Corbyn would have been buried by now.

[Wymsey]

[Guest]

46 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

 miss call me dave and gideon

As part of revision earlier I was reading an article from just after the 2015 election by Patrick Dunleavy titled 'three more years of Cameron'. I don't believe he would have stepped down this year but Dunleavy said it was probably ideal as it let his replacement gather momentum. Anyway got me thinking what would be different had Brexit not happened and had he remained. Turned into a pretty useless thought experiment because I could only come up with Corbyn would have been buried by now.

Yeah perhaps.

I was just taken by the fact TM had stolen strong and stable from him! A metaphor for the lack of ideas in the tory party in general.

[Guest MattP]

9 hours ago, toddybad said:

Soft Brexit = SM and CU

Hard Brexit = No Deal

In between = continuum 

Do you not class being outside the SM/CU as hard Brexit like most Remainers? 

 

Looks like we can have a Brexit that suits us both. Good times.

[Guest MattP]

Delighted Rudd has gone, surely time for Govey now? Bloke has been a success in every department he is in.

[Nick]

2 minutes ago, MattP said:

Delighted Rudd has gone, surely time for Govey now? Bloke has been a success in every department he is in.

 He really hasn’t.

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said:

 He really hasn’t.

Why not? (And please don't reply the teachers didn't like him, he's a Tory )

 

Even wins praise from the left in current job and his reforms as education secretary now look excellent given recent results. 

[Nick]

Just now, MattP said:

Why not? (And please don't reply the teachers didn't like him, he's a Tory )

 

Even wins praise from the left in current job and his reforms as education secretary now look excellent given recent results. 

Well I’ve spent two decades in higher education and criminal justice work. Two areas he knows absolutely **** all about. His ‘reforms’ have taken girls in education back two or three decades and his approaches to criminal justice and his understanding of behavioural change, offender management and punishment are quite frankly astonishingly poor.

[Strokes]

15 minutes ago, MattP said:

Delighted Rudd has gone, surely time for Govey now? Bloke has been a success in every department he is in.

If he waits a bit longer there might be a better opportunity on its way.

[Nick]

1 minute ago, Strokes said:

If he waits a bit longer there might be a better opportunity on its way.

Kill me now ?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

Why not? (And please don't reply the teachers didn't like him, he's a Tory )

 

Even wins praise from the left in current job and his reforms as education secretary now look excellent given recent results. 

You'd have to be stupid to believe this.

 

He has done well in his current role, surprisingly so in fact.

 

But in education he ignored all the evidence in order to recreate his own childhood for every child in the land. 

 

Picking one positive and ignoring everything else - and how that positive arose - is not the way to judge somebody.

 

The number of schools that are outstanding has been virtually static. The number of schools that are good has risen. This is because ofsted focus inspections are schools that require improvement.

 

Inevitably, schools 'requiring improvement' work at it and move to the next category. In 2012 the 'satisfactory' category was removed so they can only go straight to 'good' now. Basically, if they're not crap then they have to be good or outstanding, the middle ground was removed.

[Strokes]

37 minutes ago, toddybad said:

You'd have to be stupid to believe this.

 

He has done well in his current role, surprisingly so in fact.

 

But in education he ignored all the evidence in order to recreate his own childhood for every child in the land. 

 

Picking one positive and ignoring everything else - and how that positive arose - is not the way to judge somebody.

 

The number of schools that are outstanding has been virtually static. The number of schools that are good has risen. This is because ofsted focus inspections are schools that require improvement.

 

Inevitably, schools 'requiring improvement' work at it and move to the next category. In 2012 the 'satisfactory' category was removed so they can only go straight to 'good' now. Basically, if they're not crap then they have to be good or outstanding, the middle ground was removed.

I do think there is a lot of truth in this tbf. Our kids primary school was rated as excellent when they arrived and absolutely it deserved that rating but it’s not had an inspection since and I’d be very suprised if it received more than the lowest grade now.

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, toddybad said:

You'd have to be stupid to believe this.

 

He has done well in his current role, surprisingly so in fact.

 

But in education he ignored all the evidence in order to recreate his own childhood for every child in the land. 

 

Picking one positive and ignoring everything else - and how that positive arose - is not the way to judge somebody.

 

The number of schools that are outstanding has been virtually static. The number of schools that are good has risen. This is because ofsted focus inspections are schools that require improvement.

 

Inevitably, schools 'requiring improvement' work at it and move to the next category. In 2012 the 'satisfactory' category was removed so they can only go straight to 'good' now. Basically, if they're not crap then they have to be good or outstanding, the middle ground was removed.

The point is that satisfactory is not a word we should apply to our Primary schools.  They should all be good, and if they are not then they need to do something about it.  Its pretty simple.  Words are important.

[Jon the Hat]

Gove got a lot of grief in my opinion because he did two things; 1) Ignored vested interests and did what he thought was right (and had Government support for) and 2) Refocused education and justice on the fundamentals that the people of Britain find important.  He might be right, and he might be wrong, but he is effective.

[Rogstanley]

10 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

You appear to completely misunderstand the term Incel given both JRM and Gove are married.

You must not be married if you think it offers any guarantee of avoiding incel status.