Cooper - OUT

[StriderHiryu]

Sad watching this. This was our manager this time last season, and we've gone backwards. We were playing the exact same system but ditched it for whatever Cooper's system is instead.

 

 

 

It's interesting that Cooper makes the same mistake that Poch did - not enough support for the build up player (Winks) when we try to get out.

 

 

 

Edited 2 October 2024 by StriderHiryu

[Uncle Monty]

11 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I’m quite shocked by how bad Cooper has been to be honest, he wasn’t ever my first choice or even my 5th but he was on the list of about 8 I’d have taken given his record with bringing through younger players and his ability seemingly to get a tune out of players at his disposal, the waters were muddied by Forests wholesale signings which looked against coopers will and that obviously papered over a lot of cracks because you could make the argument that he had his hands tied behind his back as the club was signing players he didn’t want and was having to be pragmatic to make it work. 
 

I’ve seen nothing like that since he arrived, no plan, no clue. 
I didn’t want him but I warmed to him once it was announced and got behind him, many others on here were completely right to be worried about him being the replacement. In hindsight Enzo atleast had a direction, now we don’t even have that. 
 

I do want Steve Cooper to be successful here, but it just feels week after week like we are delaying the inevitable. 
I’m just not sure who we could get in right now. I don’t really believe Enzo anyway when he said he would rather stay at LCFC as a priority when Chelsea were clearly monitoring him, he was visibly angry at the fact we didn’t properly disclose the finances to him (not sure I believe that either) but he would have known coming into the summer that the budget was massively limited with a potential deduction, so the moment Chelsea went in for him officially he was gone regardless of what we did imo. 
 

We just needs to decide sooner rather than later what the best path forward is, I’d say it seems pretty unanimous now that most fans have very little faith in what Cooper is offering so far. 
 

Sad to talk about replacements so soon, but the football we’ve put together so far has been pretty awful for the majority of each game. This isn’t sustainable, so far we’ve been lucky that atleast 6 teams are just as poor as we are.

Just listened to the Under the Cosh pod with Albrighton and he talked about McLeish coming in at Villa and that it was never going to work as the fans were against him from the start.

 

Seems there are some parallels here. Nice bloke and all but sometimes things aren't a good fit.

[RoboFox]

7 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Sad watching this. This was our manager this time last season, and we've gone backwards. We were playing the exact same system but ditched it for whatever Cooper's system is instead.

 

 

 

It's interesting that Cooper makes the same mistake that Poch did - not enough support for the build up player (Winks) when we try to get out.

 

 

 

Always slightly perturbs me whenever I see James pop up. 

 

I used to work with the guy - he used to sit right behind me. He left to join a new YouTube startup, which I thought was risky.

I'm still at the same company. FML.

[StriderHiryu]

2 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

Always slightly perturbs me whenever I see James pop up. 

 

I used to work with the guy - he used to sit right behind me. He left to join a new YouTube startup, which I thought was risky.

I'm still at the same company. FML.

He's smashing it. According to some You Tube calcualtors I have seen, he is making upwards of £150K a year from it.

[RoboFox]

5 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

He's smashing it. According to some You Tube calcualtors I have seen, he is making upwards of £150K a year from it.

I didn't need to know this, mate. 

[FLINTHAMFC]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

But you ignored the stat that we conceded the least goals in the league last season. 

 

What stats are you looking at that back up your claim that we defended badly under Enzo? Post them, should be easy enough to find on Opta or wherever. 

 

WhoScored have us ranked number 1 for defensive actions last season based on an aggregate scores across shots conceded, tackles, interceptions, fouls and offsides.

 

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/7/Seasons/9622/Stages/22080/TeamStatistics/England-Championship-2023-2024

No i didnt 🙄 Are you a chick?

 

 

[TheGoldenGod]

25 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

He's smashing it. According to some You Tube calcualtors I have seen, he is making upwards of £150K a year from it.

Well I can't comment on what he's earning but he did JUST sign a deal with the Premier League officially to do breakdowns on tactics so fair play to him!

 

From his content I've watched recently, he really isn't fancying us this year. Pretty sure when he ranked all windows, he had us right at the bottom

[cityfanlee23]

44 minutes ago, Uncle Monty said:

Just listened to the Under the Cosh pod with Albrighton and he talked about McLeish coming in at Villa and that it was never going to work as the fans were against him from the start.

 

Seems there are some parallels here. Nice bloke and all but sometimes things aren't a good fit.

Yep, a large amount didn’t want him, and those that got behind him most were cautious. 
 

We had so many Forest fans saying the same thing to us that our fans said about Pearson at clubs like Bristol City, but he’s really not giving me any signs of a foundation being built, don’t get me wrong we are 6 games in nobody is expecting a legacy, but we don’t seem to even have an identity. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

32 minutes ago, FLINTHAMFC said:

No i didnt 🙄 Are you a chick?

 

 

Post some stats then or accept you've just got it wrong

[StriderHiryu]

14 minutes ago, TheGoldenGod said:

Well I can't comment on what he's earning but he did JUST sign a deal with the Premier League officially to do breakdowns on tactics so fair play to him!

 

From his content I've watched recently, he really isn't fancying us this year. Pretty sure when he ranked all windows, he had us right at the bottom

JLA is pretty good. The season we went down he was pretty low on us also, I think he had us at 14th, which was lower than most others. He just wasn't low enough

 

To be fair, a lot of that will to be do with the PSR stuff at the start of the season, though I would be surprised if he changed his opinion of us after the start we've made.

[FLINTHAMFC]

18 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Post some stats then or accept you've just got it wrong

Why to please you? I'm not your man.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 minutes ago, FLINTHAMFC said:

Why to please you? I'm not your man.

That's that then. Knew you were objectively wrong from the start but nice for you to have to admit it. Cheers 👍

[FLINTHAMFC]

3 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

That's that then. Knew you were objectively wrong from the start but nice for you to have to admit it. Cheers 👍

No worries happy to make you feel better love. 

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, Uncle Monty said:

Just listened to the Under the Cosh pod with Albrighton and he talked about McLeish coming in at Villa and that it was never going to work as the fans were against him from the start.

 

Seems there are some parallels here. Nice bloke and all but sometimes things aren't a good fit.

Except virtually 0% of the issues with Cooper are to do with the Forest link - it's to do with his lack of system, inability to properly coach the players, weird lineups and awful subs/in-game management. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

15 minutes ago, FLINTHAMFC said:

No worries happy to make you feel better love. 

Why are you acting like you've proven me wrong? You can't or won't back up your original claim with a single fact or stat, and tried to act like you're some kind of oracle that "looks past the results"

 

[pmcla26]

1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said:

Sad watching this. This was our manager this time last season, and we've gone backwards. We were playing the exact same system but ditched it for whatever Cooper's system is instead.

 

 

 

It's interesting that Cooper makes the same mistake that Poch did - not enough support for the build up player (Winks) when we try to get out.

 

 

 

The 3-2-4-1 is by far the most effective in-possession shape in football currently. Why on earth you would come in and deviate a squad away from that is beyond me. Didn't even have to coach into them - they all already knew how to play it. 

Edited 2 October 2024 by pmcla26

[Bilo]

32 minutes ago, FLINTHAMFC said:

Why to please you? I'm not your man.

 

1 hour ago, FLINTHAMFC said:

No i didnt 🙄 Are you a chick?

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, FLINTHAMFC said:

No worries happy to make you feel better love. 

Genuinely what is your argument here? That only women make decisions based on statistics and evidence? That it's more Alpha male to just believe and hope? 

 

Your brain farts here are just bizarre. Just admit that you would sell your family to lick Andrew Tate's chocolate starfish and move on so the adults can speak.

[Bilo]

2 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

The 3-2-4-1 is by far the most effective in-possession shape in football currently. Why on earth you would come in and deviate a squad away from that is beyond me. Didn't even have to coach into them - they all already knew how to play it. 

Hermansen

Okoli

Faes

Vestegaard

Skipp

Ndidi

Fatawu

Bounanotte

El-Khannous

Mavididi

Edouard

 

We even have the players for it.

[pmcla26]

Just now, Bilo said:

Hermansen

Okoli

Faes

Vestegaard

Skipp

Ndidi

Fatawu

Bounanotte

El-Khannous

Mavididi

Edouard

 

We even have the players for it.

Hermansen 

 

Okoli (I would've signed a left-footed centre back in summer, instead, but now would put Faes in that role, or JJ) 

Vestergaard 

Faes 

 

Ricardo 

Winks

 

Fatawu 

Ndidi 

Facundo/Bilal 

Mavididi 

 

Vardy 

 

Would be my 11

 

[Babylon]

10 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

The 3-2-4-1 is by far the most effective in-possession shape in football currently. Why on earth you would come in and deviate a squad away from that is beyond me. Didn't even have to coach into them - they all already knew how to play it. 

Because it's not what he wants, all his guff about posession and atractive football, or being inspired by x, y, z spanish coach is, from what I can tell so far, a tall tale. 

 

I wrote a long post this morning about my biggest gripe with his is the fact he's sold himself as something he's quite clearly not (which for some reason vanished or didn't post), I fell for it and the board probably fell for it as well. Perhaps I'm too trusting in what people say. 

 

That's not to say his way can't keep us up, it can. But whilst trying to paint himself as some expansive forward thinking coach, he's so far just proved to be your usual bog standard limited british coach. Trading standards should probably have a word about false advertising. 

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, FLINTHAMFC said:

No i didnt 🙄 Are you a chick?

 

 

absolutely wild revelation that stats are for women going on here

[ClaphamFox]

6 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Because it's not what he wants, all his guff about posession and atractive football, or being inspired by x, y, z spanish coach is, from what I can tell so far, a tall tale. 

 

I wrote a long post this morning about my biggest gripe with his is the fact he's sold himself as something he's quite clearly not (which for some reason vanished or didn't post), I fell for it and the board probably fell for it as well. Perhaps I'm too trusting in what people say. 

 

That's not to say his way can't keep us up, it can. But whilst trying to paint himself as some expansive forward thinking coach, he's so far just proved to be your usual bog standard limited british coach. Trading standards should probably have a word about false advertising. 

I'm convinced he got the job because he reassured the board that he'd pick up where Maresca left off and the board thought, "Great! We thought we were going to have to fork out for Corberan but now we don't have to." Then Cooper started work and it became apparent that he had no intention of playing Maresca's way despite having a squad that was ready-made for it.

 

Will Cooper revert to a style that more closely resembles last season's (and brings Fatawu and Ricardo back into the fold)? It seems unlikely. So his only hope is that he somehow manages to get the players to play his way. And if there are no clear signs of this happening soon, that will probably be it for him.

[Nolucklcfc]

Reports coming out Martin under pressure at Southampton. 

[Muzzy_no7]

11 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Reports coming out Martin under pressure at Southampton. 

They will act before us and likely get Hjulmand or Schmidt while Wolves inevitably get Conceicao with the Mendes link. 

[ClaphamFox]

21 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Reports coming out Martin under pressure at Southampton. 

Nobody's expecting them to get anything at Arsenal on Saturday, which means their home game against us could be both Martin's and Cooper's last chance to save themselves.