Robo61 Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 8 hours ago, Raj said: People do need to realise that most of the workers striking DO NOT get paid for striking. Only most, so who does get paid when on strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robo61 Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 7 hours ago, David Hankey said: And this is the daft thing about strikes. Trade union bosses on their big fat salaries and expenses paid packages calling supposedly low paid workers out on strike. How can folk give up pay if they are so poorly paid, it doesn't make sense. Union Bosses don't call anyone out on strike, if anything these days it is the mebers insosting that their elected representives take the neccesary action to ensure strikes can go ahead if coolective bargaining breaks down. The rules on ballots now make it impossible for unions to call memebers out on strike on a wim. The vast majotity of Umion Leaders forgo their pay on strike days, despite them being the bussiest days of their working life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 6 minutes ago, Robo61 said: Only most, so who does get paid when on strike. We get a nominal daily amount which has been negotiated locally by our Unite rep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robo61 Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 2 minutes ago, Raj said: We get a nominal daily amount which has been negotiated locally by our Unite rep. Who pays that nominal amount, if its the trade union, then its not pay but compensation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 Just now, Robo61 said: Who pays that nominal amount, if its the trade union, then its not pay but compensation. Ah okay, yeah I think it's from the union pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 4 minutes ago, Robo61 said: Union Bosses don't call anyone out on strike, if anything these days it is the mebers insosting that their elected representives take the neccesary action to ensure strikes can go ahead if coolective bargaining breaks down. The rules on ballots now make it impossible for unions to call memebers out on strike on a wim. The vast majotity of Umion Leaders forgo their pay on strike days, despite them being the bussiest days of their working life. I hear what you and others have said about trade unions bosses foregoing their pay on strike days but when you're on £130K plus a year that money going into a 'hardship fund' is a) pretty minimal and b) would not stretch very far across the masses who are striking. However, to the outsider it all looks very laudable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 35 minutes ago, David Hankey said: I hear what you and others have said about trade unions bosses foregoing their pay on strike days but when you're on £130K plus a year that money going into a 'hardship fund' is a) pretty minimal and b) would not stretch very far across the masses who are striking. However, to the outsider it all looks very laudable. You might have a blind spot as far as Unions are concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 Just now, Foxdiamond said: You might have a blind spot as far as Unions are concerned Insofar as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 Just now, David Hankey said: Insofar as? You give the impression that you might be against any strike by Unions even if justified by democratic process. Sorry if I have this wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 5 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said: You give the impression that you might be against any strike by Unions even if justified by democratic process. Sorry if I have this wrong But hes okay to have the pay rise if his colleagues get one after fighting for it🙄🙄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 4 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said: You give the impression that you might be against any strike by Unions even if justified by democratic process. Sorry if I have this wrong I understand that workers have the "right to strike" but as I have said before rarely do you get 100% in voting for and taking strike action. Surely, by the same token, workers have a right not to strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 Just now, David Hankey said: I understand that workers have the "right to strike" but as I have said before rarely do you get 100% in voting for and taking strike action. Surely, by the same token, workers have a right not to strike. Unless an old fashioned close shop you don't have to join a union. Under your thinking we could never elect a government unless 100% voted for a candidate. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 19 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said: Unless an old fashioned close shop you don't have to join a union. Under your thinking we could never elect a government unless 100% voted for a candidate. What absolute twaddle!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 Just now, David Hankey said: What absolute twaddle!! Just now, David Hankey said: What absolute twaddle!! It seems you have lost the argument by your response 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 25 minutes ago, Raj said: But hes okay to have the pay rise if his colleagues get one after fighting for it🙄🙄 Pure assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy G Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 8 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said: Mate not having a go at you personally and congrats on being a cfo but it’s by no means the ‘top of the profession’ - you get middle managers from practice going into cfo positions at regional industry firms. because it’s a chilled out job for a decent cheque Chilled out job? OK…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 1 minute ago, Foxdiamond said: It seems you have lost the argument by your response What argument? You have on standpoint, I have one. That doesn't mean you have won or that I have lost. I can't understand why you should think that we should all agree, we do not live under a communist regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 2 minutes ago, David Hankey said: Pure assumption. You have confirmed your blind spot regarding unions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 2 minutes ago, David Hankey said: What argument? You have on standpoint, I have one. That doesn't mean you have won or that I have lost. I can't understand why you should think that we should all agree, we do not live under a communist regime. I thought you wanted 100% agreement for a strike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 9 hours ago, David Hankey said: And this is the daft thing about strikes. Trade union bosses on their big fat salaries and expenses paid packages calling supposedly low paid workers out on strike. How can folk give up pay if they are so poorly paid, it doesn't make sense. Are you REALLY so ignorant that you can make a post like that? No-one "calls workers out on strike". It goes to a ballot of the workforce for which the strike has to be agreed by the majority of union members. That's law. If the result of the ballot does not result in a mandate to strike, the proposed strike will not take place. Workers will give up pay when they are truly aggrieved and need to make stand. They feel so strongly about their grievance that they will make sacrifices to achieve fairness. That's ALL they want. I'm not a militant by any means, but I feel I have more understanding of the process than you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 1 hour ago, Robo61 said: Who pays that nominal amount, if its the trade union, then its not pay but compensation. 1 hour ago, Raj said: Ah okay, yeah I think it's from the union pal. Paid from union funds. Short term only. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 2 minutes ago, Parafox said: Are you REALLY so ignorant that you can make a post like that? No-one "calls workers out on strike". It goes to a ballot of the workforce for which the strike has to be agreed by the majority of union members. That's law. If the result of the ballot does not result in a mandate to strike, the proposed strike will not take place. Workers will give up pay when they are truly aggrieved and need to make stand. They feel so strongly about their grievance that they will make sacrifices to achieve fairness. That's ALL they want. I'm not a militant by any means, but I feel I have more understanding of the process than you. I presume you think I'm ignorant simply because I have a different opinion to yours. If that makes you feel you have a better understanding of the situation, fine, think what you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 (edited) @Parafox Don't waste your time...theres a magical.option on here, let's you ignore users!! Its BRILLIANT!!! Edited 20 January 2023 by Raj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 9 minutes ago, David Hankey said: What argument? You have on standpoint, I have one. That doesn't mean you have won or that I have lost. I can't understand why you should think that we should all agree, we do not live under a communist regime. Where striking is totally illegal. Is that what you'd like? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 20 January 2023 Share Posted 20 January 2023 1 minute ago, David Hankey said: I presume you think I'm ignorant simply because I have a different opinion to yours. If that makes you feel you have a better understanding of the situation, fine, think what you like. But your posts are simplistic and blinkered. At least I am prepared to actually understand how the process works. You, on the other hand, spout some rhetorical rubbish that is entirely from you point of view, no depth of understanding or any attempt to actually understand or see another's point of view. Posting in ignorance is just stupid. And that's how you come across. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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