Formula 1 2025

[Super_horns]

McLaren v Max at Spa then ?

 

Haas look good  and Sainz having a decent session .

 

Rain due Sunday to spice things up ..

[Legend_in_blue]

It's not exactly Spa 98 but we all know what is coming at the start of this procession...

[Legend_in_blue]

 

Jokers.

[Lionator]

What even is this sport anymore 

[Legend_in_blue]

1 minute ago, Lionator said:

What even is this sport anymore 

A procession.

[Lionator]

Just now, Legend_in_blue said:

A procession.

Is it all visceral trauma from Bianchi’s death which means they can’t race in drizzle?

[The Quick Brown Fox]

Let them do a few laps behind the safety car or under VSC to clear it then let them race 

[Legend_in_blue]

Why are they trundling round on inters in the first place?  

 

Get the wets on and get the race started.  

 

Visibility is fine, you can see for miles all around!  

[Legend_in_blue]

Is there any point in a wet tyre?  

 

If the level of rain doesn't require them but the visibility on the track is too poor to race, why bother with them?

 

As much as Max is dislikeable, I completely agree with him here.

 

Spa 98 you could hardly see across the race track, in comparison, this looks absolutely fine.

[cityfanlee23]

In fairness it’s easy for us as viewers to put the drivers lives at risk from our armchairs. 
Lando says visibility is bad behind the safety car, further back the onboards you can’t see anything it’s just a grey wall of water ahead of drivers, can’t even see the rear lights. 
 

I’m all for delaying the race in these conditions, these high downforce cars produce far more spray than any cars since the 80s. 
 

I’d much prefer seeing the cars out on track on full wets clearing the track though. 

seems pointless delaying the race and then having another spell of rain in 10 minutes and delaying again. 
 

But as a general principle I think given the current car designs delaying the race is sensible. Racing in these conditions is pretty much guaranteed a big smash or someone going off.

[cityfanlee23]

2 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Is there any point in a wet tyre?  

 

If the level of rain doesn't require them but the visibility on the track is too poor to race, why bother with them?

 

As much as Max is dislikeable, I completely agree with him here.

 

Spa 98 you could hardly see across the race track, in comparison, this looks absolutely fine.

This car design renders them pointless, too much downforce to use them, by the time you need wets the cars are creating too much spray to race safely. Looks like in next seasons regs they have banned a lot of the underfloor channels that create a lot of this spray 

[Legend_in_blue]

Inters will be wearing out on these safety car laps such is the level of caution these days.  

[Muzzy_no7]

This is ridiculous.

 

Get them racing 

[The Horse's Mouth]

The sport is dying with such heavy precautions and the end of the day the death toll has been healthy since the 90s. There comes a point where any element of risk being taken away completely ruins it as an event 

[Muzzy_no7]

Seriously where is this sport heading? 

[Muzzy_no7]

Supreme from Hamilton atm.

 

Annoying how inconsistent he’s become though 

[cityfanlee23]

Lewis is flying and for the first time in about a decade Ferrari have made a good strategy call. 

[reporterpenguin]

Going to be a challenge for the medium to go the whole distance

[Muzzy_no7]

This is where races become very boring and often DRS trains.

 

Moving to sustainable fuel, lighter cars and bringing back refuelling would solve this. 

[cityfanlee23]

The thing I can't understand is why have Mclaren given Lando a tyre advantage over Piastri when they were both pitting 1 lap after eachother and the plan was to go to the end? Conspiracy hat firmly on at the moment.

[The Bear]

The fact they all moved on to dry tyres with 30 laps to go is the main reason it's now boring. They're all trying to stretch their tyres out to the end so massive tyre management going on. 

 

Tyre management is always what kills any racing. I blame Pirelli and the FIA. Force them to make hard compounds that go 30 laps maximum and are a second a lap slower than mediums. Mediums that go 20 laps max and a second slower than soft. And softs that only go 10 laps at full pace but can last 15 with management. You'd see more pit stops and cars pushing more often. 

[The Bear]

Just now, cityfanlee23 said:

The thing I can't understand is why have Mclaren given Lando a tyre advantage over Piastri when they were both pitting 1 lap after eachother and the plan was to go to the end? Conspiracy hat firmly on at the moment.

They were trying to make up for what Lando lost waiting an extra lap to pit for dry tyres. It was his side of the garage that decided that, not the team. 

[Muzzy_no7]

2 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

The thing I can't understand is why have Mclaren given Lando a tyre advantage over Piastri when they were both pitting 1 lap after eachother and the plan was to go to the end? Conspiracy hat firmly on at the moment.

Split strategy. Teams often do it when 1 and 2 with a potential threat from behind/changing conditions 

[cityfanlee23]

Just now, The Bear said:

They were trying to make up for what Lando lost waiting an extra lap to pit for dry tyres. It was his side of the garage that decided that, not the team. 

But why would Oscar be put onto mediums if they were planning on going until the end? Landos engineer told him Oscar was going to the end within 1.5 laps of him pitting. So why have Mclaren taken such a pointless gamble? Either they decided to go to the end within 2 laps of pitting Oscar, or they planned it before hand and decided to gamble?

Oscar did a great job getting to the lead and potentially could be undone by being on the wrong tyre, unless Lando makes mistakes. 

[Muzzy_no7]

3 minutes ago, The Bear said:

The fact they all moved on to dry tyres with 30 laps to go is the main reason it's now boring. They're all trying to stretch their tyres out to the end so massive tyre management going on. 

 

Tyre management is always what kills any racing. I blame Pirelli and the FIA. Force them to make hard compounds that go 30 laps maximum and are a second a lap slower than mediums. Mediums that go 20 laps max and a second slower than soft. And softs that only go 10 laps at full pace but can last 15 with management. You'd see more pit stops and cars pushing more often. 

Refuelling would sort it with a move to sustainable fuels. 
 

Liberty won’t do it though