Stoke Match thread

[cityfanlee23]

4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Why look for outrage when you yourself propose a far more likely reason? 

Because I don't believe it's a likely reason. He's come off the bench or been subbed off most games this season. Ndidi has played 1 full game and has averaged 60 minutes per game this season. I very much doubt he needs a rest.

Edited 7 October 2023 by cityfanlee23

[SafewayFox]

25 minutes ago, don_danbury said:

That’s a very slow side. Hope stoke don’t have any pacey players 

I honestly think that’s why Hamza is in.

 

He’s quicker than every other defender that we have - so sad to see Ricky and a lesser extent JJ lose that yard of pace.

[Dandy king]

27 minutes ago, hejammy said:

Suprisingly, Vesty isn't all that with headers. 

Been better recently tbf

[Beachyboy]

30 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Do we really need such rotation?

If a manager sticks with 13 players and never rotates, he gets stick if we need 20 players for the championship as Enzo has said the fringe players need to be given a chance, the back up is on the bench. We could have easily been 0-0 at HT full strength as has been the case in other games.

Edited 7 October 2023 by Beachyboy

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Because I don't believe it's a likely reason. He's come off the bench or been subbed off most games this season. Ndidi has played 1 full game and has averaged 60 minutes per game this season. I very much doubt he needs a rest.

Ok, each to their own, but I see far less of a reason to not trust the manager this far. 

 

If you look for conspiracy you will always find it. 

[cityfanlee23]

10 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Players don't get dropped under this manager - I'm wondering when people will start to understand what's being done here. I'm certain the players will understand. 

Bit of a stretch to make claims like that so early into his career. Maybe in the case of Ndidi dropped is the wrong word. But Ndidi has averaged about 60 minutes per game this season. If we are going to replace one of the midfielders to bring Casadei on for minutes i'd far rather it be KDH who has obviously contributed statistically but has often been very poor for long periods.

[Tommy Fresh]

Interested to see Tchamadeu for them, also how likely is it Ben Pearson will injure someone

[cityfanlee23]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Ok, each to their own, but I see far less of a reason to not trust the manager this far. 

 

If you look for conspiracy you will always find it. 

I've not once said I don't trust him, you can disagree with a decision without having your trust questioned. And it's not a conspiracy either.
 

[JimJams]

A solid showing from the reserves today should see us extend the gap over the leeches beneath our feet.

 

Just don't shit your britches when we're not 2-0 up within 5 minutes.

 

 

 

At 10 minutes, fine.

[Tommy Fresh]

1 minute ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Bit of a stretch to make claims like that so early into his career. Maybe in the case of Ndidi dropped is the wrong word. But Ndidi has averaged about 60 minutes per game this season. If we are going to replace one of the midfielders to bring Casadei on for minutes i'd far rather it be KDH who has obviously contributed statistically but has often been very poor for long periods.

I think it's more aimed at players seemingly having done nothing wrong being rotated, which is what your initial point was about (Ndidi).

[moore_94]

1 minute ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Bit of a stretch to make claims like that so early into his career. Maybe in the case of Ndidi dropped is the wrong word. But Ndidi has averaged about 60 minutes per game this season. If we are going to replace one of the midfielders to bring Casadei on for minutes i'd far rather it be KDH who has obviously contributed statistically but has often been very poor for long periods.

KDH has a break for 2 weeks after today

 

Ndidi is off with Nigeria

 

It makes sense why it would be Ndidi rested and not KDH

[cityfanlee23]

Just now, moore_94 said:

KDH has a break for 2 weeks after today

 

Ndidi is off with Nigeria

 

It makes sense why it would be Ndidi rested and not KDH

As much as I understand the logic, why does he need to be rested after only 3 full games recently. He's averaged 60 minutes. I'd argue he probably needs more minutes if he wants to go to international duty fully match fit.

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I've not once said I don't trust him, you can disagree with a decision without having your trust questioned. And it's not a conspiracy either.
 

Of course but your proposition if without any quantifiable basis. 

[Libertine]

ENZO ROULETTE STRIKES AGAIN LADS.

[cityfanlee23]

2 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

I think it's more aimed at players seemingly having done nothing wrong being rotated, which is what your initial point was about (Ndidi).

Yeah I realise dropped was a poorly chosen word.

[Turtle27]

8 minutes ago, Dandy king said:

Been better recently tbf

Only when he doesn’t have to jump 

[HighPeakFox]

4 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Bit of a stretch to make claims like that so early into his career. Maybe in the case of Ndidi dropped is the wrong word. But Ndidi has averaged about 60 minutes per game this season. If we are going to replace one of the midfielders to bring Casadei on for minutes i'd far rather it be KDH who has obviously contributed statistically but has often been very poor for long periods.

Fine - that's your opinion. And yes in time he might end up dropping players longer term, but there's a clear pattern to this. Others have mentioned the plausible suggestion of upcoming international duty.

 

Dropped IS the wrong word, indeed - and because you used it, obviously people will seek to amend it with their opinion.

[cityfanlee23]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Of course but your proposition if without any quantifiable basis. 

Which is why I used the word "if". He has averaged 60 minutes, so I don't buy into the rested argument. He needs to be averaging more than 60 minutes if he wants full match fitness for the internationals in my opinion.

[whoareyaaa]

17 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

The rotation does show one thing...how important Winks is that he isn't the one to be rested

or KDH

[Crinklyfox]

How many times have we sent a player out on loan only for him to get very little game time?  Enzo appears to have no fear in playing loanees which in the longer term will make other clubs more willing to let us have potentially very decent players on loan.  The down side is that we send out a below optimum side but we may not need to have our best out today and in any case we have a great bench.

[HighPeakFox]

Players are rotated when we have viable alternatives, regardless of how the rotatee has played recently. Given how BR played players into the ground, it seems a little quaint (or obtuse) to object to it.

[whoareyaaa]

5 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

KDH has a break for 2 weeks after today

 

Ndidi is off with Nigeria

 

It makes sense why it would be Ndidi rested and not KDH

So we doing Belgium and Nigeria a favour, strange way to look at it if that is the case.

[SafewayFox]

Just now, cityfanlee23 said:

Which is why I used the word "if". He has averaged 60 minutes, so I don't buy into the rested argument. He needs to be averaging more than 60 minutes if he wants full match fitness for the internationals in my opinion.

I kinda see your point but a bit of perspective is needed.

 

We’re talking about a player (Wilf) who for the past two seasons looked like he was physically shot so I’m pretty sure it seems sensible to manage his minutes whilst also giving Casadei some of his own against a side that Enzo clearly seems a lesser challenge than Preston.

[KFS]

20 minutes ago, ARTY_FOX said:

What no mark amateurs have they put out? 

 

I suppose it doesn't matter. Won't of heard of them anyway 

 

Would be funny if I didn’t actually believe it

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Which is why I used the word "if". He has averaged 60 minutes, so I don't buy into the rested argument. He needs to be averaging more than 60 minutes if he wants full match fitness for the internationals in my opinion.

Maybe you are right but I can also see a reason for preferring other players in arguably less tough games, just so those that come in have the benefit of game time, especially those like Casadei