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[Foxdiamond]

16 minutes ago, Sampson said:

I’m not disagreeing with you on thar. I’m talking about what a population with a median voting age of 60 will vote for. You’re missing my point as to why population ageing is a fundamental problem with democracy - because it’s the people who are causing the biggest financial burden to the state who are the plurality of voters. I certainly don’t see them voting for increasing the pension age when they are the ones voting.

Have you seen the amount of free childcare provided by grandparents therefore relieving working parents and the state of a financial burden. 

[leicsmac]

WRT the "small boats" that seem to have become a focal point of the local elections to the benefit of Reform, I'm not sure singularly focusing on that matter at the expense of:

 

- the world foreign policy decisions that cause so many people to flee their countries in the first place

 

- the matter of increasing global temperatures that will cause a refugee crisis that will make the present one look very small

 

...is necessarily good political decision making, but hey, power through appealing to short term self interest is much easier, right?

[Sampson]

7 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Have you seen the amount of free childcare provided by grandparents therefore relieving working parents and the state of a financial burden. 

Again that’s emotive whataboutary which only tries to deflect from the actual problem, and the exact reason politicians refuse to even publicly approach the subject. Again, no one is saying older people are scroungers who don’t contribute to society: They are saying they objectively cost the state far more per person (and that state childcare does for the record) while contributing in taxes less.  

[leicsmac]

And a quick reminder about the person that Farage et al carry water for:

 

 

[the fox]

Am sorry but why are the elderly being talked about like some malignant tumer because they can't contribute to the economy anymore? They did their bit and deserve to be cared for now they've became feeble. What kind of social darwinism is at play here? People are people, they are not draft horses.

 

 

The problem is the economical and familial structure, not the people. When you burden people with long working hours, low wages, and disjointed homes where the children are kicked out at 18 and the elderly are sent to a  retirement house in droves you will not find homes anymore but cog-manufacturing factories to feed the machine. The rich get richer on the backs of the common people deprived of the simple luxury of a home.

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by the fox

[Foxdiamond]

13 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Again that’s emotive whataboutary which only tries to deflect from the actual problem, and the exact reason politicians refuse to even publicly approach the subject. Again, no one is saying older people are scroungers who don’t contribute to society: They are saying they objectively cost the state far more per person (and that state childcare does for the record) while contributing in taxes less.  

But you suggest that older people vote only for what affects them directly. Many of us also take into account the welfare of their children and grandchildren beyond our lifespan. 

[Foxdiamond]

10 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

And a quick reminder about the person that Farage et al carry water for:

 

 

What a twit!

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

What a twit!

A twit who, unfortunately, seems to have struck a chord with people in the UK in terms of policy, if today is any judge.

 

But maybe it's just a local election bump.

[Lionator]

15 minutes ago, the fox said:

Am sorry but why are the elderly being talked about like some malignant tumer because they can't contribute to the economy anymore? They did their bit and deserve to be cared for now they've became feeble. What kind of social darwinism is at play here? People are people, they are not draft horses.

 

 

The problem is the economical and familial structure, not the people. When you burden people with long working hours, low wages, and disjointed homes where the children are kicked out at 18 and the elderly are sent to a  retirement house in droves you will not find homes anymore but cog-manufacturing factories to feed the machine. The rich get richer on the backs of the common people deprived of the simple luxury of a home.

 

 

Nobody is blaming the elderly, the point is that our demographics are atrocious, younger people can’t afford to have kids and that assets are disproportionately balanced in favour of the elderly. The rich that you talk about are mostly elderly. Taxing wealth is the obvious answer but voting Reform will lead to the opposite. 

[Lako42]

Those who oppose the scum of reform need to align behind the lib dems. 

 

I really hope those not frothing at the mouth about Brown people can come together 

[Lionator]

23 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

And a quick reminder about the person that Farage et al carry water for:

 

 

Got the Russians crying though, so every bonus. They exaggerate their role anyway. 

[Foxdiamond]

Just now, Lionator said:

Nobody is blaming the elderly, the point is that our demographics are atrocious, younger people can’t afford to have kids and that assets are disproportionately balanced in favour of the elderly. The rich that you talk about are mostly elderly. Taxing wealth is the obvious answer but voting Reform will lead to the opposite. 

This oldie not voting Reform 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Lionator said:

Got the Russians crying though, so every bonus. They exaggerate their role anyway. 

Nah, the USSR paid the heaviest in lives, infrastructure and (relative) money.

 

Yeah, that's then and this is now but nothing about this statement deserves any kind of praise or is based on fact. Both egotistical bastards - Trump and Putin - are exactly that.

[Foxdiamond]

6 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Nah, the USSR paid the heaviest in lives, infrastructure and (relative) money.

 

Yeah, that's then and this is now but nothing about this statement deserves any kind of praise or is based on fact. Both egotistical bastards - Trump and Putin - are exactly that.

Trump comes out with such nonsense it is almost impossible to counter with a reasoned truth. He and his supporters just ignore it. Only hope is to persuade those with less closed minds.

[FoxyPV]

32 minutes ago, the fox said:

Am sorry but why are the elderly being talked about like some malignant tumer because they can't contribute to the economy anymore? They did their bit and deserve to be cared for now they've became feeble. What kind of social darwinism is at play here? People are people, they are not draft horses.

 

 

The problem is the economical and familial structure, not the people. When you burden people with long working hours, low wages, and disjointed homes where the children are kicked out at 18 and the elderly are sent to a  retirement house in droves you will not find homes anymore but cog-manufacturing factories to feed the machine. The rich get richer on the backs of the common people deprived of the simple luxury of a home.

 

 

The elderly are statistically more likely to be conservative and therefore vote reform.

 

They overwhelming voted for Brexit. 

[the fox]

10 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Nobody is blaming the elderly, the point is that our demographics are atrocious, younger people can’t afford to have kids and that assets are disproportionately balanced in favour of the elderly. The rich that you talk about are mostly elderly. Taxing wealth is the obvious answer but voting Reform will lead to the opposite. 

Which was the point of the second part of my post. When you push 18 year olds out to fend for themselves they will scamper to find any job they can which will lead to a surplus of supply hence a lower wage for everyone and the inability to start a family at a young age do to a wage barley fit to support 1 person let alone a family.

 

 

[Foxdiamond]

2 minutes ago, FoxyPV said:

The elderly are statistically more likely to be conservative and therefore vote reform.

 

They overwhelming voted for Brexit. 

How many that voted Brexit are no longer with us and how many that were not considered elderly in 2016 now in that bracket and will do so as time goes on.

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Trump comes out with such nonsense it is almost impossible to counter with a reasoned truth. He and his supporters just ignore it. Only hope is to persuade those with less closed minds.

Well, those that want to had better get better at controlling the argument then. Stuff like this is already happening:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/justice-department-louisiana-donald-trump-naacp-america-b2743274.html

 

 When the Justice Department lifted a school desegregation order in Louisiana this week, officials called its continued existence a “historical wrong” and suggested that others dating to the Civil Rights Movement should be reconsidered.

The end of the 1966 legal agreement with Plaquemines Parish schools announced Tuesday shows the Trump administration is “getting America refocused on our bright future,” Assistant Attorney General Harmeet Dhillon said.

 

(Just in case anyone was wondering, "bright" = "white".)

[Corky]

Can't wait for "**** the Reform" to be belted out towards Liverpool fans in future matches (I know Runcorn isn't in Liverpool but close enough ).

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, FoxyPV said:

The elderly are statistically more likely to be conservative and therefore vote reform.

 

They overwhelming voted for Brexit. 

 

4 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

How many that voted Brexit are no longer with us and how many that were not considered elderly in 2016 now in that bracket and will do so as time goes on.

The vote share for Reform is slightly slanted based on age, but not nearly as much as one might think.

 

This isn't really a problem with one age demographic - there's plenty of young men (and I'm sorry, it is mostly men) who are in favour of their ideas.

Edited 14 hours ago by leicsmac

[Foxdiamond]

2 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Well, those that want to had better get better at controlling the argument then. Stuff like this is already happening:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/justice-department-louisiana-donald-trump-naacp-america-b2743274.html

 

 When the Justice Department lifted a school desegregation order in Louisiana this week, officials called its continued existence a “historical wrong” and suggested that others dating to the Civil Rights Movement should be reconsidered.

The end of the 1966 legal agreement with Plaquemines Parish schools announced Tuesday shows the Trump administration is “getting America refocused on our bright future,” Assistant Attorney General Harmeet Dhillon said.

 

(Just in case anyone was wondering, "bright" = "white".)

When are the Democrats going to sort themselves out?

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

When are the Democrats going to sort themselves out?

Quite frankly they don't have the power by themselves right now, local or federal, to do so. Not through the usual channels.

 

Countering this isn't just on them - it's on judiciary, local officials and, at a basic level, everyday people.

[CosbehFox]

I am just hoping that their inability to govern is going to expose them. Those County Councils are going to be a total car crash. That's off the pure inability or experience of the newly elected councillors rather than any opinion of Reform's policies. 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

I am just hoping that their inability to govern is going to expose them. Those County Councils are going to be a total car crash. That's off the pure inability or experience of the newly elected councillors rather than any opinion of Reform's policies. 

That doesn't seem to stop their counterparts stateside, but here's hoping.

[CosbehFox]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

That doesn't seem to stop their counterparts stateside, but here's hoping.

But that's a two party system no where the realistic alternative is a decent flip in political foundation.

 

I suppose the worrying factor is how the EU has shifted but I am hoping we see what occurred in Poland after a term of the popularism stuff, the country voted 54% against it and in came Donald Tusk.