Climate Change - a poll

[leicsmac]

12 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

The percentages don’t reflect the amount of CO2 - just the proportion of the global total emitted that year 

I wonder how it might look if the amount was plotted. 

 

Yeah, that second graph tells more of the story, appreciate it.

 

It also backs up the point about collective responsibility for the situation that our species finds itself in. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

 

Africa's camels are dying from extreme heat as temperatures soar - BBC News

 

https://share.google/jqp19zfe2QruiDeQK

 

[CornwallFox]

11 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Yeah, that second graph tells more of the story, appreciate it.

 

It also backs up the point about collective responsibility for the situation that our species finds itself in. 

I hate when people go "the UK only amounts for about 1% of CO2 emissions" and I think to myself, v there's more than a hundred countries so our share is outsized. Plus if every country thinks like that we make no progress. I cannot fathom why ordinary people still parrot the words of oil funded media.

[kenny]

11 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Yeah, that second graph tells more of the story, appreciate it.

 

It also backs up the point about collective responsibility for the situation that our species finds itself in. 

Rate of change on 3 of the lines are doing the right thing.

 

The others on the other hand...

[grobyfox1990]

12 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

I hate when people go "the UK only amounts for about 1% of CO2 emissions" and I think to myself, v there's more than a hundred countries so our share is outsized. Plus if every country thinks like that we make no progress. I cannot fathom why ordinary people still parrot the words of oil funded media.

This is a particularly grating happy clapper comeback to the reduction argument. A) it's obvs more than 1% as we basically outsource our production of everything ever. B) whatever our share is it's about creating a pleasant and non emissions choking environment for you and your family to live in surely? 

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

I hate when people go "the UK only amounts for about 1% of CO2 emissions" and I think to myself, v there's more than a hundred countries so our share is outsized. Plus if every country thinks like that we make no progress. I cannot fathom why ordinary people still parrot the words of oil funded media.

Human psychology. 

 

A lot of people don't want their comfortable status quo to change, even if that status quo will lead them and everyone else to ruin, so they will do what they can to preserve it. 

 

And that's the problem those trying to guarantee the future face; you're having to solve the same problem several times, psychologically and logistically. 

[leicsmac]

30 minutes ago, kenny said:

Rate of change on 3 of the lines are doing the right thing.

 

The others on the other hand...

Doesn't negate in any way the collective responsibility for all parties involved based on what's happened so far. 

 

And as per @grobyfox1990 salient argument immediately above - if things go to hell in a handbasket (which, given lack of decisive action, they will), those left behind are going to blame everyone who didn't do enough to stop the problem as well as those who "mostly" contributed to it. And they'll be right to. 

 

So as a species - all of us - we can either argue about who's killing the world or, as well as taking action ourselves as nation states, take whatever action we can to ensure others walk the walk too. 

[CornwallFox]

It would be interesting if the poll could be reset and the results pinned, so that each year we can see whether they change. 

I have a sneaking suspicion that when El Nino really kicks in by next summer we might start to see a few minds change. There's talk of 48° in Spain this year let alone next! 

[kenny]

43 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Doesn't negate in any way the collective responsibility for all parties involved based on what's happened so far. 

 

And as per @grobyfox1990 salient argument immediately above - if things go to hell in a handbasket (which, given lack of decisive action, they will), those left behind are going to blame everyone who didn't do enough to stop the problem as well as those who "mostly" contributed to it. And they'll be right to. 

 

So as a species - all of us - we can either argue about who's killing the world or, as well as taking action ourselves as nation states, take whatever action we can to ensure others walk the walk too. 

Absolutely, more encouragement for those parts of the world doing the right thing.

 

Serious sanctions for those that absolutely aren't presumably?

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, kenny said:

Absolutely, more encouragement for those parts of the world doing the right thing.

 

Serious sanctions for those that absolutely aren't presumably?

If possible and enforceable, yes. 

 

But, just to reiterate the point again, if we fail on this one, we fail as a species, not as any individual "tribe". That's true both from historical evidence of contribution, and from the fact that those left in that world looking for those to blame simply won't make such distinctions anyway. 

 

Edit: pardon for belabouring the above point multiple times but apparently it needs to be repeated, given the amount of people still about looking to disingenuously absolve their own "group" of responsibility for all the bad times to come (should it happen).

Edited 23 July by leicsmac

[Trav Le Bleu]

This is catastrophic.

 

More than 250,000 evacuated as wildfires rage in France and Spain - BBC News

 

https://share.google/GS2bGAeWKV4tA45uV

 

Perhaps they should seek refuge in the next safe country? That would be ironic.

[leicsmac]

And now there are steps underway to prepare for the evacuation of a French city with one a million people. 

 

Welcome to the future, ladies and gentlemen. Arriving ahead of schedule. 

[JonnyBoy]

i remember it being a huge story was it two years ago where those hours literally caught on fire in England because of the heat, soon as autumn came the whole thing was forgotten about. I can't ever remember in over 30 years a duration of this kind with no rain. The whole UK infrastructure just isn't set up to cope with this increased heat. I think anyone who is is HVAC over the next few years will make an absolute killing. We would be tempted if it wasn't for the eye soar fans stuck on the side of your house that are also noisy and not really fair on the neighbours 

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

i remember it being a huge story was it two years ago where those hours literally caught on fire in England because of the heat, soon as autumn came the whole thing was forgotten about. I can't ever remember in over 30 years a duration of this kind with no rain. The whole UK infrastructure just isn't set up to cope with this increased heat. I think anyone who is is HVAC over the next few years will make an absolute killing. We would be tempted if it wasn't for the eye soar fans stuck on the side of your house that are also noisy and not really fair on the neighbours 

It's not just indoor infrastructure that is the concern, naturally. 

 

Farmers have been sounding the alarm for a long time now. The really fun time will begin when there are consecutive widespread failures due to the heat and dry. 

[CornwallFox]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

It's not just indoor infrastructure that is the concern, naturally. 

 

Farmers have been sounding the alarm for a long time now. The really fun time will begin when there are consecutive widespread failures due to the heat and dry. 

45°C+ in Europe + extended droughts at home - farming and the cost of food alarm bells should be ringing. 

[Wymsey]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cdx7lg950gdo

 

[Zear0]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0nqv05g0do

 

It's called summer FFS

[Grebfromgrebland]

9 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0nqv05g0do

 

It's called summer FFS

I'm stunned that people didn't predict that hot weather would potentially shut down nuclear power stations. Obviously cooling the water will be an issue as well as low water levels. Where's the forward thinking?

 

 

[MC Prussian]

With regards to forest fires.

I bet a large portion of them are caused by arsonists, it doesn't take much to set a whole forest ablaze. But that is sadly hardly ever mentioned on the news.

 

Look what they've discovered in France:

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20260714-france-fifty-nine-arrested-over-wildfires-two-for-fontainebleau-forest-blaze-near-paris

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2026/07/16/who-are-the-people-setting-france-s-forests-ablaze_6755553_8.html

Edited 30 July by MC Prussian

[leicsmac]

20 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0nqv05g0do

 

It's called summer FFS

Just another hot season, apparently. 

 

3 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

With regards to forest fires.

I bet a large portion of them are caused by arsonists, it doesn't take much to set a whole forest ablaze. But that is sadly hardly ever mentioned on the news.

 

Look what' they discovered in France:

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20260714-france-fifty-nine-arrested-over-wildfires-two-for-fontainebleau-forest-blaze-near-paris

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2026/07/16/who-are-the-people-setting-france-s-forests-ablaze_6755553_8.html

Right. 

 

And what exactly is generating the conditions where those fires can grow and spread to the rather devastating levels that they have?

 

And shutting down the nuclear plants in Hungary. 

 

And getting the farmers to scream bloody murder about reduced harvests in the UK. 

 

Edit: of course, it could be entirely coincidental. 

Edited 30 July by leicsmac

[MC Prussian]

On 22/07/2026 at 23:46, leicsmac said:

Yeah, that second graph tells more of the story, appreciate it.

 

It also backs up the point about collective responsibility for the situation that our species finds itself in. 

Whilst casually omitting the fact that the world population has massively increased in the past 100 to 150 years – in particular in Asia and Africa – fueling (sic) global demand for water, food and energy.

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

Whilst casually omitting the fact that the world population has massively increased in the past 100 to 150 years – in particular in Asia and Africa – fueling (sic) global demand for water, food and energy.

... and?

 

The numbers show very clearly that historic emissions (and therefore contribution to the current and future situation) are a very balanced area along whatever corner of the world one would care to name. 

 

But if a person wants to try to pin the blame on those other people from a faraway place and not their own nation, then by all means, have at it - should the consequences of a rather warmer world become fully apparent, as per above those who feel the brunt of those consequences aren't going to divide accountability along nation state lines. And nor should they. 

Edited 30 July by leicsmac

[MC Prussian]

28 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Just another hot season, apparently. 

 

Right. 

 

And what exactly is generating the conditions where those fires can grow and spread to the rather devastating levels that they have?

 

And shutting down the nuclear plants in Hungary. 

 

And getting the farmers to scream bloody murder about reduced harvests in the UK. 

 

Edit: of course, it could be entirely coincidental. 

No one can look into the future and predict the weather in ten, 20, 50 years. Or climate in 100, 500, 1000, a million years. That'd be presumptuous.

We can only look back.

And when we look back, we also learn that after each hot period follows a cold one.

And climate predictions have been wrong. May I remind everyone of "An Inconvenient Truth"?

Or how science can be wrong and never claim to be right (due to the ever-shifting scientific consensus)?

 

Hungary has ONE nuclear power plant and it MAY face a (temporary) shutdown.

 

Farmers scream bloody murder pretty much daily. If it isn't the high temperatures, it's subsidies, the price of cattle, milk or the state calling for more eco-friendly grass areas, and whatnot.

 

I wish people wouldn't fall for all these doomsdayers.

But I get it. Stir the emotions, the fear, keep people on the edge.

But fear hardly ever is a good guide in life. In fact, never.

 

EDIT: I'd also like to add that I assume you do know at what temperatures wood starts burning. Hint: It isn't 35 or 40 degrees centigrade.

 

Edited 30 July by MC Prussian

[MC Prussian]

On 22/07/2026 at 23:32, st albans fox said:

The percentages don’t reflect the amount of CO2 - just the proportion of the global total emitted that year 

I wonder how it might look if the amount was plotted. 

 

I would like to see Africa in that chart.

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

No one can look into the future and predict the weather in ten, 20, 50 years.

We can only look back.

And when we look back, we also learn that after each hot period follows a cold one.

And climate predictions have been wrong. May I remind everyone of "An Inconvenient Truth"?

Or how science can be wrong and never claim to be right (due to the ever-shifting scientific consensus)?

 

Hungary has ONE nuclear power plant and it MAY face a (temporary) shutdown.

 

Farmers scream bloody murder pretty much daily. If it isn't the high temperatures, it's subsidies, the price of cattle, milk or the state calling for more eco-friendly grass areas, and whatnot.

 

I wish people wouldn't fall for all these doomsdayers.

But I get it. Stir the emotions, the fear, keep people on the edge.

But fear hardly ever is a good guide in life. In fact, never.

 

 

The problem there is that the people saying things are going to hell in a handbasket only need to be right once. 

 

But, again, if a person wants to simply let things play out in the short term and trust in human ingenuity, driven by the unshakeable faith that the earth is ours (or by the idea that it's not, but that's OK too because all species die) then that's between them and their own conscience. Everyone views the world differently, after all.