Cooper - OUT

[Scotch]

3 minutes ago, markko said:

I see so many comments on here from football managers. Everyone is entitled.to their own views. We are not managers we are fans. Cooper is the manager and he has a reasonable pedigree. When people were clambering for certain players to play and they did, what happened? We are also (mostly) not business owners and so we have no knowledge of why the board like a certain manager and what is their trigger point. We have some very tough games coming and any incoming manager would be out before he was in almost. Moving Justin is not going to make us contenders IMO.

Who said anything about making us contenders? It's simply a case of addressing a clear weakness in our game which you would think a manager of a "reasonable pedigree" would do. Yet, he's hasn't even though it's been exposed all season. 

 

You are right though, we are only fans so if we can see this weakness then actual managers of the opposition certainly can and taking no action is going to result in more of the same. 

[Fox85]

7 minutes ago, markko said:

I see so many comments on here from football managers. Everyone is entitled.to their own views. We are not managers we are fans. Cooper is the manager and he has a reasonable pedigree. When people were clambering for certain players to play and they did, what happened? We are also (mostly) not business owners and so we have no knowledge of why the board like a certain manager and what is their trigger point. We have some very tough games coming and any incoming manager would be out before he was in almost. Moving Justin is not going to make us contenders IMO.

Cooper is not a manager I would even go as far and say that he is not actually a coach.

 

He is a person way out his depth and was able to con a position roughly around 7 leagues higher than  he should be working in.

 

There is a reason no premier league teams wanted him.

 

There is a reason no championship teams wanted him.

 

 

[markko]

1 minute ago, Scotch said:

Who said anything about making us contenders? It's simply a case of addressing a clear weakness in our game which you would think a manager of a "reasonable pedigree" would do. Yet, he's hasn't even though it's been exposed all season. 

 

You are right though, we are only fans so if we can see this weakness then actual managers of the opposition certainly can and taking no action is going to result in more of the same. 

Maybe he can't address it without weakening another area of the team. I honestly don't feel Cooper has had a fair chance. He came and I guess no one else was that keen. If we got someone like Moyes people would be moaning. We are not that great and we need to  just be better than three other teams.

[FrankieADZ]

apologises if this has been posted already, but the stats dont lie and they are frankly shocking

[markko]

4 minutes ago, Fox85 said:

Cooper is not a manager I would even go as far and say that he is not actually a coach.

 

He is a person way out his depth and was able to con a position roughly around 7 leagues higher than  he should be working in.

 

There is a reason no premier league teams wanted him.

 

There is a reason no championship teams wanted him.

 

 

What is your experience of football management? He may not have wanted any jobs outside the top two divisions. He is certainly good enough to be a championship manager.

[The Doctor]

2 hours ago, Wymsey said:

Rudkin, Top and him apparently rarely see eye to eye.

hard to when Top can't be arsed to show up half the time

[Scotch]

5 minutes ago, markko said:

Maybe he can't address it without weakening another area of the team. I honestly don't feel Cooper has had a fair chance. He came and I guess no one else was that keen. If we got someone like Moyes people would be moaning. We are not that great and we need to  just be better than three other teams.

Then he isn't a football manager. Adjusting and addressing tactical weakness' whilst exposing the oppositions IS his job. Stripped back, that's his primary function as a manager. 

 

Just ignoring it in fear of creating an issue elsewhere isn't really an option. 

[Pliskin]

Has this bellend maximus gone yet?

[The Horse's Mouth]

19 minutes ago, Fox85 said:

Cooper is not a manager I would even go as far and say that he is not actually a coach.

 

He is a person way out his depth and was able to con a position roughly around 7 leagues higher than  he should be working in.

 

There is a reason no premier league teams wanted him.

 

There is a reason no championship teams wanted him.

 

 

You’re just being daft now, his body of work is relatively impressive

[markko]

6 minutes ago, Scotch said:

Then he isn't a football manager. Adjusting and addressing tactical weakness' whilst exposing the oppositions IS his job. Stripped back, that's his primary function as a manager. 

 

Just ignoring it in fear of creating an issue elsewhere isn't really an option. 

Okay. Let's watch it play out. Cooper inept. Dismissed and replaced by a new face. Same squad. Let us see how he gets on. You may be right and it is really easy. I have my doubts but am happy to be proved wrong.

[sylofox]

If they ain't done it today they ain't doing it yet.

 

Just proves how poorly run we are and what idiots are running our club.

 

They need to all fvck off.

[Weller Wing]

1 minute ago, markko said:

Okay. Let's watch it play out. Cooper inept. Dismissed and replaced by a new face. Same squad. Let us see how he gets on. You may be right and it is really easy. I have my doubts but am happy to be proved wrong.

We've seen it loads of times where a new manager comes in , gets players motivated and comfortable in their positions. 

It doesn’t always work, but we have to take that chance , as this bloke will definitely take us down.

[sylofox]

6 minutes ago, markko said:

Okay. Let's watch it play out. Cooper inept. Dismissed and replaced by a new face. Same squad. Let us see how he gets on. You may be right and it is really easy. I have my doubts but am happy to be proved wrong.

Rodgers would not play Soyuncu. Yet he was probably our best player in the run in.

 

Not really seeing your point and how it's valid.

Coopers tac tics are none existent and our players look lost. An half decent div 1 manager would make us look better.

 

Infact anyone with bollox and a plan would make us look better.

[Scotch]

19 minutes ago, markko said:

Okay. Let's watch it play out. Cooper inept. Dismissed and replaced by a new face. Same squad. Let us see how he gets on. You may be right and it is really easy. I have my doubts but am happy to be proved wrong.

I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying that having a manager that CAN'T or WON'T address our tactical fragilities isn't a better option than replacing him with someone who MIGHT come up against the same problems. 

[markko]

26 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Rodgers would not play Soyuncu. Yet he was probably our best player in the run in.

 

Not really seeing your point and how it's valid.

Coopers tac tics are none existent and our players look lost. An half decent div 1 manager would make us look better.

 

Infact anyone with bollox and a plan would make us look better.

Apply for the job then if it is that easy.

[markko]

19 minutes ago, Scotch said:

I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying that having a manager that CAN'T or WON'T address our tactical fragilities isn't a better option than replacing him with someone who MIGHT come up against the same problems. 

Might? By the sounds of it we have employed the most inept manger ever and the answer is simple. Sack and replace. 

[markko]

29 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Rodgers would not play Soyuncu. Yet he was probably our best player in the run in.

 

Not really seeing your point and how it's valid.

Coopers tac tics are none existent and our players look lost. An half decent div 1 manager would make us look better.

 

Infact anyone with bollox and a plan would make us look better.

I really liked Soyuncu but let's have it right he has not pulled any trees up since has he?

[RedSoxUK]

45 minutes ago, markko said:

When people were clambering for certain players to play and they did, what happened?

Cooper 100% did this at home to Forest as his win-win, get out without being shot by the fans card 'well at least he played Enzo's 3241 with Ricardo!' to appease the 40%, probably less, that actually want that (IF ENZO WAS HERE.) The fact Cooper suddenly just forgot his pre-season and first 8-10 competitive games to revert to a system he doesn't know and certainly can't coach like the man who famously only did that formation, shows something is up behind the scenes with the players or board wanting him to either 1) have more possession, or 2) play like we did when we got promoted. Why would he, a professional football manager with a decade of experience, suddenly go to a system that some of the squad know all of a sudden? that really stinks of an uncreative imitator with one concern - him staying in post as long as he can.

 

 

54 minutes ago, markko said:

I see so many comments on here from football managers. Everyone is entitled.to their own views. We are not managers we are fans. Cooper is the manager and he has a reasonable pedigree.

He came in and immediately talked us down, general negativity with that little old Leicester vibe.. about us needing to be 'premiership ready', 'establishing ourselves back to the level', 'work hard to get back to the level' - you can sure as shit assume he's been talking to the squad about adjusting to the PL rather than doing what he should have done capitalising on his good fortune for getting the job and thrown Brodgers under the bus with a "Yeah the team got promoted, should never have been relegated, this is a team where many of the players finished top half 3 years ago.. where 9 of the current playing squad were playing when we were 8th in 2022 He should be psychologically building in that we should be better than a promoted team from the Championship, I think a LOT of the players think that themselves. It's a general testament to his negative tactics, and self fulfilling prophecy about calling us 17th/18th best, end up 17th/18th best.

 

 

[hejammy]

Surely there's an email address or something we can make the club aware of our concerns? Can anyone share something on how we can do this? Fan engagement personel or someone? I'm just not convinced the powers that be are truly aware of how we all feel? 

[RedSoxUK]

5 minutes ago, hejammy said:

Surely there's an email address or something we can make the club aware of our concerns? Can anyone share something on how we can do this? Fan engagement personel or someone? I'm just not convinced the powers that be are truly aware of how we all feel? 

Steve Cooper probably reads this thread every night then makes notes like "must keep playing Justin as a sort of right winger but not an attacking winger, just sort of out there on his own".

[Fox85]

1 hour ago, markko said:

What is your experience of football management? He may not have wanted any jobs outside the top two divisions. He is certainly good enough to be a championship manager.

Why did no championship clubs go to him.

 

You do know how much forest spent to get back in the premier league dont you?

Sorry I mean just scrape getting back into the premier league after huge financial backing.

 

Also point to note.

 

Since forest hired a actual manager look how they have progressed not regressed like we are under Cooper 

[Fox85]

1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

You’re just being daft now, his body of work is relatively impressive

Is it?

 

 

[cruzFOX]

what’s the chances we can start talks with van nostrils? He’s a free agent from today!

[The Horse's Mouth]

17 minutes ago, Fox85 said:

Is it?

 

 

Got back to back playoffs at Swansea didn’t he? And the job he did at Forest was great. You may dislike him but to suggest his experience should warrant him a non league manager is daft

[Sly]

1 hour ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

OPTA supercomputer predicting we will be relegated 

 

It was also predicting we’d stay up as well! 
 

It’s about as Super as someone down at BetFred placing bets then losing all of their money.