The inflation of Transfer Fees

[The whole world smiles]

I must read 5 to 10 posts a day saying things like.... 'he is never worth 20 million' etc. I can't believe some people still haven't realised that there are various factors that makes us paying vastly inflated sums of money for players completey unavoidable.

 

1. The New TV deal

Due to competition between BT and sky The new 5.4 billion pounds global TV deal is 71% higher than the previous one 3 years ago so expect the market to reflect this and expect top flight English sides to pay a premium.

 

2. Our owners our loaded.

It's no secret that our owners are absolutely minted. They fly into games on one of their fleet of air crafts. They are one of only around 2 thousand people of the planet who are bonafide billionaires. So anyone who has ever conducted any kind of negotiation will know this will effect the price we pay. These aren't the Brian Little days when we needed to sell players to afford to strengthen elsewhere. Obviously we don't want to get ripped off (within the current crazy market) but it's not our money and believe me the Thais can afford it so why get so transfixed on 5 or 10 million here or there.

 

3. We are famous

Not only our we famous for winning the league and playing in the champions league which will make getting a bargain hard. We are also famous for spotting hidden talent at crazy prices so the footballing world knows we got vardy for 1 million, mahrez for 400k and Kante for 5 million which means getting a bargain now is virtually impossible. Say we went to sign an unknown from the French 2nd tier (like mahrez was) now we would probably have to pay about 8 million for him based on our reputation alone.

 

So basically stop moaning about transfer fees cut whoever negotiates the fees a bit of slack and remember it cuts both ways we got 17 million for Schlupp a year ago.

Edited 29 December 2017 by The whole world smiles

[sylofox]

The only thing I would add is. Because of the TV deal clubs don't need to sell their best players. That in turn bumps up any price if you want a player the selling club wants to keep. The reverse side the players we want to off load are worth nothing in comparison.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 hour ago, sylofox said:

The only thing I would add is. Because of the TV deal clubs don't need to sell their best players. That in turn bumps up any price if you want a player the selling club wants to keep. The reverse side the players we want to off load are worth nothing in comparison.

This is the biggest thing in my opinion. Clubs don't need the money anymore. £30m makes no difference, double that and it might make a difference, but when it's so hard to find replacements for cheap the prices will keep on going up.

 

£75m for Van Dijk is mental really.

[MC Prussian]

As for the "Thai billionaire" argument, you can only go that far with the money you've got and I personally doubt they'd be willing to pay any price just for the sake of it or because they theoretically can. In the end, you want to run a football club as a business (ideally), and not make regular losses by overspending. It's a terrible business model, especially once a club continues to be not as successful as initially planned. Also would look somewhat dubious that anyone would want to take over at some point in the future, in case King Power are no longer interested.

We are currently spoiled with money, but how much longer can/will it last?

 

You have to ask yourself, how much money is a player really worth? I look at the transfer sums of recent weeks and months, with van Dijk as the latest example of a player being worth much more on paper than his actual market value. How much further do you want to see it go and amounts mounting up? Asking prices starting at £50m for mediocre talent, £100m for regulars, £200m for highly talented ones and in excess of £500m for exceptional footballers? It's just getting more and more filthy, particularly when you imagine what you could buy for that kind of money and see it used for social causes, for example.

 

"Spotting talent", previously down to Steve Walsh and his scouting department, has always been tough. We are competing with plenty of clubs both in England and abroad. If we were to focus on Brazil, for instance, you'd be looking at a massive pool of talented players. But you need to have an eye for it, it involves quite the risk (despite all the scouting factors and positive indicators, talents can still fail due to numerous reasons). Most Portuguese clubs and scouts are already doing that, so we need to focus on other geographical areas or recommendations. I think we'll continue to be able to attract young talent occasionally, just don't see it as the norm (and don't go by our academy just yet).

[Guest Cujek]

55 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said:

This is the biggest thing in my opinion. Clubs don't need the money anymore. £30m makes no difference, double that and it might make a difference, but when it's so hard to find replacements for cheap the prices will keep on going up.

 

£75m for Van Dijk is mental really.

If Dick is worth 75m, what does that make say Maguire worth? English, young and a real talent. 

 

To us he is worth 100 million surely? how could we replace him? that is what makes players worth a lot as well, the cost to replace them, what does it make Chilwell worth...

 

The world is a silly place and football is even sillier at the moment, but as a club (supposedly looking to break top 4) we are going to have to, in the current climate, realise that we need to be spending 40  - 50 million on players to compete or 20 - 30 on potential bench warmers (if we buy them from other prem teams), they will be of course be cheaper from abroad, but they don't have that awful tag of "premier league proven"

 

I trust the owners and the board to make the right decisions and make the right signings, we have had some clangers recently but not everyone is always going to be a success here, just because they were somewhere else. 

[Lovejoy]

3 hours ago, The whole world smiles said:

I must read 5 to 10 posts a day saying things like.... 'he is never worth 20 million' etc. I can't believe some people still haven't realised that there are various factors that makes us paying vastly inflated sums of money for players completey unavoidable.

 

1. The New TV deal

Due to competition between BT and sky The new 5.4 billion pounds global TV deal is 71% higher than the previous one 3 years ago so expect the market to reflect this and expect top flight English sides to pay a premium.

 

2. Our owners our loaded.

It's no secret that our owners are absolutely minted. They fly into games on one of their fleet of air crafts. They are one of only around 2 thousand people of the planet who are bonafide billionaires. So anyone who has ever conducted any kind of negotiation will know this will effect the price we pay. These aren't the Brian Little days when we needed to sell players to afford to strengthen elsewhere. Obviously we don't want to get ripped off (within the current crazy market) but it's not our money and believe me the Thais can afford it so why get so transfixed on 5 or 10 million here or there.

 

3. We are famous

Not only our we famous for winning the league and playing in the champions league which will make getting a bargain hard. We are also famous for spotting hidden talent at crazy prices so the footballing world knows we got vardy for 1 million, mahrez for 400k and Kante for 5 million which means getting a bargain now is virtually impossible. Say we went to sign an unknown from the French 2nd tier (like mahrez was) now we would probably have to pay about 8 million for him based on our reputation alone.

 

So basically stop moaning about transfer fees cut whoever negotiates the fees a bit of slack and remember it cuts both ways we got 17 million for Schlupp a year ago.

Much as I can't stand the guy, Jurgen Klopp nailed it yesterday with his assessment of the Van Dijk fee saying "we don't set the price, the market does". 

[Dan]

Or you can just not blow money on players from blatantly overpriced markets and find bargains like we've done plenty of times.

[The whole world smiles]

13 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

Or you can just not blow money on players from blatantly overpriced markets and find bargains like we've done plenty of times.

That was before the new TV deal when we were a championship or newly promoted club. Much much harder now.

 

We still have managed to get value in the current market but value nowadays looks like 16 million for Ndidi or 17 million for Maguire and when we signed Maguire I remember plenty of people saying he was overpriced which is kind of my arguement.

[surrifox]

Just don't buy from Spurs . Levy is a shark and apart from that the club is full of cvnts 

[SheppyFox]

I don’t care what we pay for players. We’ve no chance of going broke.

[dylanlegend]

The only value you'll get these days is buying from lower leagues or abroad. 

 

- Maguire was in the championship not so long ago

 

- Van Dijk was playing for Celtic

 

- Iborra from Spain

 

Buying from prem clubs is a bit silly unless they are no longer needed. Although I can see why we would want Trippier.

 

To be fair it's pretty much our transfer policy so I'm happy with it. 

[dylanlegend]

The other thing to say about today's transfer market is, yes Liverpool have paid 75m for Van Dijk but what wages is he on? I bet he's on about 100 - 120k which probably isn't as much as players like Mangala so I can see why Liverpool wanted him so much as he didn't really break their 'wage' structure 

[Sir Shep]

There are still bargains to be had, we’ve signed players from cov and Chester in the summer for peanuts, they may come good, they may not. Plenty of really good players in the lower leagues that clubs really should be taking a chance on rather than just spending for the sake of it.