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11 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

Context import with this one. The wall should have covered that side of the goal properly. The shot went straight through it at waist height.  Was actually an ok save.

He comfortably got to it, it's bad goalkeeping to not at the very least tip it round the post

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1 minute ago, Chelmofox said:

htf you attribute the goal yesterday to him is beyond me. Our 2 CB's were utter dogsh1t.

Yep, agreed. It’s then his job to save a shot that is trickling in to the bottom corner, I would expect any keeper to save that. Error. 

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And let me just say, if Danny Ward fails to save that shot they scored with last night, the servers on this forum crash. 

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1 minute ago, Bert said:

And let me just say, if Danny Ward fails to save that shot they scored with last night, the servers on this forum crash. 

Wouldn't even need to be Ward, Hermansen got a rough ride from loads on here

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Beyond harsh to look at him for the goal. The shot is taken from marginally inside the penalty spot and tickles the post on its way in. Would you 'expect' a penalty save from a low shot that almost hits the post?

 

It might not have been a thunderbolt of a strike, but it wasn't a pea roller either. 

 

If he tips that around the post (I'm not saying it's impossible - I think if his footwork was a bit better it could have happened), then everyone is talking about what an amazing save it was. 

 

Not a mistake, but a slight missed opportunity to do something special. 

 

As for the free kick, it is a good save. You can't just turn balls around the post all the time. You're working on instinct in a split second, and often the ball will get sort of beneath/within you rather than being at full stretch. When it comes through bodies like that, sometimes the best you can do is to get a solid contact. 

 

The very best have a knack of making the ball stick in those circumstances. Kasper was pretty good at that, but I'm happy to give Jakub the benefit of the doubt on this one. 

 

Look, Oxford and Preston were poor. There's no getting away from that. I reckon two poor showings in quick succession has put a magnifying glass on him, which is fair enough. The jury is somewhat out on him, but I don't think there's any evidence from WBA to suggest there's a problem.

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7 hours ago, Tommy Fresh said:

It slowly rolled in to the corner, he had every chance

Not a big mistake that led to the goal though! That was all the crap they happened in front of him.

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I don’t think the errors are about physical ability. I think it comes down to anticipation.

 

The West Brom goal, I disagree it was an error on Jakub’s part as that implies he caused it or contributed to. Saying he could have done more is probably fair. I think he was caught out by what happens ahead of him as you wouldn’t be expecting that. Same with the free kick, it’s like he is surprised it has come through the wall (and rightly so).

 

Same at Oxford, the defending for their first prior to the shot initially coming in was atrocious. 
 

Preston was genuinely a massive error and bad judgement.

 

Essentially, he needs to be better at anticipating that the defence, given it includes Vestergaard and Faes, are a liability and it is likely to fall to him to bail us out.

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21 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

The save from the free kick that he didn't hold on to towards the end of the game went right through the middle of our wall very low, so he he standing covering more of the other side of the goal. Like the Ayew brain fart in defence later in the 2nd half, its shocking defending. Was actually a decent save he made. Dont understand the pelters out for this guy.

This is one from our academy so a bit like Thomas, McAteer etc some of fans do love to continually criticise and blame them and yet there is a massive hankering for more academy prospects to be given playing time and the manager has red flags against his name for not bringing enough into the matchday squad and yet here we are again seeing widespread criticism of yet another academy player once they become a regular starter. 

 

Perhaps as a fanbase we could do more to support our academy players as they come through, not sure we can throw pelters at Cifuentes about Nelson and Page etc when it’s highly likely after 3 or 4 games they will be having every error, mistake,  goal conceded or chance missed discussed and criticised. 
 

We have seen it with Thomas, McAteer, Hamza even Barnes and KDH got it, Chilwell suffered as well and now it’s Jakub’s turn, maybe we don’t have the patience as an overall fanbase to allow our younger academy players to make mistakes, to grow and develop in our 1st team, maybe just maybe as a fanbase our immediate priority of winning matches is creating an environment which is restricting our chances of giving our academy players the best opportunity to shine and grow. 
 

Perhaps we are part of the problem …..

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4 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

This is one from our academy so a bit like Thomas, McAteer etc some of fans do love to continually criticise and blame them and yet there is a massive hankering for more academy prospects to be given playing time and the manager has red flags against his name for not bringing enough into the matchday squad and yet here we are again seeing widespread criticism of yet another academy player once they become a regular starter …… 

It’s bizarre. Barnes and Chilwell were heavily slated for much of their time here as well and yet they brought us nearly £100mill in pure profit (yes we pissed it up the wall but that wasn’t their fault).

 

KDH as well. Even at the point he was carrying us two years ago, and when these people couldn’t find fault to pick with his performances, it turned to ‘not a true one of our own as he was born in Nottingham’ and ‘he’s a Man Utd fan’ etc. As they’d say in a court of law, relevance? 
 

Then there’s the Nelson banished after 45 minutes against Huddersfield being supported and now Stolarcryk being singled out for that goal on Friday. 
 

Makes me think we should purely just use the academy for sales and profit through loaning out and cashing in rather than them playing for us.

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1 minute ago, LCFCJohn said:

It’s bizarre. Barnes and Chilwell were heavily slated for much of their time here as well and yet they brought us nearly £100mill in pure profit (yes we pissed it up the wall but that wasn’t their fault).

 

KDH as well. Even at the point he was carrying us two years ago, and when these people couldn’t find fault to pick with his performances, it turned to ‘not a true one of our own as he was born in Nottingham’ and ‘he’s a Man Utd fan’ etc. As they’d say in a court of law, relevance? 
 

Then there’s the Nelson banished after 45 minutes against Huddersfield being supported and now Stolarcryk being singled out for that goal on Friday. 
 

Makes me think we should purely just use the academy for sales and profit through loaning out and cashing in rather than them playing for us.

I have edited my original post as I have also now referenced Barnes, Chilwell and KDH. Couldn’t agree more. Personally whilst I want to see us win every game we play, it isn’t the bee all and end all especially if we were blooding our academy prospects, I would take a year of some inconsistent results and performances to support the integration of 6 or 7 genuine talents from the academy into the match day squad. As this would be for the long term benefit of the club. 
 

However there are two things at play here, 1 can the club afford to take that chance and 2 would the fanbase support this and be patient accepting we may not get promoted, do we have the patience as a fanbase and reading what I see on social media I ain’t so sure. 

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11 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I have edited my original post as I have also now referenced Barnes, Chilwell and KDH. Couldn’t agree more. Personally whilst I want to see us win every game we play, it isn’t the bee all and end all especially if we were blooding our academy prospects, I would take a year of some inconsistent results and performances to support the integration of 6 or 7 genuine talents from the academy into the match day squad. As this would be for the long term benefit of the club. 
 

However there are two things at play here, 1 can the club afford to take that chance and 2 would the fanbase support this and be patient accepting we may not get promoted, do we have the patience as a fanbase and reading what I see on social media I ain’t so sure. 

I just saw the edited version and wondered why I had basically just parroted you haha!

 

I agree with you. It’s hardly like we are setting the league alight with our performances and results at the moment. It’d be more forgivable if we were.

 

I think the club could definitely afford to take the chance. There’s less and less evidence to suggest we would do any worse if we were.

 

As a fanbase, no. Too many are unsupportive of aCade my players and collectively, we seem to take so little pride compared to other clubs around our home grown players. 

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The fault for the West Brom goal is purely on Faes, Jakub probably could've done better but I blame sideshow Bob on that one.

 

I think he's alright and most of this season to get a better idea of whether he's good enough to step up to the prem.

 

Striker issue is a bigger concern.

Posted
2 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

Not a big mistake that led to the goal though! That was all the crap they happened in front of him.

Yeah the post I replied to said he had little chance with the goal, but really he did 

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1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I have edited my original post as I have also now referenced Barnes, Chilwell and KDH. Couldn’t agree more. Personally whilst I want to see us win every game we play, it isn’t the bee all and end all especially if we were blooding our academy prospects, I would take a year of some inconsistent results and performances to support the integration of 6 or 7 genuine talents from the academy into the match day squad. As this would be for the long term benefit of the club. 
 

However there are two things at play here, 1 can the club afford to take that chance and 2 would the fanbase support this and be patient accepting we may not get promoted, do we have the patience as a fanbase and reading what I see on social media I ain’t so sure. 

I don't rate Stolarczyk massively (albeit I think he'll be fine for this season as we have bigger issues that need addressing) and I'm constantly moaning about Nelson and Page being left out of match day squads, seems to be a weird assumption that if you criticise someone from the academy you also want the entire academy to fail.

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Jakub has played 24 games for us, he is still in his very early days as a 1st team player, interestingly in his starts so far in the championship he is averaging 7.3 on footmob so not too shabby at all for a player who has cost absolutely nothing in fees and is probably one of our lower earners. 
 

Yes he has weaknesses and will make mistakes but still not sure I would swap him for many other keepers at this level. Give him another 50 games and I think he will be a very very good goalkeeper capable of being more than decent enough at premier league level. 

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51 minutes ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

The fault for the West Brom goal is purely on Faes, Jakub probably could've done better but I blame sideshow Bob on that one.

 

I think he's alright and most of this season to get a better idea of whether he's good enough to step up to the prem.

 

Striker issue is a bigger concern.

And winks for pressing late into an area that bouba was already committed to - left us completely exposed. 

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4 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

I don't rate Stolarczyk massively (albeit I think he'll be fine for this season as we have bigger issues that need addressing) and I'm constantly moaning about Nelson and Page being left out of match day squads, seems to be a weird assumption that if you criticise someone from the academy you also want the entire academy to fail.

Please read my post again and point out the bit where I say or assume if you criticise someone out the academy it means we want the whole academy to fail, what I said is if you have a look at the line of academy players who have come through and had 1st team exposure in recent years we have as a fanbase been overly critical - 

 

Chilwell
Barnes 

KDH

Hamza

Iversen 

Thomas 

Stolarcyzk

 

Now given we seem to be pretty passive and accepting of others for their failings which have been much worse than the above it seems strange we are not much more supportive of our ‘own’ 

 

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15 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Please read my post again and point out the bit where I say or assume if you criticise someone out the academy it means we want the whole academy to fail, what I said is if you have a look at the line of academy players who have come through and had 1st team exposure in recent years we have as a fanbase been overly critical - 

 

Chilwell
Barnes 

KDH

Hamza

Iversen 

Thomas 

Stolarcyzk

 

Now given we seem to be pretty passive and accepting of others for their failings which have been much worse than the above it seems strange we are not much more supportive of our ‘own’ 

 

 

2 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

This is one from our academy so a bit like Thomas, McAteer etc some of fans do love to continually criticise and blame them and yet there is a massive hankering for more academy prospects to be given playing time and the manager has red flags against his name for not bringing enough into the matchday squad and yet here we are again seeing widespread criticism of yet another academy player once they become a regular starter. 

 

Perhaps as a fanbase we could do more to support our academy players as they come through, not sure we can throw pelters at Cifuentes about Nelson and Page etc when it’s highly likely after 3 or 4 games they will be having every error, mistake,  goal conceded or chance missed discussed and criticised. 
 

We have seen it with Thomas, McAteer, Hamza even Barnes and KDH got it, Chilwell suffered as well and now it’s Jakub’s turn, maybe we don’t have the patience as an overall fanbase to allow our younger academy players to make mistakes, to grow and develop in our 1st team, maybe just maybe as a fanbase our immediate priority of winning matches is creating an environment which is restricting our chances of giving our academy players the best opportunity to shine and grow. 
 

Perhaps we are part of the problem …..

The previous post is saying some fans love to criticise and blame academy players, and considering you're responding to posts being negative about Jakub (one of which is me), and making generalisations about people loving to blame academy lads I think I'm making a fair point. Feel free to dig out the Huddersfield match thread if you want to see how much I in particular love to blame academy players.

 

I'd love for him to improve on the bad parts of his game and be our number one for the next ten years, commercially it'd be massively beneficial, alongside building a reputation for developing and playing talent. 

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2 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

 

The previous post is saying some fans love to criticise and blame academy players, and considering you're responding to posts being negative about Jakub (one of which is me), and making generalisations about people loving to blame academy lads I think I'm making a fair point. Feel free to dig out the Huddersfield match thread if you want to see how much I in particular love to blame academy players.

 

I'd love for him to improve on the bad parts of his game and be our number one for the next ten years, commercially it'd be massively beneficial, alongside building a reputation for developing and playing talent. 

None of my post was calling any individual out so not sure why you took it personally, it was more a general comment as a fanbase and I include myself at times have been overly quick to criticise our own and the evidence of all the players named bears testament to the fact that as a fanbase overall we aren’t that patient or supportive of young academy players once they start making mistakes or going through a tough patch. 

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Just now, Claudio Fannieri said:

None of my post was calling any individual out so not sure why you took it personally, it was more a general comment as a fanbase and I include myself at times have been overly quick to criticise our own and the evidence of all the players named bears testament to the fact that as a fanbase overall we aren’t that patient or supportive of young academy players once they start making mistakes or going through a tough patch. 

Fair enough, a goalkeeper is always going to be under more scrutiny regardless of academy or not, but I also think people in general should be able to point out weaknesses in his game and it not be linked to bashing academy lads in general.

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3 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Fair enough, a goalkeeper is always going to be under more scrutiny regardless of academy or not, but I also think people in general should be able to point out weaknesses in his game and it not be linked to bashing academy lads in general.

I agree but if you look at a lot of posts aimed at academy lads it does feel they get the hard end of the stick whilst others are given a far less tougher ride of it at times. 

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From memory it wasn't mentioned in commentary that he could have done better for the goal. Maybe an oversight, but a suggestion that the neutral didn't see it that way. 

Personally, I am not sure how much more he could have done. It would have been an insane save if he had got to the corner. Hard for him to predict as well, as yhe sequence in front of him would be very difficult to predict. 

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5 hours ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

The fault for the West Brom goal is purely on Faes, Jakub probably could've done better but I blame sideshow Bob on that one.

 

I think he's alright and most of this season to get a better idea of whether he's good enough to step up to the prem.

 

Striker issue is a bigger concern.

Vestergaard was much more at fault than Faes. He's absolutely miles out of position and gets spun on the halfway line leaving Faes totally exposed. Not denying Faes could’ve done better, either. Maybe saying Stolarcyzk was fault/error is a bit harsh but for me it’s a shot he should be saving. But this is why I’m a fan and not a goalkeeper or goalkeeping coach lol 

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