King Power IN or OUT

[westernpark]

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

Vichai’s statue is being guarded by 8 to 10 stewards after every game. If you have that opinion of your fans, you know it’s the end game. You are admitting the problem. So start doing something tangible about it. 

I don’t know if his son knows this is going on, I have seen stewards from afar, but just presume they were standing in the general vicinity. 
Personally have always been in the opinion that the Vichai statue was a step too far. - Aiyawatt can clearly do what he wants and the situation must be awful for him. I couldn’t comprehend losing my father in that situation. But I personally believe it feels out of place. 

We have a memorial garden as well, maybe move it there?

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

3 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Vichai’s statue is being guarded by 8 to 10 stewards after every game. If you have that opinion of your fans, you know it’s the end game. You are admitting the problem. So start doing something tangible about it. 

This pisses me off more than anything. The tiny sack of shit who is destroying his fathers legacy with an incompetent group around him thinks WE as fans would attack a statue. He desperately needs some real life experience. 
 

Despite this, you’ll get fans saying he wants to build a rapport. Cares about the fans. The club. He thinks you’re as important as muck at the bottom of your shoe. 

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, westernpark said:

I don’t know if his son knows this is going on, I have seen stewards from afar, but just presume they were standing in the general vicinity. 
Personally have always been in the opinion that the Vichai statue was a step too far. - Aiyawatt can clearly do what he wants and the situation must be awful for him. I couldn’t comprehend losing my father in that situation. But I personally believe it feels out of place. 

We have a memorial garden as well, maybe move it there?

Statue should always been of the players for me.
 

Just think how it resonates with future generations. 
 

That’s before I get into the problematic democracy debate surrounding Thailand (ie there’s plenty who’d want to do things to that statue and be justified) 

Edited 15 May 2023 by CosbehFox

[SemperEadem]

10 minutes ago, westernpark said:

How sad was it when the visit Thailand advert boomed onto the screen, to drown out the boos of the fans at half time? How sad was it when we did a minute applause/silence for the King of Thailand, who restricted free speech in his own country? How sad was it when we won the league, the ownership paraded around the ground with the trophy and a picture of the king of Thailand?

Keep them on, but Aiyawatt needs to sit in the background and appoint some proper football people. 

Let it be said that not everyone went along with these.

[Lcfcman2010]

1 minute ago, Walkerfox said:

How responsible was Vichai for everything you mentioned and how responsible was Top? Was it King Powers leadership, or Vichai’s that brought us all those things? (The FA cup is the only outlier).
 

I just don’t understand how you can defend King Power in its current state. I feel like your opinion is solely based on what they used to do for the club and not what they’ve been doing for the last few years. I feel like you, and a lot of people that sit and clap along after performances like tonight and most of the season are blinded by the past. 

 

Top has ruined the club. We were on the up, we were envied by most teams and seen as the blueprint of how to run a club. Then, Vichai was gone and his son was left, who can’t run a football club and can’t employ competent people. 
 

As for your last paragraph, do you really expect a decent rebuild from anyone at the club currently? I’m not sure there’s even a shred of evidence that suggests it will go well. 

I believe since Rodgers came in that something along the lines of "leave it to me, I'm the greatest" conversation happened upon appointment or not long after.

 

Upon that conversation we have "success" at 5th, Europe and FA cup. Tops in dreamland! It all then comes falling down around top and the blokes left not knowing what to do! I might be completely wrong!

 

The fall of BR and his total lack of enthusiasm from the back end of last season, with comments about rebuild, calling out players and basically driving a wedge between many always makes me believe he knew funds were going to be tight and basically making Top the fall guy for his failures before he's actually failed, knowing he(Top) doesn't really know what he's doing. 

 

Hence the late bullet, the disappointment in the new manager and it's all a shit storm because Top actually didn't know what to do in the first place from appointing BR. 

 

BR has a lot to answer for in my opinion and I believe he had more control over the club than let known at the beginning. Top can do this, with the right people. Brendan and his leadership has fvcked us and Tops clueless on how to lead overall. Make the right appointments now, ship out the BR regime and go again. 

 

Obviously, just my opinion though and it might suck to many. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[Headcase]

King powe have done so much for the club, but top has too much trust and loyalty to the board who really run the club. Top in his current state does not get envolved with the running of business he trusts his men and ladies,  honorable but very naive and as cost us all dearly...faith in the muppet rodgers was his is biggest mistake...

 

To little and way to late  For removal of the goblin, and hes making the same mistake if he thinks the board have what it takes, he must remove those ****** in the board 

Edited 15 May 2023 by Headcase

[westernpark]

6 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

Let it be said that not everyone went along with these.

Yes. However I’d argue the majority did, as temporary success means a free pass on certain things.

[eblair]

So dumb this. Even going down still relatively been fantastic owners. Please look at the other cretins who own football clubs, who change badges and shirt colours etc.

[jammie82uk]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

Vichai’s statue is being guarded by 8 to 10 stewards after every game. If you have that opinion of your fans, you know it’s the end game. You are admitting the problem. So start doing something tangible about it. 

It’s nothing new, stewards are always around the statue before the game and after, they have been since the status was erected and who’s to say they are “protecting” it from home fans? 

[nettle]

I voted out but it's all about the next appointment and investment and if Top gets this wrong or won't invest then we are f**ked and he needs to sell. He's got a big summer ahead so fingers crossed he's got the balls for the job. I will say Rudkin definitely needs to go because he's shit....

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

51 minutes ago, eblair said:

So dumb this. Even going down still relatively been fantastic owners. Please look at the other cretins who own football clubs, who change badges and shirt colours etc.

One owner has done that. It’s not something done as a regular basis. It’s pretty evident that our ownership is one of if not the worst in the league right now.

[Patrick]

I appreciate everything the family have done for the club and the city, but everything has to come to an end and that time is now. When you take past achievements out of the discussion, over the past two seasons they have been appalling owners, their incompetence has put the future of the club in jeopardy. That is all that matters in the present.

 

Those who are thinking Top will learn from his mistakes and sack Rudkin didn't see them tonight, they're clearly joined at the hip. He's going nowhere.

 

Even if they do go for a big clear out, I just don't trust any of these people to make the right calls and pick the right people for the massive task ahead in rebuilding this football club. 

Edited 16 May 2023 by Patrick

[eblair]

13 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

One owner has done that. It’s not something done as a regular basis. It’s pretty evident that our ownership is one of if not the worst in the league right now.

Top 7 clubs all owned by countries or Americans with desire to spend as little as possible

 

Sure some other rich clubs in prem. But look at how many clubs in financial ruin in division we are going to, how anyone thinks new owners now is a good thing is baffling

[Chelmofox]

The sport will move even further into the sports science and data analytics eras. It feels we are so far behind the curve with this. We need well oiled adaptive teams of experts, nor micro managing boot lickers. KP don’t have the funds to buy their way out of trouble (like Man U and Liverpool have done).  Playing in the lower ends of the transfer market, and not operating smartly have killed us. 
 

Change is needed. Top can’t run this club anymore. His management team have been left behind. 

[Phenom]

Yes. The past two seasons they’ve proven to not be very rich or very smart. We need better ownership.

[Conscript Fox]

6 hours ago, South Shire Fox said:

We won the FA Cup 3 years after Vichai died. Top was obviously doing something right

We did but its not proof of anything definitive. Wigan and Portsmouth have won it recently too. Crystal Palace and Hull lost finals in extra time. Stoke, Cardiff and Millwall have contested finals also, two of those losing 1-0. An FACup win can happen. 

 

The club has been in decline since soon after the crash & began circling the plug hole more recently, the plug hole is now 90 minutes away & its best to face that & deal with it. 

 

He doesn't have what it requires. He should sell. 

 

Four of those clubs I mentioned are or have been in League One since. An FACup means fcuk all in the greater scheme. 

[Conscript Fox]

4 hours ago, eblair said:

Sure some other rich clubs in prem. But look at how many clubs in financial ruin in division we are going to, how anyone thinks new owners now is a good thing is baffling

The owner responsible for the good days is already gone. Its tough but better to face that.

 

A bad start next season, another new manager by winter and it all gets worse again and that's where this is headed IMO because the guy has not gotten one appointment, transfer or decision right. 

 

What makes you believe he suddenly will  ?

Genuine question 

[CosbehFox]

5 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

It’s nothing new, stewards are always around the statue before the game and after, they have been since the status was erected and who’s to say they are “protecting” it from home fans? 

Well if it’s nothing new it’s even worse that they think so lowly of football supporters then and probably further taps into why it should be the players. 
 

At Arsenal for example they don’t have stewards guarding their statues of ex players 

Edited 16 May 2023 by CosbehFox

[Pliskin]

4 hours ago, eblair said:

Top 7 clubs all owned by countries or Americans with desire to spend as little as possible

 

Sure some other rich clubs in prem. But look at how many clubs in financial ruin in division we are going to, how anyone thinks new owners now is a good thing is baffling

Baffling? 
 

What’s baffling is how you can oversee a club go from a comfortable mid table position, to relegation in 12 months. What’s baffling is choosing not to invest in a team when it was on its arse, because you’re too busy building training grounds and new stands. What’s baffling is the decision to continually surround yourself with idiots who couldn’t run a bath, let alone a football clubs… and what’s baffling is the silence at a time when leadership is needed.

 

What you did in the past means nothing if you can’t sustain it. King Power are more than capable of sustaining things financially, we could have accepted a few mid table finishes in the premier league whilst we rebuilt, but instead, they’ve sat on their hands and have done nothing, and now we’re going down…..

[HitchinFox]

 

Top and the rest of the family have found themselves in an awful position, following the loss of Vichai and the pandemic. When you think of how the business was set up – Vichai's personal relationships being at the centre of it – and where its revenue came from (travel), I'm surprised that the impact of those two events haven't finished King Power off completely. 

 

Top is a beautiful human being with a huge heart. But as in many cases, he is a different man to his father. He has found himself in an extremely tight spot, having to navigate waters he wasn't expecting to. Doing so, he has had to rely on people around him. In the case of LCFC, it is clear that some of those people are not worth the money they are paid - and that theme runs down from those in the executive chairs all the way to the players. 

The issue isn't the ownership, as such. Top has probably realised that he has laid trust in people whose expertise, knowledge and decision making capabilities are questionable. Top is no less committed than his dad was. The writing-off of the debt shows that. There has been some investment. Certainly enough to keep the club in the Premier League.

 

The main difference to what went before is that Vichai knew when to listen to those around him, and when not to. That is something Top has no doubt been learning over the past 18 months or so. 

And I don't want to be flippant about a tragedy, but our downfall is all so bloody... I don't know. Leicester City FC.

I mean, a helicopter crash.

Without that horrible incident, we – and King Power as a company – would be in an entirely different space entirely. 

[Fightforever]

We need to sack Rudkin. He was a youth coach who's job was to place cones in training for teenagers he is in over his head as a director of football and has always been coasting off the work of the recruitment team but now the recruitment got ruined by Rodgers and Congerton we are starting to see how inept Rudkin really is.

 

Let so many contracts run down.

Let so many of our players have inflated wages.

Sanctioned bringing in Bertrand and Vestergaard and Perez. Aging players looking for a paycheck that do not fit our model.

 

 

He broke our model of sigining young players on the cheap and caved into Brendan and Congeton. Now we are getting relegated.

Edited 16 May 2023 by Fightforever

[Monk]

Ready no this thread has made me realise just how delusional so many of our fans are. 

[fox_favourite]

Could it be that, with COVID, he's had to deal with a lot and he's taken his eyes off the club? It would have hit his business so hard and is still trying to pick it up years later. 

 

He's left it to the people he's trusted and capable (or so he thought) to run the club, bit that has now proved misguided. Rudkin and the directors need a serious look at themselves. Rudkin alone should go.

 

I don't think he can sell either. Too much debt, high squad wages and now a complete rebuild. Just not sure how much of an opportunity we are.

 

I say no to leave, but I do think he needs to be ruthless and start next season with a new director of football who knows what he's doing, a board of directors that has passion and will care about rebuilding our club and getting a manager that can cope as well. 

 

This is a massive summer, and one we cannot afford to get wrong or go with what is already there. 

Edited 16 May 2023 by fox_favourite

[Fightforever]

Our owners forgave our debt to the king power. Had they not done that once we got relegated we would be going into administration. 

 

Financially they have been kind to us however the past 18 months has been a stain on their legacy

[The Doctor]

4 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

I'm going to be left field. Could it be that, with COVID, he's had to deal with a lot and he's taken his eyes off the club? It would have hit his business so hard and is still trying to pick it up years later. 

 

He's left it to the people he's trusted and capable (or so he thought) to run the club, bit that has now proved misguided. Rudkin and the directors need a serious look at themselves. Rudkin alone should go.

almost certainly the case, however this is the only professional football team in a county that holds nearly 3/4s of a million people, it's an important community asset. if he recognises that the people he trusted to manage this part of his business portfolio have to go then great, if he continues to just turn a blind eye to it and leaves a jumped up youth coach in charge, well then the club is too important to remain in his hands