Guest Foxin_mad Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 3 minutes ago, Buce said: We have actually found something we agree on. Hallelujah! However... Not everybody has access to cheap, healthy food - I don't know about Stoke on Trent, but Aldi are not widely available in Leicester (I've just checked - the nearest one to me, for example, is over three miles away). Cooking from scratch is time-consuming, and it's reasonable to say that the poorer you are, the less time-rich you are. Whether it's PC to say so or not, there is a close relationship between poverty and education - by definition, poor people are less likely to be educated about food nutrition. There is also a close relationship between poverty and poor mental health, and studies have shown that when depressed, people crave foods high in sugar and fat content. I could go on, but I suspect I'd be wasting my time. There are occasional things we agree on, also Brexit I believe! Aldi are building more stores but there are also Lidl, the prices in most Asda's are also roughly similar on staple non branded items. The points you make are fair although I question the 'time rich' part if someone is not in work for example. At the end of the day we cant make people eat healthy and we cant make them make the correct choices, schools are banning snacks/chips etc across the country, the Tories have done things like the Sugar tax which I find positive. We can only advise and encourage. We all crave some comfort food at certain times I am sure!
Guest Kopfkino Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 26 minutes ago, toddybad said: I do take your point but it would be interesting to understand the happiness figures you're quoting - is it the same questions to a comparable population in the same area at the same time of year etc etc. And whilst we all have our own inflation rates and pay rises, surely the average has it's uses when looking at expected effects on a population? Effectively you're saying that it's impossible to measure adequately the objective effects of austerity (or whatever you choose to call it) upon lifestyle so instead we'll defer to a subjective survey. That isn't scientific. And I suppose there's an additional question here also which is should it matter if the rich get disproportionately richer compared to the rest of us? Should it matter that we are effectively propping up the stock markets with QE at the same time as subjecting the general populace to pay caps and public service disruption? You could try to argue that this is an entirely separate thing bit I'm not convinced it is. Given the economic situation over the last decade (which as a would-be economist I presume you'd admit has been woeful) there an almost war-like mentality around accepting hard times. But would people be answering surveys to say they are less happy if hard times hadn't happened? Impossible to answer, isn't it? So surely seeking a subjective answer isn't the way at all. Surely the answer is to seek objective information and data. So, for example, how many deaths are caused by issues linked to poverty? Is this going up or down? What can we measure that relates to social mobility? Objectivity still has to be the way to an answer. According to Ed Conway, it's less subjective than you think. Neurological studies have been done and it shows that people are quite good at measuring their happiness on a scale when compared against what the brain's showing. My point is that there has to be far more objectivity about such debates than saying living standards are down because inflation is above nominal wage growth. There has to be more attention paid to a bigger picture which includes all manner of things. I haven't said it doesn't have its uses, I've said it can be a useful barometer and has some worth on the macro level, but it's not a catch all and its lazy to say it means living standards are falling for reasons I've outlined as well as the flaw in measuring inflation (hence you get different figures with different measures). It's the same with GDP, that our GDP figures vary widely depending on the method of calculation really calls into doubt how useful it really is. David Pilling's Growth Delusion absolutely slates it and it's hard to disagree. And I've certainly not said its impossible to adequately measure the effects of austerity, but that you have to delve down to the micro level to really get a truly useful picture and there are organisations and economists that do that. I'm not denying any ill-effects of austerity nor am I saying there's no problem, and I'm also not defending policy of the last 10 years. I just say that I think happiness and satisfaction is better at showing how people feel about their standard of life than combining inflation and nominal wage measures. Losses have twice the effect as gains so if it was as bad as you make out then happiness would be well down, that it's not suggests there's unseen gains for people. Again your point about the rich getting disproportionately rich compared to the rest of us is not reflected in the fact people are happy. Yes the very richest are getting absurdly rich and that is a problem that should be addressed but it also doesn't make much of a difference. Last year the ONS showed the post-tax disposable income gap was at its lowest since 1986. That's likely showing up in happiness (although there's so many different factors all adding up) and it demonstrates why looking at these things on a macro level isn't always useful. Richard Easterlin observed that at in any given period higher income is correlated with greater happiness but increasing median incomes hasn't increased median happiness. He and Richard Layard therefore suggested that once basic needs are met, relative income matters or how people feel they are doing compared to their peers. Perceptions also likely play a role so yes you may well be right that it's just because times were bad and now they're less bad rather than any sign of a positive. Entirely possible. You talk about QE as if it not existing would have any impact on pay caps or public services, not entirely sure why there's a link personally. But I am glad you raise it. QE is there to lower interest rates at the point a central bank can't lower them any further in normal operations due to zero lower bound. So whilst that inflates stock markets as investors shy away from interest-paying assets which is useful to the wealthy, it's also useful to everyone's pension funds. Consumption inequality has remained stable for 20-30 years now. But low interest rates and QE could well be creating a current illusion and could also explain why we're happier. You've yourself made the point around private debt being high and low interest rates and QE could have artificially kept us consuming at previous levels and future consumption will suffer raising future consumption inequality. That car ownership amongst the poor is up, that Mercedes sells twice as many cars in the UK as they did 10 years ago would suggest living standards are up, but it again shows the danger of looking at just some macro statistic without analysing the micro situation, which is essentially my entire point. But also there is a false belief that QE only benefits the rich, it doesn't, it's just the benefits are different, and by virtue of being rich they benefit in more than one way. I don't want to look at it subjectively, that's again the entire point. Picking a few macro level stats, making implicit assumptions and then declaring a fall in living standards is not objectivity. To seek objective information you have to consider a whole suite of data and then delve down to see what is actually going on. On poverty and deaths, you might point to the BMJ's study on deaths as a result of austerity. You might cite that as an objective piece. But I say that study is exactly the problem I'm talking about. What it found was actual deaths since 2010 are above expected deaths, they then thought well austerity has occurred in that time therefore austerity has killed 10000 people. Ignoring the fact that's just a dumb way, on its own its hardly a beacon of objectivity and falls foul in delving down to analyse what is going on (not denying austerity may have killed people). Actually social mobility is again an interesting example based on some recent stuff. David Lammy and others busy themselves by condemning Oxford and Cambridge for low admission figures for black people and shows their elitism and lack of social mobility if top unis are closed off to black people. Except done per application/attainment (can't remember which, probably attainment actually), black people are 'more likely' to be admitted, so the problem is actually in getting people to apply/black students to perform. The reasons for either of those extend beyond Oxford and Cambridge and if David Lammy analysed that, he could not possibly be so condemning of Oxbridge and not of the myriad of reasons. It's just demonstrable laziness because we don't understand how to use the array of information we now have access to. Bloody hell I need to find something to do now exams are done.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buce said: So you have a large sized oven, a large sized freezer, and a microwave. You really don't get what being poor means, do you? Standard sized to small actually. And no microwave. I can easily fit a 10/15 plastic tubs of food in. But I am sure people who purchase frozen products have all of the above anyway. Again I have lived on a very tight budget, with very little. Edited 5 June 2018 by Foxin_mad
Guest Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 3 minutes ago, MattP said: He certainly is, but I doubt he'll climbdown, what's the point of his manifesto if the EU just stop him implementing it? There is a reason his Eurosceptic credentials are even stronger than Herr Farage, at least the latter voted for the common market, Corbyn was even against that along with Lisbon, Maastrict etc He will be forced to climbdown imo. Despite what the right want to believe, it is Labour that had the support of its membership, not Corbyn. And you aren't allowed to give state support to non state entities. If you make the railways a state entity you aren't doing that. Otherwise the NHS wouldn't be allowed. You'd just do it.
Buce Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Do they still do home economics at school? I remember that being pretty good for me, the things I often cook as a non veg eater like Toad in the Hole, Pie and Mash etc were things I either learnt from Mum in the kitchen or from Mrs Barnfield at Brookvale. 2 I can only speak for the three schools that my daughter has attended, but the answer is no. 2 minutes ago, MattP said: I mean it's still not an excuse if not as any good parent should teach their children to cook giving eating is the most important thing in life, but I imagine with some kids it's actually hard to get them interested. I think you'd be surprised at how many parents themselves cannot cook. This will probably go down like a lead balloon, but the women's rights movement in the sixties and seventies saw an entire generation of women rebelling against the idea of learning how to cook (for obvious reasons); men continued to ignore it as a life skill, and now we have a nation of people who, on the whole, do not know how to cook.
Guest MattP Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: He will be forced to climbdown imo. Despite what the right want to believe, it is Labour that had the support of its membership, not Corbyn. And you aren't allowed to give state support to non state entities. If you make the railways a state entity you aren't doing that. Otherwise the NHS wouldn't be allowed. You'd just do it. Wonderful - "Here are my principles, if you don't like this here are some different principles" - I'm still to be convinced, if he was going to climbdown I'm almost certain he would have done it by now, this is a man who has imposed the three line whip and sacked cabinet ministers in the last few months for disagreeing on Brexit policy, what makes you think he could be set to change? He's never shown the slightest inkling he is set to change, the evidence is to the contrary. There is some ambiguity over state support, but I was talking more about deficit levels among other things. Do you really think he's going to just forget all this though? I have no idea where the optimism comes from. Quote In the 1975 European Communities referendum put forward by the Labour Party in the United Kingdom, Corbyn opposed Britain's membership of the EEC.[204] Corbyn also opposed the ratification of the Maastricht Treaty in 1993, saying: "... the whole basis of the Maastricht treaty is the establishment of a European central bank which is staffed by bankers, independent of national Governments and national economic policies, and whose sole policy is the maintenance of price stability[.] That will undermine any social objective that any Labour Government in the United Kingdom—or any other Government—would wish to carry out. ... The Maastricht treaty does not take us in the direction of the checks and balances contained in the American federal constitution[.] It takes us in the opposite direction of an unelected legislative body—the [European] Commission—and, in the case of foreign policy, a policy Commission that will be, in effect, imposing foreign policy on nation states that have fought for their own democratic accountability".[205][206][207] Corbyn also opposed the Lisbon Treaty in 2008[208] and backed a proposed referendum on British withdrawal from the European Union in 2011.[209] Additionally, he accused the institution of acting "brutally" in the 2015 Greek crisis, accusing the EU of allowing financiers to destroy its economy.[210][211]
ealingfox Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 10 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: Standard sized to small actually. And no microwave. I can easily fit a 10/15 plastic tubs of food in. But I am sure people who purchase frozen products have all of the above anyway. Again I have lived on a very tight budget, with very little. How do you microwave these 6-portion sized cottage pies without a microwave?
Guest MattP Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 7 minutes ago, Buce said: I think you'd be surprised at how many parents themselves cannot cook. This will probably go down like a lead balloon, but the women's rights movement in the sixties and seventies saw an entire generation of women rebelling against the idea of learning how to cook (for obvious reasons); men continued to ignore it as a life skill, and now we have a nation of people who, on the whole, do not know how to cook. I'm disgusted by it to honest, I know many people who can't cook, it's something that should be as important as reading or writing. The whole thing completely baffles me, culturally we seem to really enjoy the idea, look at the amount of food and cookery shows on television.
Izzy Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 13 minutes ago, Buce said: I can only speak for the three schools that my daughter has attended, but the answer is no. I think you'd be surprised at how many parents themselves cannot cook. This will probably go down like a lead balloon, but the women's rights movement in the sixties and seventies saw an entire generation of women rebelling against the idea of learning how to cook (for obvious reasons); men continued to ignore it as a life skill, and now we have a nation of people who, on the whole, do not know how to cook. My Mum was a Home Economics teacher in the 70's and taught me to cook at an early age. Good job really because the wife is fvckin useless and can just about manage to do a jacket spud and baked beans if she has to. I'm now teaching my kids to cook. My daughter isn't that bothered (apart from baking) but my 8 year old boy loves it. So far he can do a pretty mean omelette and a decent stir fry and he's mastering the basics. We'd be lost as a household if I couldn't cook (or clean). My ironing skills are mustard and I can also sew and knit if I ever need to! My Mum's a pain in the arse but I've got a lot to thank her for in terms of life skills if I'm honest. 1
Webbo Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 5 hours ago, Alf Bentley said: I'm sure there's a range of different reasons or combinations of reasons for obesity: poor parenting, busy/chaotic lives, desk jobs, sedentary lifestyles, too much junk food, too much booze, depression/loneliness causing comfort eating, lack of cooking skills etc. But there is a known correlation between poverty and obesity in the West. Not due to a lack of food, as I understand it. More that the cheapest food also tends to be the unhealthiest (high-fat pre-prepared foods)....unless you have the knowledge, ability & inclination to buy cheap fresh fruit/veg, bulk dried pulses/rice etc. For various reasons (some quoted above), people on benefits or in low-paid, low-qualified jobs sometimes don't do that. I'm not making some universal generalisation. There are obese people who are wealthy and highly educated - and people on low incomes who parent well and eat healthily etc. For the record, I'm officially overweight (not obese). Not due to poverty, lack of education or bad eating habits. Mainly due to desk job, lack of regular exercise & a past history of excess boozing, plus occasional wrong eating. As foxin has said,there is lots of healthy food cheaper than junk food. Bad parenting is definitely to blame and it's no coincidence that parents who are too lazy to cook their own food tend to be poor.
Webbo Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 2 hours ago, Donut said: Or is leaving the EU the be all and end all, no matter what the deal is? absolutely anything will do as long as we are free of the European superstate ruining your life? In a word " yes".
Guest Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 35 minutes ago, MattP said: Wonderful - "Here are my principles, if you don't like this here are some different principles" - I'm still to be convinced, if he was going to climbdown I'm almost certain he would have done it by now, this is a man who has imposed the three line whip and sacked cabinet ministers in the last few months for disagreeing on Brexit policy, what makes you think he could be set to change? He's never shown the slightest inkling he is set to change, the evidence is to the contrary. There is some ambiguity over state support, but I was talking more about deficit levels among other things. Do you really think he's going to just forget all this though? I have no idea where the optimism comes from. The labour policy is to reduce the deficit on day to day spend but borrow effectively £25b per year (though it is actually £250b over ten years) for capital projects. A very manageable figure. I would expect a few tax rises here and there to pay for additional expenditure on the day to day. Re his opinion on the EU, it doesn't really matter if it changes. He's facing more and more calls for a party vote on Brexit policy and I'm tempted to think that the party might choose remaining over Corbyn. If there's one thing the membership dislike more than the Tories it's Brexit (though many would say they're one and the same thing).
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 38 minutes ago, ealingfox said: How do you microwave these 6-portion sized cottage pies without a microwave? Is it compulsory to use a microwave these days? I personally use the oven as I am not overly keen on using microwaves. To prepare: Cook off the meat, onions and carrots, add seasoning put layer into bottom of tub, cover with mash freeze/chill. Grate cheese on and shove in Oven 200 for 25/30 mins to cook.
breadandcheese Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 38 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: My Mum was a Home Economics teacher in the 70's and taught me to cook at an early age. Good job really because the wife is fvckin useless and can just about manage to do a jacket spud and baked beans if she has to. I'm now teaching my kids to cook. My daughter isn't that bothered (apart from baking) but my 8 year old boy loves it. So far he can do a pretty mean omelette and a decent stir fry and he's mastering the basics. We'd be lost as a household if I couldn't cook (or clean). My ironing skills are mustard and I can also sew and knit if I ever need to! My Mum's a pain in the arse but I've got a lot to thank her for in terms of life skills if I'm honest. Marry me 1
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 6 minutes ago, toddybad said: The labour policy is to reduce the deficit on day to day spend but borrow effectively £25b per year (though it is actually £250b over ten years) for capital projects. A very manageable figure. I would expect a few tax rises here and there to pay for additional expenditure on the day to day. Who says its manageable? When we are spending already £50billion a year on debt interest payments, when we have 1,800 billion national debt? Also many commitments are not included here like the 'requisitioning' of utility companies and Royal Mail, 'sorting out' student loans. Labour would end up borrowing more, their lack of economic credibility would lead to us being charged more in interest. The IFS said their tax revenue estimations were optimistic and would likely lead to more tax rises to cover shortfalls.
breadandcheese Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, toddybad said: The labour policy is to reduce the deficit on day to day spend but borrow effectively £25b per year (though it is actually £250b over ten years) for capital projects. A very manageable figure. I would expect a few tax rises here and there to pay for additional expenditure on the day to day. Re his opinion on the EU, it doesn't really matter if it changes. He's facing more and more calls for a party vote on Brexit policy and I'm tempted to think that the party might choose remaining over Corbyn. If there's one thing the membership dislike more than the Tories it's Brexit (though many would say they're one and the same thing). There is no longer a deficit on day to day spending. The government has achieved one of its aims this year with the current budget now in surplus. Admittedly, not by much, and it may fluctuate back into deficit depending on tax receipts, but it is a good step in the right direction. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/03/01/back-black-uk-current-budget-surplus-imf-says-osborne-right/ Edited 5 June 2018 by breadandcheese 1
Donut Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Webbo said: In a word " yes". How have you arrived at this conclusion, and what aspect of your life has been damaged to the extent youre willing for it to be damaged even more, just to say we are not in the EU? Bear in mind earlier on in this thread, you couldn't name one EU law you didn't like, you spoke about the common fisheries policy and didn't know how it worked, you thought proposals for getting rid of the working time directive all together was somehow a positive, and you've no ideas about trading arrangements post brexit id just like to know how you've arrived at a conclusion that ill accept absolutely anything as long as we are not in the EU? People make it sound like the negotiations with the EU are like some sort of cold war, its really silly. We want mutual comprimises between us, that means we both aren't fvcked over by us leaving. Because leaving is silly, as its mutually beneficial for both of us. That means we wont get everything we want, nor does it mean the EU is going to change all its policies and abandon its other members just to please us. Edited 5 June 2018 by Donut 1
Guest MattP Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 11 minutes ago, toddybad said: The labour policy is to reduce the deficit on day to day spend but borrow effectively £25b per year (though it is actually £250b over ten years) for capital projects. A very manageable figure. I would expect a few tax rises here and there to pay for additional expenditure on the day to day. Re his opinion on the EU, it doesn't really matter if it changes. He's facing more and more calls for a party vote on Brexit policy and I'm tempted to think that the party might choose remaining over Corbyn. If there's one thing the membership dislike more than the Tories it's Brexit (though many would say they're one and the same thing). Reduce the deficit? Where was that in the manifesto? How do you reduce the deficit whilst also promising masses of public spending? A few tax rises? good luck, heard that one before. Where are these calls for a party vote? You keep telling us the pressure is on etc but from where I'm sat I can't see a single thing. Just a few (lets be honest) already defeated moderates from the backbenches like Chukka Umanna. These people have no influence anymore. Let's look at the facts here, It's now less than a year until we leave, it's nearly two years since the result, the Labour now holds a more Eurosceptic position than it did back then, with only now a desire to stay in "a customs union" - not even be able to commit to "the customs union" - which is is about as soft Brexit as you can get - there is no desire to remove him, he's faced a leadership election with these views and won it comfortably, he's sacked ministers for opposing it and faced little dissent, he's enforced the 3LW and it's held up apart from about 25% of them. If all that isn't enough for yu then we've even had Thornberry saying we'll probably vote for the deal anyway and Barry Gardner openly admitted Northern Ireland is a red herring and the "six tests" set by Starmer are "total bollocks". I'm not really sure how much clearer they can be that they won't be changing too much and his position is safer than ever. I honestly have no idea where any optimism comes from you are in for some sort of change. The membership clearly don't really care that much and Corbyn probably also knows they'll vote for him whatever the policy on Brexit is. He may as well carry on.
ealingfox Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 1 hour ago, Foxin_mad said: I agree it does depend on how you do it. I often batch cook and freeze, giving me say 4 weeks worth (big portions) of the same dish I can microwave later. 1 hour ago, Foxin_mad said: Standard sized to small actually. And no microwave. I can easily fit a 10/15 plastic tubs of food in. But I am sure people who purchase frozen products have all of the above anyway. Again I have lived on a very tight budget, with very little. 25 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: Is it compulsory to use a microwave these days? I personally use the oven as I am not overly keen on using microwaves. To prepare: Cook off the meat, onions and carrots, add seasoning put layer into bottom of tub, cover with mash freeze/chill. Grate cheese on and shove in Oven 200 for 25/30 mins to cook. You literally said yourself that you microwave it, that's why you were asked. Because it sounds (shock horror) like you're bullshitting. 1
Webbo Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 17 minutes ago, Donut said: How have you arrived at this conclusion, and what aspect of your life has been damaged to the extent youre willing for it to be damaged even more, just to say we are not in the EU? Bear in mind earlier on in this thread, you couldn't name one EU law you didn't like, you spoke about the common fisheries policy and didn't know how it worked, you thought proposals for getting rid of the working time directive all together was somehow a positive, and you've no ideas about trading arrangements post brexit id just like to know how you've arrived at a conclusion that ill accept absolutely anything as long as we are not in the EU? People make it sound like the negotiations with the EU are like some sort of cold war, its really silly. We want mutual comprimises between us, that means we both aren't fvcked over by us leaving. Because leaving is silly, as its mutually beneficial for both of us. That means we wont get everything we want, nor does it mean the EU is going to change all its policies and abandon its other members just to please us. No, you said I couldn't name one EU law I didn't like.I mentioned the CAP, the CFP the external tariff, freedom of movement but I can't be bothered to go over all that again. You asked me if I'd be happy if we just left the EU and I said yes, what more do you want?
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 25 minutes ago, ealingfox said: You literally said yourself that you microwave it, that's why you were asked. Because it sounds (shock horror) like you're bullshitting. Simple mistype, I meant reheat. Thank you for kindly pointing that out. Either way you can microwave it, oven cook it, use an aga, use a campfire, whatever your chosen reheating method. Since my student days I have gone off microwaves personally. Why on earth would I bullshit about cooking food? I have given a clear process I follow. In the majority of cases I would say it is cheaper to make your own food using ingredients from a cheap supermarket/market. I don't think there is much unreasonable about that. I used to live off ready meals until a friend brought me a Jamie Oliver on using leftovers.
Donut Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 28 minutes ago, Webbo said: No, you said I couldn't name one EU law I didn't like.I mentioned the CAP, the CFP the external tariff, freedom of movement but I can't be bothered to go over all that again. You asked me if I'd be happy if we just left the EU and I said yes, what more do you want? No, if you go back however many pages, you floundered around proving you didn't know how any of those policies worked. But you were adamant they ruined your life. Now you're saying we have to leave the EU at all costs. The consequences are completely irrelevant, whether we become poorer is irrelevant, any possible negative side effect is irrelevant. What do we do in the possibility of no deal? or do you not give a toss about that? what about watered down brexit where we stay in a customs union, do you care about that? Just to clarify, the type of brexit is totally irrelevant, all of the consequences are irrelevant, out is all that matters? 2
Webbo Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 2 minutes ago, Donut said: No, if you go back however many pages, you floundered around proving you didn't know how any of those policies worked. But you were adamant they ruined your life. Now you're saying we have to leave the EU at all costs. The consequences are completely irrelevant, whether we become poorer is irrelevant, any possible negative side effect is irrelevant. What do we do in the possibility of no deal? or do you not give a toss about that? what about watered down brexit where we stay in a customs union, do you care about that? Just to clarify, the type of brexit is totally irrelevant, all of the consequences are irrelevant, out is all that matters? No, you told me I didn't know, I gave you plenty of answers. I never said it ruined my life, yet again you're making things up. I don't think we will be any poorer but I would accept that to be free of the EU. So to sum up ,yes getting out is the most important thing. Do I need to explain that again?
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 48 minutes ago, MattP said: The membership clearly don't really care that much and Corbyn probably also knows they'll vote for him whatever the policy on Brexit is. He may as well carry on. Of course they will. Corbyn is some kind of mindless cult figure, its laughable, the guy is a clown and a fraud. Ohhhhhhh Jeremy Corbyn, Ohhhhhh Jeremy Corbyn! Saw these quite humorous, apparently momentum have been complaining seems like a accurate portrayal to me?! despite the terrible voice.
Buce Posted 5 June 2018 Posted 5 June 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: Simple mistype, I meant reheat. Thank you for kindly pointing that out. Either way you can microwave it, oven cook it, use an aga, use a campfire, whatever your chosen reheating method. Since my student days I have gone off microwaves personally. Why on earth would I bullshit about cooking food? I have given a clear process I follow. In the majority of cases I would say it is cheaper to make your own food using ingredients from a cheap supermarket/market. I don't think there is much unreasonable about that. I used to live off ready meals until a friend brought me a Jamie Oliver on using leftovers. That means you are negating any savings made by batch cooking because you are increasing your gas/electric bill by using an oven twice per serving. Edited 5 June 2018 by Buce
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