King Power Out

[Mickyblueeyes]

Hi Aiayawatt, I hope you’ve woken up with diarrhea and shit the bed you *****. Wish the absolute worse on him. Wankstain

[LCFCJohn]

8 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I 100% think we should have done better, but I think only palace and Villa are comparable and operating at a similar level. 

 

The other aren't in my view spending last 6 seasons.

 

Newcastle have spent £745m with a net spend of 463m

West Ham have spent 728m with a net spend of 387m

Spurs have spent £970m with a net spend of 644m

Yeah if you’re looking relative to spend maybe. I was purely looking at the clubs that have achieved in the last 5 years what we failed to, top 4 and CL qualification and European trophies.

 

Palace have arguably surpassed our achievements based on resources. 100% they will should they win next week.

 

Villa again, have done it all. Europa League and top 4 CL qualification.

 

I agree with Spurs almost like they’d see Europa League as a bit of a come down after years of playing in the CL and a final. I just enjoyed classing them as one of the rest of us 

 

I’m not sure how much Newcastle had spent at the point they got in the top 4 in 2023 to be fair. You could argue that was an achievement just has they have underachieved since having spent more and not qualified again.

 

West Ham, yeah value for what they have spent you would expect them to have done something and being on the verge of relegation is shocking for them. But they still saw it out where we couldn’t.

[Chrysalis]

2 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

Newcastle - CL qualification 

Villa - CL qualification x 2 and Europa win

West Ham - Conference League win

Spurs - Europa League win

Crystal Palace - FA Cup win, Community Shield win and Conference League win maybe (?)

 

Obviously that’s the achievements of the none biggest clubs in the time since 2021. 
 

Sort of dispels the myth at how well we did right?
 

Palace have equalled our achievements with the FA Cup and Community Shield and look like they could go one better if they win the Conference League next week.

 

Newcastle and Villa showed it is possible to not completely bottle finishing in the top 4.

 

Villa and Spurs showed how to navigate the Europa League. Yes, we are more Spursy than Spurs!

 

And West Ham even won the Conference League.

 

Meanwhile, we bottle top 4 and both European competitions. 
 

It does water down the achievements a bit when you see other clubs operating at a similar level churning out these achievements. 

Why is 2021 the starting point, so many on here seem to not respect our Claudio era.  They think the Rodgers era was somehow better, those players were better etc.

CL qualification isnt an achievement either.

Since EPL introduction.  We are the 5th most successful club in the country, remember league cup wins also, and only one of two unfashionable clubs to win the EPL.

Palace have done well and may well be the 7th or 8th most successful club now since EPL inception if they win europa conferance.

Our achievements are EPL win, FA cup, 2x League cup, community shield.  We also have been in the CL (pot 1 to boot) for those who think that counts as an achivement.

Edited 21 May by Chrysalis

[Les-TA-Jon]

2 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

Newcastle - CL qualification 

Villa - CL qualification x 2 and Europa win

West Ham - Conference League win

Spurs - Europa League win

Crystal Palace - FA Cup win, Community Shield win and Conference League win maybe (?)

 

Obviously that’s the achievements of the none biggest clubs in the time since 2021. 
 

Sort of dispels the myth at how well we did right?
 

Palace have equalled our achievements with the FA Cup and Community Shield and look like they could go one better if they win the Conference League next week.

 

Newcastle and Villa showed it is possible to not completely bottle finishing in the top 4.

 

Villa and Spurs showed how to navigate the Europa League. Yes, we are more Spursy than Spurs!

 

And West Ham even won the Conference League.

 

Meanwhile, we bottle top 4 and both European competitions. 
 

It does water down the achievements a bit when you see other clubs operating at a similar level churning out these achievements. 

On the other hand I don't think any of those teams will win the premier league anytime soon, much less with a team of cast offs and nobodies that cost £20m to put together. 

 

Perhaps it's revisionism but it's long been discussed on this forum that even in the 'good times' (i.e Ranieri / Rodgers) there has been several mistakes under KP - I don't think we ever had the foundations/structure for long term success/building like those listed teams have or have created for themselves. I think we had a couple of purple patches of good recruitment coupled with the 'right' manager at the same time. 

[Chrysalis]

1 minute ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

On the other hand I don't think any of those teams will win the premier league anytime soon, much less with a team of cast offs and nobodies that cost £20m to put together. 

 

Perhaps it's revisionism but it's long been discussed on this forum that even in the 'good times' (i.e Ranieri / Rodgers) there has been several mistakes under KP - I don't think we ever had the foundations/structure for long term success/building like those listed teams have or have created for themselves. I think we had a couple of purple patches of good recruitment coupled with the 'right' manager at the same time. 

Not defending KP, post disaster, we have been an absolute shambles.

[filbertway]

23 hours ago, 21st Century Fox said:

 

Jan Kerfuffle (1949–2026)

 

It is with measured solemnity and several strongly worded internal memos that Leicester City F.C. announces the passing of Jan Kerfuffle, the club’s longest-serving Deputy Associate Liaison Officer for Peripheral Matchday Ambience.

 

Jan devoted an extraordinary 41 years to the club, beginning in 1985 after accidentally wandering into Filbert Street looking for a jumble sale and somehow being handed a staff lanyard. From that moment on, she became an immovable part of the Leicester City furniture — though, due to several regrettable upholstery incidents in the late 1990s, technically no longer allowed near the actual furniture.

 

Throughout her distinguished career, Jan held a variety of deeply unnecessary but passionately defended roles. These included:

• Senior Coordinator of Executive Thermos Placement

• Interim Assistant Vice Chair of Decorative Scarf Alignment

• Head of Ambient Corridor Morale

• Matchday Biscuit Integrity Supervisor (North Stand)

• Lead Consultant for “General Fuss & Tidying”

 

Her achievements were many, though often difficult to quantify. In 2007, Jan successfully reduced unexplained whistling in the staff car park by an estimated 14%. During the 2015–16 title-winning season, she was widely credited (by herself) with introducing “lucky mauve Wednesdays,” a tradition that coincided with three consecutive home victories and one unusually successful raffle.

 

Colleagues remember Jan as a woman of enormous presence, unconventional professionalism, and lipstick application techniques that refused to be constrained by geometry. Her office, located somewhere behind a vending machine for nearly two decades, was described by coworkers as “an ecosystem” and “surprisingly warm.”

 

She remained fiercely dedicated to Leicester City until her retirement in 2023, when she was presented with a commemorative crystal fox and a framed certificate thanking her for “services broadly rendered.”

 

Jan is survived by:

14 unopened tins of travel sweets,

a handbag weighing approximately 11 kilograms,

and an active grievance against Facilities Management dating back to 2004.

 

A minute’s confusion will be observed in her honour before the 5000/1 fixture. Donations may be made to the Society for the Preservation of Canteen Condiments, a cause Jan held dear after “The Sachet Incident” of 1998.

 

She will be deeply missed, occasionally understood, and almost certainly still somehow on payroll.

If post of the year still exists, this has got to be up there

 

[Chrysalis]

Just remembered this is the KP out thread, so I understand the nature of the post I replied to.

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, Chrysalis said:

Why is 2021 the starting point, so many on here seem to not respect our Claudio era.  They think the Rodgers era was somehow better, those players were better etc.

CL qualification isnt an achievement either.

Since EPL introduction.  We are the 5th most successful club in the country, remember league cup wins also, and only one of two unfashionable clubs to win the EPL.

Palace have done well and may well be the 7th or 8th most successful club now since EPL inception if they win europa conferance.

Our achievements are EPL win, FA cup, 2x League cup, community shield.  We also have been in the CL (pot 1 to boot) for those who think that counts as an achivement.

 

1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

On the other hand I don't think any of those teams will win the premier league anytime soon, much less with a team of cast offs and nobodies that cost £20m to put together. 

 

Perhaps it's revisionism but it's long been discussed on this forum that even in the 'good times' (i.e Ranieri / Rodgers) there has been several mistakes under KP - I don't think we ever had the foundations/structure for long term success/building like those listed teams have or have created for themselves. I think we had a couple of purple patches of good recruitment coupled with the 'right' manager at the same time. 

It’s not ignoring 2016 or even things that came previously like the League Cups. Nobody will ever achieve what we did in 2016 so it’s not a comparison which was the point of my post.

 

The point is, when we bottled too 4 twice and performed as we did in Europe, and people called that out, they were shouted down by many who claimed we had no right to have expected better in the circumstances. That is the relevance of the comparison and the timeframe.

 

If dropping a 14 point lead to finish 5th was an achievement, what about Villa and Newcastle achieving that in subsequent years showing that the big guns we’re actually there for the taking?

 

If we had no right to compete in the Europa League, how have Villa won at a canter, Forest even got to the semis and serial bottlers Spurs even won.

 

If getting to the semi finals of the Conference League was such an achievement, West Ham winning it and possibly Crystal Palace by next week makes a mockery of the performance we showed.

 

Even the genuine achievements (FA Cup and Shield) have been matched by Palace.

 

Thats why 2016 was not relevant to the point as it is about the Rodgers era and how the majority of fans wouldn’t call for him to go because of these achievements that have prompted be matched or exceeded by numerous PL clubs.

 

@Les-TA-Jon, absolutely agree with your second paragraph and I have said it regularly that it was all about the particular manager rather than club led strategy.

Edited 21 May by LCFCJohn

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[Stadt]

2 hours ago, MattFox said:

Being in the Conference League was a failure in itself 

We were joint favs with Napoli to win the Europa. If we were a serious club that would have been about the 5th time over Rodgers should have been sacked.

 

You can make the case the EL was easier to win too. Frankfurt and Rangers made the final as opposed to Roma and Slot’s Feyenoord.

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, MattFox said:

Villa are one of the biggest fanbases in the country with wealthy owners

 

I wouldn’t really lump them in with Palace and West Ham because they should really be a big 6 side

Arguably Spurs out, Villa in. Only a select period of the 2010s where Spurs were anything other than mid table in my lifetime 

Edited 21 May by CosbehFox

[Les-TA-Jon]

52 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

 

It’s not ignoring 2016 or even things that came previously like the League Cups. Nobody will ever achieve what we did in 2016 so it’s not a comparison which was the point of my post.

 

The point is, when we bottled too 4 twice and performed as we did in Europe, and people called that out, they were shouted down by many who claimed we had no right to have expected better in the circumstances. That is the relevance of the comparison and the timeframe.

 

If dropping a 14 point lead to finish 5th was an achievement, what about Villa and Newcastle achieving that in subsequent years showing that the big guns we’re actually there for the taking?

 

If we had no right to compete in the Europa League, how have Villa won at a canter, Forest even got to the semis and serial bottlers Spurs even won.

 

If getting to the semi finals of the Conference League was such an achievement, West Ham winning it and possibly Crystal Palace by next week makes a mockery of the performance we showed.

 

Even the genuine achievements (FA Cup and Shield) have been matched by Palace.

 

Thats why 2016 was not relevant to the point as it is about the Rodgers era and how the majority of fans wouldn’t call for him to go because of these achievements that have prompted be matched or exceeded by numerous PL clubs.

 

@Les-TA-Jon, absolutely agree with your second paragraph and I have said it regularly that it was all about the particular manager rather than club led strategy.

But doesn't it just show that since 2019-2021 that glut of clubs have simply upped their game? It seems we were at the forefront of this wave of 'best of the rest' in 2019-2021, got it totally wrong (flying too close to the sun) and have since disastrously declined. 

Whereas your Villas, Palaces, Forests etc have done it better since - that's a recent phenomenon - at the time of finishing 5th twice with Rodgers, it was rare for a non-big 6 side to finish in the top 6. It's become more common since. 

 

I agree with the general sentiment that had we been better ran, by being at the forefront of that wave, we were best placed to ride it to more success than we had. But I don't think club's doing it better since makes our 2019-2021 era worse in retrospect - I think the league has generally 'upskilled' 

[CosbehFox]

20 minutes ago, Stadt said:

We were joint favs with Napoli to win the Europa. If we were a serious club that would have been about the 5th time over Rodgers should have been sacked.

 

You can make the case the EL was easier to win too. Frankfurt and Rangers made the final as opposed to Roma and Slot’s Feyenoord.

I looked up the other week, if we won the group, we’d have played Leipzig or Atalanta, I wouldn’t have backed us against either of those. 
 

People are forgetting the loss to Slavia though. That was a disgrace really. Our run would have been Rangers, Arsenal, Villarreal and Manchester United from there. 

[CosbehFox]

58 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

 

It’s not ignoring 2016 or even things that came previously like the League Cups. Nobody will ever achieve what we did in 2016 so it’s not a comparison which was the point of my post.

 

The point is, when we bottled too 4 twice and performed as we did in Europe, and people called that out, they were shouted down by many who claimed we had no right to have expected better in the circumstances. That is the relevance of the comparison and the timeframe.

 

If dropping a 14 point lead to finish 5th was an achievement, what about Villa and Newcastle achieving that in subsequent years showing that the big guns we’re actually there for the taking?

 

If we had no right to compete in the Europa League, how have Villa won at a canter, Forest even got to the semis and serial bottlers Spurs even won.

 

If getting to the semi finals of the Conference League was such an achievement, West Ham winning it and possibly Crystal Palace by next week makes a mockery of the performance we showed.

 

Even the genuine achievements (FA Cup and Shield) have been matched by Palace.

 

Thats why 2016 was not relevant to the point as it is about the Rodgers era and how the majority of fans wouldn’t call for him to go because of these achievements that have prompted be matched or exceeded by numerous PL clubs.

 

@Les-TA-Jon, absolutely agree with your second paragraph and I have said it regularly that it was all about the particular manager rather than club led strategy.

I agree with your sentiment but there’s little doubt that the recent success of English clubs in Europa League and Conference League is directly tied to the format changes. 

[Dan]

In 2019/20 we had Justin, Chilwell, Soyuncu, Maddison, barnes, Tielemans, Ndidi, Iheanacho all 23 or under. All thriving in the Premier League. To bungle that and end up in League One in six years. You just cannot emphasise how dreadful this is. If we were a bottom half PL team now that would be a fumble, let alone this.

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

But doesn't it just show that since 2019-2021 that glut of clubs have simply upped their game? It seems we were at the forefront of this wave of 'best of the rest' in 2019-2021, got it totally wrong (flying too close to the sun) and have since disastrously declined. 

Whereas your Villas, Palaces, Forests etc have done it better since - that's a recent phenomenon - at the time of finishing 5th twice with Rodgers, it was rare for a non-big 6 side to finish in the top 6. It's become more common since. 

 

I agree with the general sentiment that had we been better ran, by being at the forefront of that wave, we were best placed to ride it to more success than we had. But I don't think club's doing it better since makes our 2019-2021 era worse in retrospect - I think the league has generally 'upskilled' 

I think it means there started to be a decline in what had been the ‘big 6’ for a number of years (which ironically we disrupted in 2016). And other sides capitalised on that.

 

I’m sure we had the talent but not the mentality to back it up and get over the line. 

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

I agree with your sentiment but there’s little doubt that the recent success of English clubs in Europa League and Conference League is directly tied to the format changes. 

Good point. Would it have made a difference to us? Possibly not as we got through the group stage and had that awful performance to Slavia Prague. And then in the following season knocked out in the group and ended up in the knock out stages of the Conference League.

 

Its an interesting thought but what benefit do you think the new group format has given English sides come the knock out rounds?

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, Dan said:

In 2019/20 we had Justin, Chilwell, Soyuncu, Maddison, barnes, Tielemans, Ndidi, Iheanacho all 23 or under. All thriving in the Premier League. To bungle that and end up in League One in six years. You just cannot emphasise how dreadful this is. If we were a bottom half PL team now that would be a fumble, let alone this.

Yeah but look at the careers of all those players since...oh wait...

[Les-TA-Jon]

2 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

I think it means there started to be a decline in what had been the ‘big 6’ for a number of years (which ironically we disrupted in 2016). And other sides capitalised on that.

 

I’m sure we had the talent but not the mentality to back it up and get over the line. 

Also just totally scattergun 'strategy' too. 

 

We ripped up our model to try to get into the top 4, yet both times we were close we refused to spend in the Jan windows and/or brought in crap players that made no difference. 

[Stadt]

3 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

I looked up the other week, if we won the group, we’d have played Leipzig or Atalanta, I wouldn’t have backed us against either of those. 
 

People are forgetting the loss to Slavia though. That was a disgrace really. Our run would have been Rangers, Arsenal, Villarreal and Manchester United from there. 

It’s hard to say but we had the better players than both. 
 

With the talent we had, we ought to have finished third at least once. A completely average DoF would have had us at 8th as the floor.

[coolhandfox]

6 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

Yeah if you’re looking relative to spend maybe. I was purely looking at the clubs that have achieved in the last 5 years what we failed to, top 4 and CL qualification and European trophies.

 

Palace have arguably surpassed our achievements based on resources. 100% they will should they win next week.

 

Villa again, have done it all. Europa League and top 4 CL qualification.

 

I agree with Spurs almost like they’d see Europa League as a bit of a come down after years of playing in the CL and a final. I just enjoyed classing them as one of the rest of us 

 

I’m not sure how much Newcastle had spent at the point they got in the top 4 in 2023 to be fair. You could argue that was an achievement just has they have underachieved since having spent more and not qualified again.

 

West Ham, yeah value for what they have spent you would expect them to have done something and being on the verge of relegation is shocking for them. But they still saw it out where we couldn’t.

Newcastle spent around 280m in the 3 windows before the season before they finished 4th........

[LCFCJohn]

32 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Newcastle spent around 280m in the 3 windows before the season before they finished 4th........

Yeah but they were still not an established club (still aren’t) like the ‘big 5’ now we can exclude Spurs. They were quite early in their development and like I say, arguably have underachieved since then.

 

I’m not sure Newcastle spending that suddenly makes us bottling top 4 twice and being crap in Europe the great achievements they were made out to be at the time to be fair….

[coolhandfox]

4 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Yeah but they were still not an established club (still aren’t) like the ‘big 5’ now we can exclude Spurs. They were quite early in their development and like I say, arguably have underachieved since then.

 

I’m not sure Newcastle spending that suddenly makes us bottling top 4 twice and being crap in Europe the great achievements they were made out to be at the time to be fair….

That not what I said.

 

But hey ho.

[LCFCJohn]

Just now, coolhandfox said:

That not what I said.

 

But hey ho.

No but it was a simply point. Many sides now outside the usual suspects have achieved the Europeans wins and top 4 that we failed to do. That shows that as some said at the time, it was poor from us. And as happened then, people are still making excuses for it.

[Chrysalis]

2 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Also just totally scattergun 'strategy' too. 

 

We ripped up our model to try to get into the top 4, yet both times we were close we refused to spend in the Jan windows and/or brought in crap players that made no difference. 

Example of the stuck between two minds problem we had with the club leadership, if they wanted to back the manager, then mid season they needed to plug the identified weaknesses in the squad, add some freshness.