Levein Out?

[C-man]

No.

Can some CL hater please tell me what good it would do (with good reasons) if we sacked him now?

*Good reasons are not that 'because we'll start playing better football' bollux cos we wont - we havent got the players to do that!*

[Jimmy]

c-man with hughes, williams, sylla, smith and hume we CAN play good football but since levein love child got fit and came into midfield we havent and won't.

[Babylon]

God here we go again... talk about reactionary. We lose one away game after a half decent run of results and the Levein out brigade are back.

[Anish]

God here we go again... talk about reactionary. We lose one away game after a half decent run of results and the Levein out brigade are back.

Although to be fair to the 'CL out brigade', their case gets stronger after every game (or more specifically after every goalless game for Leicester). And if you look at the table, we are only 2 points above the relegation zone after 19 games. That to me is not acceptable.

The more and more I think about it, I'm agreeing with a lot of the critics on here. Personally I'd get rid of Levein at the end of the season, unless we drop into the relegation zone then he's got to go there and then.

[davieG]

c-man with hughes, williams, sylla, smith and hume we CAN play good football but since levein love child got fit and came into midfield we havent and won't.

Well it's easy to twist things to suit an argument

Hughes - CL would be playing him if he was fit - I think that's indisputable

Williams - Had a good run in the middle, did not provide the answer, in part due to his approach - Very few fans would disagree with that I believe

Sylla - He's been almost an ever present and provided very little amunition for the forwards he's also regularly accused of being lazy and diasappearing from the game.

Smith - Has played every time he's been available and again like Sylla has not produced the goods

Hume - is probably the only one who can genuinely feel he's not been given a fair chance yet - this I believe was down to match fitness (questionably maybe) and the reason he didn't play Saturday was because he only arrived back in England from Canada late on Thursday.

I also don't think 'levein's love child' (kisnorbo?)is keeping any fit player out of the team apart from Williams so I don't think your argument stands.

Not that I'm happy to see Kisnorbo and Joey lining up as our midfield, but considering Hughes is still not fit, Williams was badly underperforming, Wesolowski is recovering from a broken leg it hasn't left him much choice.

[Ajax Treesdown]

At the end of the day, something major has to be done (Levein Out etc) because it seems more and more people are getting sick of this tired charade of a club.

FFS!

[Thracian]

Well it's easy to twist things to suit an argument

Hughes - CL would be playing him if he was fit - I think that's indisputable

Williams - Had a good run in the middle, did not provide the answer, in part due to his approach - Very few fans would disagree with that I believe

Sylla - He's been almost an ever present and provided very little amunition for the forwards he's also regularly accused of being lazy and diasappearing from the game.

Smith - Has played every time he's been available and again like Sylla has not produced the goods

Hume - is probably the only one who can genuinely feel he's not been given a fair chance yet - this I believe was down to match fitness (questionably maybe) and the reason he didn't play Saturday was because he only arrived back in England from Canada late on Thursday.

I also don't think 'levein's love child' (kisnorbo?)is keeping any fit player out of the team apart from Williams so I don't think your argument stands.

Not that I'm happy to see Kisnorbo and Joey lining up as our midfield, but considering Hughes is still not fit, Williams was badly underperforming, Wesolowski is recovering from a broken leg it hasn't left him much choice.

Much of what you say is true (though I'd have to ask why so many players are failing to perform or have an effect when, like Smith and Williams, they clearly have ability.

However, I don't think I'm twisting things to say the last time we won by a distance was when Sheehan played at left back against Sheffield Wednesday (then was promptly dropped).

I certainly don't think he's been given a fair chance, quite the contrary. He's been insulted with the club playing Nils in his place because even at his best Nils isn't half the player...either at left back or centre-back and probably at left midfield if the truth's known and there's no sensible replacement for Hughes.

When I watched Kisnorbo and Sheehan play in the same reserves match it was like boy and man. Sheehan had a presence, Kisnorbo was just an energetic player (exactly the kind Levein likes).

More important though is the team performance and the tactics. There's just no flow. Levein's idea against Burnley might have worked had we got good passers at the back, big but mobile and dangerous strikers up front plus midfield players following up who had the ability to shoot on target.

It's been a failing all season that we have none of those things either because we don't have those kind of players or because Levein refuses to play the best we have.

Levein could have seen for months that Hammond is just not scoring and should have replaced him. He could also have seen we need a creative midfield player, a winger in place of Sylla and the left-back problem is glaring despite the goals against because Nils has made loads of mistakes that could have been costly.

Moving quickly and decisively is important for a manager but Levein just puts up with the same failings time after time while so often overweighting the side with defenders which has sometimes served to mask the depth of our problems.

When will the man get realistic?.

[Hullfox]

No.

Can some CL hater please tell me what good it would do (with good reasons) if we sacked him now?

*Good reasons are not that 'because we'll start playing better football' bollux cos we wont - we havent got the players to do that!*

Well if we haven't got the players to play better football, surely he's got to go as this is his team.

[davieG]

Much of what you say is true (though I'd have to ask why so many players are failing to have perform or have an effect when, like Smith and Williams, they clearly have ability.

However, I don't think I'm twisting things to say the last time we won by a distance was when Sheehan played at left back against Sheffield Wednesday (then was promptly dropped).

I certainly don't think he's been given a fair chance, quite the contrary. He's been insulted with the club playing Nils in his place because even at his best Nils isn't half the player...either at left back or centre-back and probably at left midfield if the truth's known and there's no sensible replacement for Hughes.

When I watched Kisnorbo and Sheehan play in the same reserves match it was like boy and man. Sheehan had a presence, Kisnorbo was just an energetic player (exactly the kind Levein likes).

More important though is the team performance and the tactics. There's just no flow. Levein's idea against Burnley might have worked had we got good passers at the back, big but mobile and dangerous strikers up front plus midfield players following up who had the ability to shoot on target.

It's been a failing all season that we have none of those things either because we don't have those kind of players or because Levein refuses to play the best we have.

Levein could have seen for months that Hammond is just not scoring and should have replaced him. He could also have seen we need a creative midfield player, a winger in place of Sylla and the left-back problem is glaring despite the goals against because Nils has made loads of mistakes that could have been costly.

Moving quickly and decisively is important for a manager but Levein just puts up with the same failings time after time while so often overweighting the side with defenders which has sometimes served to mask the depth of our problems.

When will the man get realistic?.

Hi Thracian,

My 'twisting things' was aim at Napalm

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c-man with hughes, williams, sylla, smith and hume we CAN play good football but since levein love child got fit and came into midfield we havent and won't.

I don't disagree with you regards performance in general and Nissa @ left back with respect to Williams I can't put any blame on CL for his poor performances as I was saying, and getting slated for saying how he was underperforming under MA's.

I do believe we have a major problem not only with the forwards but the central midfield: unless we can get a fit and performing Hughes and the promise shown by Wesolowski into the team ASAP because I've now come to the conclusion that Williams, Joey, Kisnorbo are passengers and only exacerbate a piss poor front two.

[Jimmy]

like thrac said, if all those players are under performing (i include hughes in that- though this may be due to injuries) then you have to look to the manager, and leveins love child is a centerhalf, as the jambo's said on a previous thread levein just finds a place for him, tiatto would be more suited to that role than him.

williams- though hasnt produced, is 1 of if not the best player we have when it comes to ability, for him to underperform so badly doesnt speak much for leveins motivational skills, even maybury has been poor this season.

levein has little or no tactical knowledge of attacking, either he needs to go or bring someone who does in to work alongside him

[The People's Hero]

Well if we haven't got the players to play better football, surely he's got to go as this is his team.

This is exactly right.

When will people accept that whatever way you look at it, we're not good enough, we're not getting better and that as Levein's team it's down to him.

Okay, I've lied there because our defence has improved but how? By stamping any creativity out of the side, closing the game down completely to a dull, scrappy 90 minutes and by playing 2 in the centre of the park whose main attributes are that they run round a lot and don't shirk a challenge.

I don't like it and I think it's gone far enough.

We won't start scoring goals until we play someone so bad that de Vries gets a couple, then half of you lot will be going on about promotion.

Wake up and smell the coffee people, Levein knows nothing about getting sides playing positive football or about scoring goals. Hearts fans told us this. We are now seeing it. He spent a long time at Hearts and never got them playing positive attacking football. He builds a solidish defence with cloggers in the middle and then that's it, he's satisfied.

I'm not even going to watch it every week and I pity those that choose to do so.

All the excuses are wearing thin now. We can't have had a bad ref every game. Professional footballers don't need THIS long to gel. Levein isn't just sorting out the defence then we'll see attacking football, he doesn't like attacking football. We haven't been unlucky every game... it just doesn't wash.

Anyone who thinks that our current league position and style of play is acceptable or even desirable, fair play I can see why you might like Levein... for me, sorry, he's not the man.

The answer will be - well who would be a better man for the job?

I'd certainly start by saying George Burley, but would end by saying that from an entertainment point of view, no manager could be worse, and from a league position point of view, looking at the sides in this division, a chimp of average intelligence could guide LCFC clear of relegation so I don't see that we have a great deal to lose.

Actually, I've typed all that and realised I don't care. Stick with Levein. Anyone who puts up with that is just another inactive bystander watching football being slowly sapped of passion, skill, flair and excitement as well as ambition and spirit. I don't want to be a part of it anymore. So glad I didn't renew my ST.

[MC Prussian]

I'd also like to add that it appears to me that some Leicester City fans suffer from a very serious disease called "Instant Success".

The Pharma Industry has yet to come up with a predicament against this very grave illness, whose symptoms include regular states of dilllusion, manager anger, tranquility comes matchday, immobility, passive aggressiveness and a very deadly compassion for football.

As long as some people still believe that we have to get back to the Prem or play a major part in the upper half of the Championship table instantly, right now, it will take a huge effort of the reasonable part of our fans to convince them and bring them back to reality.

Calling for the manager's head is always the easiest solution. I would give Craig Levein time to work with the team and fire him not earlier than during or at the end of the following season (2006/07).

[Jimmy]

i dont expect instant success, i expect a decent standard of play with strikers who know where the net is ffs, its not that hard to shoot at a big white frame at the end of the big green thing

[davieG]

like thrac said, if all those players are under performing (i include hughes in that- though this may be due to injuries) then you have to look to the manager, and leveins love child is a centerhalf, as the jambo's said on a previous thread levein just finds a place for him, tiatto would be more suited to that role than him.

williams- though hasnt produced, is 1 of if not the best player we have when it comes to ability, for him to underperform so badly doesnt speak much for leveins motivational skills, even maybury has been poor this season.

levein has little or no tactical knowledge of attacking, either he needs to go or bring someone who does in to work alongside him

Trouble is Williams has under performed under every manager MAs, DB, CL and in his Forest days, ability alone doesn't make you a professional footballer application is up there as probably the highest priority.

[davieG]

i dont expect instant success, i expect a decent standard of play with strikers who know where the net is ffs, its not that hard to shoot at a big white frame at the end of the big green thing

If it's that simple to score don't you think you should be having a dig at the players more than the manager!

[Jimmy]

williams aside its still a valid point levein knows nothing about attacking football

[Thracian]

I'd also like to add that it appears to me that some Leicester City fans suffer from a very serious disease called "Instant Success".

The Pharma Industry has yet to come up with a predicament against this very grave illness, whose symptoms include regular states of dilllusion, manager anger, tranquility comes matchday, immobility, passive aggressiveness and a very deadly compassion for football.

As long as some people still believe that we have to get back to the Prem or play a major part in the upper half of the Championship table instantly, right now, it will take a huge effort of the reasonable part of our fans to convince them and bring them back to reality.

Calling for the manager's head is always the easiest solution. I would give Craig Levein time to work with the team and fire him not earlier than during or at the end of the following season (2006/07).

This isn't about demanding instant success Swiss it's about seeing some indication that we are developing as a decent football team, one that has characteristics that we can identify with.

We were promised a team which played high up the park but Craig lost his belief in that and the team has since lost its identity.

Two teams illustrated my point: the skilled, confident and wonderfully entertaining side of the 60's led by the irrepressible Davie Gibson and a rare number of lieutenants who were capable of complimenting his amazing skills.

And the organised, wholehearted, tribal brotherhood fashioned by Martin O'Neil which epitomised the legend "Foxes Never Quit".

Levein spoke of moulding his own high flyers but somewhere along the line he spotted what he perceived as a fault and abandoned the project. He lost faith. Retreated into indifference. Started clutching at straws instead of challenging the enemy and outwitting him.

That is the essence of complaint Swiss. City fans are used to losing. They lose almost every year. But this team has been together a while now and it has no character, no passion, no devil, no cunning, no presence, nothing to make you tingle with excitement.

[fairbanksh]

This isn't about demanding instant success Swiss it's about seeing some indication that we are developing as a decent football team, one that has characteristics that we can identify with.

We were promised a team which played high up the park but Craig lost his belief in that and the team has since lost its identity.

Two teams illustrated my point: the skilled, confident and wonderfully entertaining side of the 60's led by the irrepressible Davie Gibson and a rare number of lieutenants who were capable of complimenting his amazing skills.

And the organised, wholehearted, tribal brotherhood fashioned by Martin O'Neil which epitomised the legend "Foxes Never Quit".

Levein spoke of moulding his own high flyers but somewhere along the line he spotted what he perceived as a fault and abandoned the project. He lost faith. Retreated into indifference. Started clutching at straws instead of challenging the enemy and outwitting him.

That is the essence of complaint Swiss. City fans are used to losing. They lose almost every year. But this team has been together a while now and it has no character, no passion, no devil, no cunning, no presence, nothing to make you tingle with excitement.

[The People's Hero]

There is also no excuse for it.

[Ajax Treesdown]

Hear Ye! Hear Ye!

Levein Out! Damn good poll sir!

[The People's Hero]

Tell him - goals or else.

If no goals, sack the fu cker.

If I was as bad at my job as he is at his, I'd be sacked.

[Ajax Treesdown]

Too right, Levein needs to go.

He is really getting on my tits now.

[Jimmy]

but who WOULD want to come here

[MC Prussian]

This isn't about demanding instant success Swiss it's about seeing some indication that we are developing as a decent football team, one that has characteristics that we can identify with.

We were promised a team which played high up the park but Craig lost his belief in that and the team has since lost its identity.

Two teams illustrated my point: the skilled, confident and wonderfully entertaining side of the 60's led by the irrepressible Davie Gibson and a rare number of lieutenants who were capable of complimenting his amazing skills.

And the organised, wholehearted, tribal brotherhood fashioned by Martin O'Neil which epitomised the legend "Foxes Never Quit".

Levein spoke of moulding his own high flyers but somewhere along the line he spotted what he perceived as a fault and abandoned the project. He lost faith. Retreated into indifference. Started clutching at straws instead of challenging the enemy and outwitting him.

That is the essence of complaint Swiss. City fans are used to losing. They lose almost every year. But this team has been together a while now and it has no character, no passion, no devil, no cunning, no presence, nothing to make you tingle with excitement.

Look, I'm not arguing with you. I know that you guys in and around Leicester know more about the current problems than I do since you go to matches on a regular basis. I can only analyze what I hear on the Internet radio and what I read on LCFC messageboards like this one here.

But coming back to your post, how do you know that Craig Levein has lost his belief? Has anyone of you ever personally talked to the guy? And what kind of identity are you talking about? If you mean the pride to play for the team, then I have to say, it's not just the problem with our team. Modern football buys and sells players like cattle on the market. Few players stay with the same team over a longer period. It's sad, but true. Nowadays, "Identity" is something that marketing specialists create to keep fans entertained.

Then you search for success that has already passed by. I can also understand that dwelling in wonderful memories is a nice thing to do, because it proves that every team can be successful given the circumstances. The high points you mentionned were exceptions, though. Leicester has never been a really successful team on a permanent basis and has also been on the verge of relegation to today's Division One and Two a couple of times. And even with the past squads, there has always been a period of integration and realization. The former highflyers never took off instantly. It's a process of learning. For everybody.

And if City fans are really used to losing, then what's the big deal with this season's performance? I rather think City fans are really used to complaining. Maybe that's just your nature. I don't know.

Failure on the pitch is never just one single person's fault, often many little problems add up to a big one.

[The People's Hero]

We might not be a huge club, but in this division we're an attractive prospect. Decent sized club with potentially very large fan base. Some good players here as well (believe it or not).

Put it this way, we as a set of fans have a right to expect certain things. I believe we can attract a manager who can play attacking football win us a few keeps and at least keep us in the division which must be preferable to keeping CL, grinding out draws, occasionally slim victories and just about avoiding relegation.