Kendal Fox Posted 16 June 2018 Posted 16 June 2018 22 minutes ago, Webbo said: Can't believe how crap Nigeria were. They have decent players that play at a high standard. they were hopeless, Croatia weren't great. Completely sums up my thoughts about Nigeria. I just don't get why so many talented players couldn't link up and put in a decent showing. As for Croatia, totally flattered by the scoreline and thoroughly overrated.
shen Posted 16 June 2018 Posted 16 June 2018 Wouldn't write Nigeria quite off yet. They were sound defensively and will have to be more adventurous against Iceland.
Ian Nacho Posted 16 June 2018 Posted 16 June 2018 Nigeria are the worst team I've seen this world cup with the exception of Saudi which is nothing special.
NewEnglandFox Posted 16 June 2018 Posted 16 June 2018 28 minutes ago, shen said: Wouldn't write Nigeria quite off yet. They were sound defensively and will have to be more adventurous against Iceland. Put your money where your mouth is. Nigeria are bad. Iceland showed up today, in qualifiers, and at the Euros. They are not to be underestimated.
shen Posted 16 June 2018 Posted 16 June 2018 19 minutes ago, NewEnglandFox said: Put your money where your mouth is. Nigeria are bad. Iceland showed up today, in qualifiers, and at the Euros. They are not to be underestimated. Not underestimating Iceland at all. Just saying that I believe Nigeria have more in their locker than they showed today. Got to ask for more from Iwobi and Moses and drop Ighalo promptly. 1
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 9 hours ago, Facecloth said: Backwards? That's absolute bollocks. Stop talking out your arse to back up this stupid idea of yours that we should stop teams like Saudi Arabia etc from qualifying because they are of lower quality. Someone mentioned it the other day, back in the 70's and 80's some of the African team barely knew the rules of the game let alone be able to play at to any level of quality. You are very abusive at the moment. I can only assume you still have your anger issues when someone doesn’t agree with you. This man featured in Italia 90 (genuinely, were you even born?) and took the competition by storm. Thats 28 years ago... In this World Cup, If any African side do as well as Cameroon did all the way back then, I’d be very surprised.
Jimothy Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Col city fan said: You are very abusive at the moment. I can only assume you still have your anger issues when someone doesn’t agree with you. This man featured in Italia 90 (genuinely, were you even born?) and took the competition by storm. Thats 28 years ago... In this World Cup, If any African side do as well as Cameroon did all the way back then, I’d be very surprised. Not angry, you're just talking bollocks. (I do get annoyed when I make a good point and people who can't counter it just ignore it like you did my last post prior to this one on this subject). That's one man, I do remember him. I'm talking as a whole. The African teams as a whole are much more comparative now in a bigger tournament. They have players all over Europe in the top league's. Giving them access to the world cup has moved the continent as whole on ten fold in the past few decades. Remember that Zaire defender in the 70's breaking the wall and kicking the free kick away? Genuinely they didn't know how to play the game or the rules 40 years ago. Of course with your only letting teams you deem worthy of getting in policy, we may never have enjoyed the exploits of Mr Milla as you would have told Cameroon they weren't of standard to play at your world cup and they'd embarrass the tournament, despite doing everything asked of them to qualify. Edited 17 June 2018 by Facecloth 3
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Not angry, you're just talking bollocks. (I do get annoyed when I make a good point and people who can't counter it just ignore it like you did my last post prior to this one on this subject). That's one man, I do remember him. I'm talking as a whole. The African teams as a whole are much more comparative now in a bigger tournament. They have players all over Europe in the top league's. Giving them access to the world cup has moved the continent as whole on ten fold in the past few decades. Remember that Zaire defender in the 70's breaking the wall and kicking the free kick away? Genuinely they didn't know how to play the game or the rules 40 years ago. Of course with your only letting teams you deem worthy of getting in policy, we may never have enjoyed the exploits of Mr Milla as you would have told Cameroon they weren't of standard to play at your world cup and they'd embarrass the tournament, despite doing everything asked of them to qualify. That Cameroon team wasn’t just ‘one man’. It contained a number of decent players and really heralded a generation of good players from the nation who went on to play at a good level. Have a look at this and tell me that the African nations have improved significantly over recent years, by playing in the World Cup. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1920412-the-5-greatest-african-teams-in-world-cup-history#slide4 Your angry nature is very clear in your posts. You exaggerate massively to make a point. I’m not saying and never have said ‘don’t have African nations in the World Cup”. What I did say is that having the Saudis hammered 5-0 in the opening game does nothing for the tournament and can’t be good for the nation being hammered. I also said I don’t know what I’d do to try to avoid this. Try to get some balance in your posts and above all, chill a little. Edited 17 June 2018 by Col city fan
Jimothy Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 1 minute ago, Col city fan said: That Cameroon team wasn’t just ‘one man’. It contained a number of decent players and really heralded a generation of good players from the nation who went on to play at a good level. Have a look at this and tell me that the African nations have improved significantly over recent years, by playing in the World Cup. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1920412-the-5-greatest-african-teams-in-world-cup-history#slide4 I don't need to, I know the standard is better relatively than it was 20-30 years ago. At the end of the day, it's a world cup, we only have 5 African teams, and 4 Asian, and that won't increase massively when we go to 48 either. Do we want to take some away? Nigeria where one of the top 5 teams in African qualifying, the Saudis top 4 in Asia, they earned the right to be there. Like is said in the post you didn't bother or couldn't reply to, this is how competition works, the early rounds are where the lower quality qualifiers appear. Wimbledon isn't Federer v Nadal in every round is it? I love that football let's people take advantage of others messing up, unlike rugby and cricket where certain nations are guaranteed qualification. I mean you've still not told us how Cold world cup would work where we have Brazil v Spain in every round and decide who's good enough to be there in a fair way.
Jimothy Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Col city fan said: That Cameroon team wasn’t just ‘one man’. It contained a number of decent players and really heralded a generation of good players from the nation who went on to play at a good level. Have a look at this and tell me that the African nations have improved significantly over recent years, by playing in the World Cup. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1920412-the-5-greatest-african-teams-in-world-cup-history#slide4 Your angry nature is very clear in your posts. You exaggerate massively to make a point. I’m not saying and never have said ‘don’t have African nations in the World Cup”. What I did say is that having the Saudis hammered 5-0 in the opening game does nothing for the tournament and can’t be good for the nation being hammered. I also said I don’t know what I’d do to try to avoid this. Try to get some balance in your posts and above all, chill a little. You added the second point after I replied. So you're moaning but you have no answer? It is what it is, they qualified so they deserve to be there. I'm guessing you, me, Fifa, the Saudi's, Russia or anybody else didn't know they'd lose 5-0. Prior to the game it was all about how poor Russia were. There is no answer to not having this happen, it was one game they maybe they had an off day, I don't watch the Saudis all that much tbh. The only team not there on merit won 5-0, so there is no answer to what you wrongly perceive as a problem. Edited 17 June 2018 by Facecloth
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 8 minutes ago, Facecloth said: You added the second point after I replied. So you're moaning but you have no answer? It is what it is, they qualified so they deserve to be there. I'm guessing you, me, Fifa, the Saudi's, Russia or anybody else didn't know they'd lose 5-0. Prior to the game or was all about how poor Russia were. There is no answer to not having this happen, it was one game they maybe they had an off day, I don't watch the Saudis all that much tbh. The only team not there on merit won 5-0, so there is no answer to what you wrongly perceive as a problem. I think why I posted what I posted after the Saudi game and certainly watching Nigeria last night, who were absolutely fookin awful, was because I remember when the African nations actually DID put up a great showing at the World Cup. Cameroon, Senegal, Nigeria (Daniel Amokachi) all playing their hearts out, and gaining massive respect from all those watching them. To say ‘you don’t have to read the article because you know’ is ridiculous and arrogant. There may be more African players featuring in the top leagues these days (I don’t even know if THIS is true, do you?) but that is miles apart from having African nations who are improving per se. I do agree with you about tournament football. And I’m sure I said at the time, anyone here deserves to be here. But I do wonder whether the format needs looking at to make the first rounds more competitive. Just food for thought. I shan’t reply again as I don’t want to enter another spiral of argument and abuse.
stix Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: You are very abusive at the moment. I can only assume you still have your anger issues when someone doesn’t agree with you. This man featured in Italia 90 (genuinely, were you even born?) and took the competition by storm. Thats 28 years ago... In this World Cup, If any African side do as well as Cameroon did all the way back then, I’d be very surprised. Only once since France ‘98 have England progressed further in the competition than any African team have. I didn’t include ‘94 because we didn’t even qualify. 2
Jimothy Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Col city fan said: I think why I posted what I posted after the Saudi game and certainly watching Nigeria last night, who were absolutely fookin awful, was because I remember when the African nations actually DID put up a great showing at the World Cup. Cameroon, Senegal, Nigeria (Daniel Amokachi) all playing their hearts out, and gaining massive respect from all those watching them. To say ‘you don’t have to read the article because you know’ is ridiculous and arrogant. There may be more African players featuring in the top leagues these days (I don’t even know if THIS is true, do you?) but that is miles apart from having African nations who are improving per se. I do agree with you about tournament football. And I’m sure I said at the time, anyone here deserves to be here. But I do wonder whether the format needs looking at to make the first rounds more competitive. Just food for thought. I shan’t reply again as I don’t want to enter another spiral of argument and abuse. It doesn't have to be competitive though, it is what it is, it's round 1. And nobody knows where a team might be at a particular time, and we're currently talking about 1 match each. Also coaches might have a effect either way on performance, they may select a weaker squad than another coach might, they may leave a top player on the bench inexplicably. We have two or more years of qualifying for each confederation, I'm not sure what else could be done to whittle of the shit then we already do. That Saudi team finished above Australia in their qualifying league, and the Aussies looked ten times better, you just can't predict at times how a team will perform on any given day. Btw talking of African teams. We've seen Egypt, who did ok and I'm sure will progress past the group once Salah returns. We've seen Nigeria who looked disjointed but I don't think the coach helped, but the probably won't progress, they have decent players though. Morocco I thought were really unlucky not to beat Iran, looked ok especially first half. We haven't seem Senegal and Tunisia yet. As for the African players improving. 30 years ago Milla and Cameroon were revelations, now look, the top league's are littered with quality Africans, some aren't even at this WC. EDIT: Also rather than an article if someone opinion on the best African teams at the world cup, this table on this page shows steady progress. Not spectacular, but as the tournament grow they consistantly have at least two nations progress to round two at least. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_nations_at_the_FIFA_World_Cup Edited 17 June 2018 by Facecloth
kingfox Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: Your angry nature is very clear in your posts. You exaggerate massively to make a point. Try to get some balance in your posts and above all, chill a little.
Jimothy Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 1 minute ago, kingfox said: It's frustrating being right and having to deal with idiots like you, no wonder I get annoyed at times.
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Facecloth said: It's frustrating being right and having to deal with idiots like you, no wonder I get annoyed at times. Goodness me... Edited 17 June 2018 by Col city fan
Jimothy Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 12 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Goodness me... That was aimed solely at Kingfox. But it's just as frustrating talking to you times tbh because we know if Nigeria or Saudi Arabia put on decent displays in their next matches you'll be on here claiming you knew they were good the whole time, never doubted them
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 5 minutes ago, Facecloth said: That was aimed solely at Kingfox. But it's just as frustrating talking to you times tbh because we know if Nigeria or Saudi Arabia put on decent displays in their next matches you'll be on here claiming you knew they were good the whole time, never doubted them Hey, at least I’m consistent! And again, I hope they do..genuinely. It’s just great to see good, competitive matches. I’m not sure about Saudi but surely Nigeria have got more to offer than that last night.
Jimothy Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 Just now, Col city fan said: Hey, at least I’m consistent! And again, I hope they do..genuinely. It’s just great to see good, competitive matches. I’m not sure about Saudi but surely Nigeria have got more to offer than that last night. But you're not consistent thats the point, you'll change your view depending on the day and claim that's what you thought all along, distancing yourself from you're previous POV even though it's there for all to see I want to see competitive football too and if that first match was the final I could totally get your point, but it's round 1. 1
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Facecloth said: But you're not consistent thats the point, you'll change your view depending on the day and claim that's what you thought all along, distancing yourself from you're previous POV even though it's there for all to see I want to see competitive football too and if that first match was the final I could totally get your point, but it's round 1. Mate, you’re still at it... arguing. Have you nothing else to bother you than doing this, on here? You need to get laid more perhaps. Rid you of this pent up angst! I thought we’d moved away from the arguing phase to the hand shaking phase, let’s have some banter. But clearly not. Onto ignore you go. Edited 17 June 2018 by Col city fan
Jimothy Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 2 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Mate, you’re still at it... arguing. Have you nothing else to bother you than doing this, on here? You need to get laid more perhaps. Rid you of this pent up angst! Arguing? No I was arguing before now I'm just pointing out a fact, one that many others have picked up on about you Remember when Manwell Pablo pull up all those old Hodgson posts during Euro 2016. It's a lazy Sunday morning mate, I've been gym, I'm watching Premier league years for the title season, why not have a bit of fun showing you up.
Guest MattP Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 Remember when Pele said an African team would win it by the year 2000?
Jimothy Posted 17 June 2018 Posted 17 June 2018 10 minutes ago, MattP said: Remember when Pele said an African team would win it by the year 2000? Pele says a lot of shit though
StanSP Posted 17 June 2018 Author Posted 17 June 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Facecloth said: Pele says a lot of shit though Pele has just signed up and will tell you to stop arguing I remember a few years ago someone once said to me that USA will win the World Cup by 2022 Edited 17 June 2018 by StanSP
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