King Power IN or OUT

[Monk]

The owners have transformed our club from what was almost an eternity of mediocrity into a team that’s won trophies and played in Europe, built out the infrastructure at the club. 
 

The first minute things don’t go our way we turn on them. Many things have gone wrong over the past couple of years, but we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. We speculate about whats going on but the reality is that you don’t have a clue. 
 

be careful what you wish for. 

[Thebluefox85]

Vichai knew where he wanted to take the club and how! Top is just a spoilt billionaires son that ain’t got a clue what he’s doing someone should have been bought in by the club to run it that would have been above the other two idiots! I think under top’s guidance the relationship is done and it’s time an investor came in and took over the day to day running of the club and added funds and fresh ideas 

[The Doctor]

3 minutes ago, Thebluefox85 said:

Vichai knew where he wanted to take the club and how! Top is just a spoilt billionaires son that ain’t got a clue what he’s doing someone should have been bought in by the club to run it that would have been above the other two idiots! I think under top’s guidance the relationship is done and it’s time an investor came in and took over the day to day running of the club and added funds and fresh ideas 

it's not really about funds, the funding has been sensible, it's about ensuring  the funding goes to the right people and isn't pissed up a wall by an Irish goblin and a failed youth coach like the past two years 

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

5 hours ago, eblair said:

Top 7 clubs all owned by countries or Americans with desire to spend as little as possible

 

Sure some other rich clubs in prem. But look at how many clubs in financial ruin in division we are going to, how anyone thinks new owners now is a good thing is baffling

This is the thing I don’t understand about some of our fan base. They actually look afar at other clubs with perceived poor ownership and think oh lucky that isn’t us.

 

THAT IS US! 
 

Just like them we have a poor owner. How can so many not see that as if this guy is doing “good things” for us.

 

 

[Dames]

35 minutes ago, Monk said:

The owners have transformed our club from what was almost an eternity of mediocrity into a team that’s won trophies and played in Europe, built out the infrastructure at the club. 
 

The first minute things don’t go our way we turn on them. Many things have gone wrong over the past couple of years, but we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. We speculate about whats going on but the reality is that you don’t have a clue. 
 

be careful what you wish for. 

Sick to death of this mentality. Its the reason the whole club is a mess.

[Babylon]

1 minute ago, Dames said:

Sick to death of this mentality. Its the reason the whole club is a mess.

No, it’s really not and it’s nothing to do with where we are right now. 

[Dames]

Just now, Babylon said:

No, it’s really not and it’s nothing to do with where we are right now. 

But it is. General acceptance at every level of whats been happening is the reason for the downfall. People too afraid or blind to call out the issues because of ‘careful what you wish for’. 
 

Its not as if its not been coming either the writing has been on the wall for a long time now. 

[Babylon]

3 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

This is the thing I don’t understand about some of our fan base. They actually look afar at other clubs with perceived poor ownership and think oh lucky that isn’t us.

 

THAT IS US! 
 

Just like them we have a poor owner. How can so many not see that as if this guy is doing “good things” for us.

 

 

Financial ruin is having owners who borrow money and put it all on the club with no liability themselves. So far they have shown willing to take on said debt and write it off. 
 

Until such a time they don’t do that, we aren’t in trouble financially.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

3 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Financial ruin is having owners who borrow money and put it all on the club with no liability themselves. So far they have shown willing to take on said debt and write it off. 
 

Until such a time they don’t do that, we aren’t in trouble financially.

What do you mean take it on themselves ? 

[Babylon]

8 minutes ago, Dames said:

But it is. General acceptance at every level of whats been happening is the reason for the downfall. People too afraid or blind to call out the issues because of ‘careful what you wish for’. 
 

Its not as if its not been coming either the writing has been on the wall for a long time now. 

Fans opinions have been ignored time and time again, whether it was Rodgers or Puel or anything else. I’m not sure why you think any fans opinion is meaningful to the club in any way shape or form and it certainly doesn’t dictate their thinking.

 

We’ve had players and staff poached left right and centre. We’ve made some poor decisions at the top after that and the knock-on effect of that has been disastrous.
 

Hiring Congerton, and then the following years of dud recruitment is something a club our size can’t spend our way out of. 
 

Failure to act on Rodgers and having a lack of planning for a replacement is another one. As is allowing him to replace our fitness teams.
 

Sadly it only takes a few poor decisions at the very top for the problems to mount up. By the time you come to realise you’ve made a mistake it’s like trying to turn around an oil tanker. 
 

People act like we didn’t make mistakes under Vichai. We made plenty… Sven and all those crap signings, Ranieri let’s face it was blind bloody luck and then Puel. 
 

What’s important now is admitting you made a mistake, following it up with a good decision and ultimately the continued financial backing so we aren’t in the mud.

 

Good owners willing to put in their own cash are few and far between. They’ve put load of their own money in than most out there. 

 

[Babylon]

8 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

What do you mean take it on themselves ? 

They’ve written off £300m worth of debt. That doesn’t happen very often at clubs I assure you, the clubs are saddled with it. 

[Monk]

19 minutes ago, Dames said:

Sick to death of this mentality. Its the reason the whole club is a mess.

Is it?

 

I often think that the fans mentality is also a pretty major reason too. 
 

I didn’t say it’s ok to get relegated. And I’m not saying Top should necessarily be our owner forever. 
 

But the reasons that we are going down are not solved magically by putting the club on the market. 

Edited 16 May 2023 by Monk

[Dames]

5 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Fans opinions have been ignored time and time again, whether it was Rodgers or Puel or anything else. I’m not sure why you think any fans opinion is meaningful to the club in any way shape or form and it certainly doesn’t dictate their thinking.

 

We’ve had players and staff poached left right and centre. We’ve made some poor decisions at the top after that and the knock-on effect of that has been disastrous.
 

Hiring Congerton, and then the following years of dud recruitment is something a club our size can’t spend our way out of. 
 

Failure to act on Rodgers and having a lack of planning for a replacement is another one. As is allowing him to replace our fitness teams.
 

Sadly it only takes a few poor decisions at the very top for the problems to mount up. By the time you come to realise you’ve made a mistake it’s like trying to turn around an oil tanker. 
 

People act like we didn’t make mistakes under Vichai. We made plenty… Sven and all those crap signings, Ranieri let’s face it was blind bloody luck and then Puel. 
 

What’s important now is admitting you made a mistake, following it up with a good decision and ultimately the continued financial backing so we aren’t in the mud.

 

Good owners willing to put in their own cash are few and far between. They’ve put load of their own money in than most out there. 

 

Has this current iteration of the ownership provided any evidence in the last 3-4 years that they know what they need to do to remedy the mistakes? Unfortunately converting money we owe to our owners into shares does not solve all our problems. 
 

5 minutes ago, Monk said:

Is it?

 

I often think that the fans mentality is also a pretty major reason too. 
 

I didn’t say it’s ok to get relegated. And I’m not saying Top should necessarily be our owner forever. 
 

But the reasons that we are going down are not solved magically by putting the club on the market. 

We need fresh ideas at board level and the current ownership is showing no signs of being willing to make the changes needed to get the club back on track. We’ll head into next season with the same leadership team thats let this mess build up over the past 3-4 years. The same leadership team in charge of our biggest rebuild for years, we still have no long term first team manager and we still have a DOF that takes a month to close out the most simple of deals.

[Guest Mee-9]

OUT.

 

Completely inept.

[Monk]

7 minutes ago, Dames said:

Has this current iteration of the ownership provided any evidence in the last 3-4 years that they know what they need to do to remedy the mistakes? Unfortunately converting money we owe to our owners into shares does not solve all our problems. 
 

We need fresh ideas at board level and the current ownership is showing no signs of being willing to make the changes needed to get the club back on track. We’ll head into next season with the same leadership team thats let this mess build up over the past 3-4 years. The same leadership team in charge of our biggest rebuild for years, we still have no long term first team manager and we still have a DOF that takes a month to close out the most simple of deals.

Sacking the DoF, getting a new CEO, new data science team and a new manager is not the same as putting the club on the market. 

[Stadt]

5 minutes ago, Monk said:

Sacking the DoF, getting a new CEO, new data science team and a new manager is not the same as putting the club on the market. 

Can you seriously see that happening?

[Babylon]

1 minute ago, Dames said:

Has this current iteration of the ownership provided any evidence in the last 3-4 years that they know what they need to do to remedy the mistakes? Unfortunately converting money we owe to our owners into shares does not solve all our problems. 
 

We need fresh ideas at board level and the current ownership is showing no signs of being willing to make the changes needed to get the club back on track. We’ll head into next season with the same leadership team thats let this mess build up over the past 3-4 years. The same leadership team in charge of our biggest rebuild for years, we still have no long term first team manager and we still have a DOF that takes a month to close out the most simple of deals.

We hired Rodgers 4 years ago and won the FA Cup two years ago and finished 5th twice. Whether you like it or not we had a successful start to his reign and played some great stuff. 
 

The problems started to mount because we let him dictate the head of recruitment and dictate we get rid of an established and successful fitness team. 
 

It was a good decisions to hire him originally IMO, a bad decision to give him too much power and a poor decision to not act sooner to replace him. But by the time we realised the damage was done. 
 

This happened under Vichai also, see giving Ranieri too much power after the title win to start dictating to the club. 
 

The club needs to get a plan back in place asap and buck up its ideas on recruitment. I’m massively concerned do not get me wrong, there just seems to be a huge lack of detailed planning. 
 

The hiring of the guy from Saints, who had hardly pulled up trees recruitment wise just stinks of hiring someone who applies for the job. See Ranieri, see Puel…

 

There should be people continually monitoring other teams recruitment, their successes and then then you try and poach them, like people do to us. 
 

The same goes for managers also. But we very rarely, other than Rodger’s ever seen to do some research and get someone with a good recent track record. 

Perhaps Rudkin is too busy buying horses, perhaps he’s just stupid. But his position needs analysing asap, but he’s so far up Top and Whelans arse I doubt either of them will. 

 

[Monk]

Just now, Stadt said:

Can you seriously see that happening?

I think Whelan and Rudkin need to go, and I think at a minimum Rudkin will be gone.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

44 minutes ago, Babylon said:

They’ve written off £300m worth of debt. That doesn’t happen very often at clubs I assure you, the clubs are saddled with it. 

Everything being done suggests that external debt is very much part of our future strategy (which is not a criticism in itself). Time will tell.

[Dames]

26 minutes ago, Monk said:

Sacking the DoF, getting a new CEO, new data science team and a new manager is not the same as putting the club on the market. 

 But he’s shown no evidence he’s got whats required to make those changes at that level. This is why he needs to sell. 

 

20 minutes ago, Babylon said:

We hired Rodgers 4 years ago and won the FA Cup two years ago and finished 5th twice. Whether you like it or not we had a successful start to his reign and played some great stuff. 
 

The problems started to mount because we let him dictate the head of recruitment and dictate we get rid of an established and successful fitness team. 
 

It was a good decisions to hire him originally IMO, a bad decision to give him too much power and a poor decision to not act sooner to replace him. But by the time we realised the damage was done. 
 

This happened under Vichai also, see giving Ranieri too much power after the title win to start dictating to the club. 
 

The club needs to get a plan back in place asap and buck up its ideas on recruitment. I’m massively concerned do not get me wrong, there just seems to be a huge lack of detailed planning. 
 

The hiring of the guy from Saints, who had hardly pulled up trees recruitment wise just stinks of hiring someone who applies for the job. See Ranieri, see Puel…

 

There should be people continually monitoring other teams recruitment, their successes and then then you try and poach them, like people do to us. 
 

The same goes for managers also. But we very rarely, other than Rodger’s ever seen to do some research and get someone with a good recent track record. 

Perhaps Rudkin is too busy buying horses, perhaps he’s just stupid. But his position needs analysing asap, but he’s so far up Top and Whelans arse I doubt either of them will. 

 

We had a great initial period under Rodgers but problems arose very early in his reign that were never solved and have contributed to the position the club finds itself in today. 
 

To be honest the rest of your post actually makes the point on why we need a change of ownership, you’ve highlighted that under this ownership the mistake of giving the manager too much power twice has lead to a decline. Once you can forgive but not twice. Especially since lessons should have been learned the first time around. 

[WigstonWanderer]

Seems to a a bit of rewriting of history here with Top now cast as the villain, the latest scapegoat. Rodgers was appointed after Vichai tragically died, and after that we achieved 2 top 5 finishes and an FA cup, so Top’s reign has not been an unmitigated continual decline, and to suggest so is lazy thinking.

 

Yes, the last 18 months has been a horrible slow death, and Top must take a large share of the blame, but to characterise his time at the top as an unfolding disaster is just wrong.

 

We are a lower middling club who have in many respects over achieved in the time to Thais have been here. Unthinkable as it seemed a couple of years ago, relegation was always a case of when, not if. Perhaps a spell in the Championship (hopefully not lower) will dull some of the entitlement that our fans seem to have accumulated.

Edited 16 May 2023 by WigstonWanderer

[westernpark]

1 hour ago, Monk said:

The owners have transformed our club from what was almost an eternity of mediocrity into a team that’s won trophies and played in Europe, built out the infrastructure at the club. 
 

The first minute things don’t go our way we turn on them. Many things have gone wrong over the past couple of years, but we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. We speculate about whats going on but the reality is that you don’t have a clue. 
 

be careful what you wish for. 

Nigel Pearson grew the club. The only thing King Power did was build Seagrave.

[MattFox]

Every defence of KP I’ve seen is based around what they’ve done in the past not what people think they can do in the future 

[Monk]

17 minutes ago, westernpark said:

Nigel Pearson grew the club. The only thing King Power did was build Seagrave.

Wow. New levels of delusion. And I absolutely love Nigel. But you’re saying Vichai was a passenger in the whole thing？？

Edited 16 May 2023 by Monk

[Dames]

15 minutes ago, MattFox said:

Every defence of KP I’ve seen is based around what they’ve done in the past not what people think they can do in the future 

Nail on the head.

 

Changes need to start happening now. Were down and out and the rebuild starts now but instead they'll continue to bury their heads in the sand and then drag their heels in the summer. I fear for the rebuild because Rudkin will drag out our sales squeezing every last penny in an attempt to please Top.