Housing crisis

[Rincewind]

Found this. Did not know where to put it. Some may find it interesting. On my phone so cannot split graphs etc. 

http://www.housing.org.uk/how-public-money-is-spent-on-housing/

[Innovindil]

Kill off old folk. 

 

Housing "crisis" sorted. 

[Countryfox]

1 minute ago, Innovindil said:

Kill off old folk. 

 

Housing "crisis" sorted. 

Or send all the old folk over to Eastern Europe where there are loadsa empty houses cus they have all come over here ....     like a giant game of musical chairs ...  

[Innovindil]

2 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

Or send all the old folk over to Eastern Europe where there are loadsa empty houses cus they have all come over here ....     like a giant game of musical chairs ...  

Not as fun, but sure, why not. 

[Carl the Llama]

2 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

Or send all the old folk over to Eastern Europe where there are loadsa empty houses cus they have all come over here ....     like a giant game of musical chairs ...  

Great idea, send them off to where the people willing to look after them come from.

[Countryfox]

1 minute ago, Carl the Llama said:

Great idea, send them off to where the people willing to look after them come from.

But do they really get looked after ? ...  or are they drugged up and treated like a piece of sh1t ...

[Carl the Llama]

1 minute ago, Countryfox said:

But do they really get looked after ? ...  or are they drugged up and treated like a piece of sh1t ...

As long as they're someone else's problem who cares?

[Innovindil]

1 minute ago, Countryfox said:

But do they really get looked after ? ...  or are they drugged up and treated like a piece of sh1t ...

Couldn't really answer. My nan is so far gone she just sits there drooling on herself. 

[Countryfox]

Just now, Carl the Llama said:

As long as they're someone else's problem who cares?

Old people and animals ..  neither have a voice in our society ..    and like you said, who cares.

[Rincewind]

Nobody takes the housing crisis seriously then?  Well why should you if it does not affect you. 

[Countryfox]

2 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Couldn't really answer. My nan is so far gone she just sits there drooling on herself. 

My mum was nearly thrown across the room by a male carer ..  he didn't speak very good English so I used sign language with my hands to communicate with him.  My aunt stopped taking the drugs cus she noticed she could hardly move after taking them ..   she wanted to escape ...   unfortunately she didn't have to wait long.

[Rogstanley]

London prices are ridiculous but outside London houses aren't really unaffordable. They're more expensive compared to average wages (mainly because wages have been falling for a decade) than they used to be, but not unaffordable. There's no crisis imo.

[Countryfox]

1 minute ago, Rincewind said:

Nobody takes the housing crisis seriously then?  Well why should you if it does not affect you. 

It is very important Rince and also a very emotive topic ...   the two factors affecting the housing shortfall are immigration and the birth rate (maybe linked) and it will get a lot worse before it gets better.  The government realise that social housing is what is mostly needed and have finally admitted it ...   this is causing knock on problems and until some of the underlying issues are addressed then, as i said, things may get worse.

[Innovindil]

8 minutes ago, Rincewind said:

Nobody takes the housing crisis seriously then?  Well why should you if it does not affect you. 

Of course it's taken seriously, but there are 2 options. Either build more or require less. Neither are particularly easy to accomplish. 

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said:

Great idea, send them off to where the people willing to look after them come from.

They can look after them over there and then everyone is happy, well apart from the Eastern Europeans and the old people but who cares about them wankers?

[davieG]

Whilst the financial world and the media continue to talk of crisis if house prices don't continue to rise we'll never solve the problem.

 

It's in the interest of landowners, builders, financial investors, solicitors, estate agents and governments for house prices to continue to rise.

[Sir Shep]

Build up (ie flats, maisonettes) on brown field sites for starters, end stamp duty for everyone unless you’re buying a second home/rental house. Also prevent people from purchasing homes and leaving them empty and yes I’ll say it, immigration is also contributing to this as well. 

 

One things for sure though, fvck off building on greenfield sites. 

[Rogstanley]

One thing I've never understood is why we allow non-residents to buy residential property. If you don't live here then you don't need a house. I'm sure you could take a significant amount of the heat out of London just by banning that.

[Strokes]

4 hours ago, Rogstanley said:

One thing I've never understood is why we allow non-residents to buy residential property. If you don't live here then you don't need a house. I'm sure you could take a significant amount of the heat out of London just by banning that.

Yeah I agree but it’s a difficult one to police really, we don’t know a persons intentions. 

[Stadt]

The real housing crisis is over-built, shoddy orange brick new housing estates. 

[Rogstanley]

13 hours ago, Strokes said:

Yeah I agree but it’s a difficult one to police really, we don’t know a persons intentions. 

It would be easy to police, you'd have to provide proof of residence, which everybody who is a resident here has either in the form of a british passport or a long term visa.

[Strokes]

3 hours ago, Rogstanley said:

It would be easy to police, you'd have to provide proof of residence, which everybody who is a resident here has either in the form of a british passport or a long term visa.

How would you have proof of residence, if you just intended on retiring over here but had never lived here before?

[Rogstanley]

1 hour ago, Strokes said:

How would you have proof of residence, if you just intended on retiring over here but had never lived here before?

If you were from outside the EU (and soon if you're from within the EU as well) you'd still need a long term visa. I think most of the non-residents buying houses are far eastern investors, they need a visa of some sort to stay here long term. Without such a visa you don't let them buy residential property. Easy really, plenty of other countries do it.

[Legend_in_blue]

6 hours ago, Wookie said:

The real housing crisis is over-built, shoddy orange brick new housing estates. 

 

and charging at least 20% more than the going rate for houses in the area thanks to a help to buy scheme that allows builders to up the price.

 

Furthermore, people are suckered into it and pay over the odds for a nice, new orange brick house, with lovely whitewash walls and white plastic coated towel rails and a stainless steel sink in their Symphony kitchens.

[oxford blue]

The most interesting point about the graph of constructions is the huge fall in social housing constructions over the past 35 years. If this had continued at 1980 levels - itself one of the lowest of post war years - there would not be a housing crisis. There would be many more affordable homes to rent which in turn would have meant there would not be the homelessness crisis that exists - particularly in the south-east and some large metropolitan towns. 

 

However, one huge problem is one not addressed by building more homes where the demand currently is the need to encourage employers to offer employment opportunities across the country. Building more homes in the already crowded south east exacerbates the problem long term. The need to distribute wealth across the country has not been addressed by any government over many years - whether it can be done is another issue...