US Presidential Election 2024

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

That’s what I mean. What are they actually offering?? An extension of the IRA? Gold plating the SEC proposals? The above reads like page 373 of a ftse 100 annual report. Zero substance, total guff 

It's a fair argument to make. But at the same time I'm not sure now much detail they can or should go into on a webpage for public consumption.

 

I totally agree more substance needs to be available somewhere and communicated to whoever wants to know, though.

 

3 minutes ago, Dunge said:

If there’s something I think centrists both here and in America are lacking, it’s a vision. A vision for the future of the country, a destination to reach. Solving climate change should be it, but centrists never been able to separate that from left wing politics.

I honestly have no idea why avoiding mass death, suffering and displacement has been framed as a left-wing issue anyway. You'd think it would encompass anyone outside the most self-interested and short-sighted.

[Lionator]

9 minutes ago, Dunge said:

If there’s something I think centrists both here and in America are lacking, it’s a vision. A vision for the future of the country, a destination to reach. Solving climate change should be it, but centrists never been able to separate that from left wing politics.

The problem they have is that the centrist system that made everybody richer and more affluent in the 90’s, no longer works for the masses, yet they’re all pretending that it does. The super rich are looting the system and the masses are becoming poorer and poorer, with less and less. 
 

Quite frankly democrats climate policies are still pathetic compared to most of Europe, even China are doing far more in terms of renewable energy investment. It almost feels like tokenism to me at times. 

[Dunge]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I honestly have no idea why avoiding mass death, suffering and displacement has been framed as a left-wing issue anyway. You'd think it would encompass anyone outside the most self-interested and short-sighted.

I agree, but it has nonetheless. It could be framed as an opportunity, a step towards scientific development, independence and space travel. Instead it’s caught up with animal rights (see the other thread), social justice and reparations.

 

It irritates the hell out of me whenever I hear someone from Reform wanting to reap Net Zero but it’s a message that is resonating with people because it hasn’t been isolated.

[jgtuk]

16 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

It's a fair argument to make. But at the same time I'm not sure now much detail they can or should go into on a webpage for public consumption.

 

I totally agree more substance needs to be available somewhere and communicated to whoever wants to know, though.

 

I honestly have no idea why avoiding mass death, suffering and displacement has been framed as a left-wing issue anyway. You'd think it would encompass anyone outside the most self-interested and short-sighted.

Because it’s woke. 
 

 

[Dunge]

4 minutes ago, Lionator said:

The problem they have is that the centrist system that made everybody richer and more affluent in the 90’s, no longer works for the masses, yet they’re all pretending that it does. The super rich are looting the system and the masses are becoming poorer and poorer, with less and less. 
 

Quite frankly democrats climate policies are still pathetic compared to most of Europe, even China are doing far more in terms of renewable energy investment. It almost feels like tokenism to me at times. 

It’s true that nobody’s come up with an answer to globalisation and its control over country finances. Problem is it allows liars who pretend they have sound more attractive.

[Lionator]

5 minutes ago, Dunge said:

It’s true that nobody’s come up with an answer to globalisation and its control over country finances. Problem is it allows liars who pretend they have sound more attractive.

It’s like Starmer campaigns on a message of ‘national renewal’ then immediately goes in hard on austerity. Do they really think that’s going to win them the next election and solve the issues of this country?

[Dunge]

3 minutes ago, Lionator said:

It’s like Starmer campaigns on a message of ‘national renewal’ then immediately goes in hard on austerity. Do they really think that’s going to win them the next election and solve the issues of this country?

Even the message of national renewal is woolly. It’s “make things work better” without a particular aim or direction. It was enough to win this year’s election where the main/only danger was Labour shooting itself in the foot. As you say, it won’t be next time.

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

It's a fair argument to make. But at the same time I'm not sure now much detail they can or should go into on a webpage for public consumption.

 

I totally agree more substance needs to be available somewhere and communicated to whoever wants to know, though.

 

I honestly have no idea why avoiding mass death, suffering and displacement has been framed as a left-wing issue anyway. You'd think it would encompass anyone outside the most self-interested and short-sighted.

Hence I in no way trust a potential Harris administration to take the climate transition seriously. Their disclosure is baseless, there’s no plan other than ‘we take it seriously’ which is exactly what Shell also say. 
It’s even funnier because trump tries to attack Harris for being big on climate, when she clearly isn’t. His attack lines of ‘green new scam’ and ‘electric car mandate’ are made up

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Hence I in no way trust a potential Harris administration to take the climate transition seriously. Their disclosure is baseless, there’s no plan other than ‘we take it seriously’ which is exactly what Shell also say. 
It’s even funnier because trump tries to attack Harris for being big on climate, when she clearly isn’t. His attack lines of ‘green new scam’ and ‘electric car mandate’ are made up

I at least trust any Harris administration to have a chance, if small, of dealing with the problem.

 

I can understand it's the difference between Bob Hope and No Hope, but it's enough for me.

 

If there was a viable third option with a better chance, of course that would be the way to go.

Edited 20 October 2024 by leicsmac

[Dunge]

16 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Hence I in no way trust a potential Harris administration to take the climate transition seriously. Their disclosure is baseless, there’s no plan other than ‘we take it seriously’ which is exactly what Shell also say. 
It’s even funnier because trump tries to attack Harris for being big on climate, when she clearly isn’t. His attack lines of ‘green new scam’ and ‘electric car mandate’ are made up

Pretty much everything Trump says is made up. Words just leave his mouth and his supporters fall over themselves to justify them.

 

covfefe.

[Wymsey]

Reckon fries-flipping suits Donald more than being the US President, tbh..

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, Dunge said:

Pretty much everything Trump says is made up. Words just leave his mouth and his supporters fall over themselves to justify them.

 

covfefe.

Hahaha, ‘we had thousands tens of thousands actually millions at my rally in butler people queued up outside for days weeks actually months’

[ozleicester]

this is incredible....   hahahahaha

Trump says he "worked a shift" at McDonalds... except it was closed and everything was faked.

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, ozleicester said:

this is incredible....   hahahahaha

Trump says he "worked a shift" at McDonalds... except it was closed and everything was faked.

Secret Service rules isn't it.  Obviously a publicity stunt with vetted people or even staffers in in the drive through.

[leicsmac]

13 hours ago, Dunge said:

I agree, but it has nonetheless. It could be framed as an opportunity, a step towards scientific development, independence and space travel. Instead it’s caught up with animal rights (see the other thread), social justice and reparations.

 

It irritates the hell out of me whenever I hear someone from Reform wanting to reap Net Zero but it’s a message that is resonating with people because it hasn’t been isolated.

It obviously irritates me, too.

 

But at the same time, if the self-interested or apathetic can't parse between the necessity of the task and those perhaps going on too much about the bolded as a corollary, then that's on them and so should the accountability be if things go south. Which they will if Trump wins.

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, ozleicester said:

this is incredible....   hahahahaha

Trump says he "worked a shift" at McDonalds... except it was closed and everything was faked.

"... do you want lies with that?"

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, ozleicester said:

this is incredible....   hahahahaha

Trump says he "worked a shift" at McDonalds... except it was closed and everything was faked.

Lol what, you think they’re gonna keep the place open to the public and let bubba just walk in and order a happy meal??

[fox_up_north]

Bit naive to think he'd actually be able to work a proper shift. Amazed McDonald's allowed it, really. Could annoy customers.

[Daggers]

 

[EnderbyFox]

Twitter is just a full on propaganda machine these days isn't it. That "For You" tab is completely fabricated, never interacted with any Elon Musk tweets yet the For You page is completely full of his nonsense. 

 

Had a notifcation as soon as I logged in yesterday saying Donald Trump was livestreaming a rally.. couldn't give a toss mate, I log on Twitter for funny tweets about Steve Cooper

[leicsmac]

18 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said:

Twitter is just a full on propaganda machine these days isn't it. That "For You" tab is completely fabricated, never interacted with any Elon Musk tweets yet the For You page is completely full of his nonsense. 

 

Had a notifcation as soon as I logged in yesterday saying Donald Trump was livestreaming a rally.. couldn't give a toss mate, I log on Twitter for funny tweets about Steve Cooper

I didn't foresee any other possible outcome once Musk took over and went full mask off regarding Trump, sadly.

[Dunge]

I genuinely don’t understand why most Twitter users are still there.

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, Dunge said:

I genuinely don’t understand why most Twitter users are still there.

To watch Donald Trump rallies!!! I watched Greensboro last night. The greatest rally in the history of the world. We had 200,000 people outside and another 100,000 people outside who had queued up for two days in 150 degree heat 

[Jattdogg]

46 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

To watch Donald Trump rallies!!! I watched Greensboro last night. The greatest rally in the history of the world. We had 200,000 people outside and another 100,000 people outside who had queued up for two days in 150 degree heat......

....barefoot carrying elderly on their back- who can't afford food because of the illegal criminals crossing our borders that feed on their dogs.......

[Jon the Hat]

On 22/10/2024 at 17:38, Dunge said:

I genuinely don’t understand why most Twitter users are still there.

I only look at people I follow, and generally they are talking about UK politics, not the US.