Is relegation a price worth paying for avoiding a PSR breach?

[Lutterworth Fox]

2 hours ago, John rayner said:

Well if that's the case we will end up in league 1 again

Called it months ago.

[ClaphamFox]

Just now, Lutterworth Fox said:

Called it months ago.

Not a chance.

[Lutterworth Fox]

3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Not a chance.

What? Of surviving in the Championship, if so you're in cloud cuckoo land.

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, Lutterworth Fox said:

What? Of surviving in the Championship, if so you're in cloud cuckoo land.

Not a chance of getting relegated to League One. Worst case scenario next year is mid-table consolidation, but I expect us to be around the play-offs at least, and possibly top two.

[Lutterworth Fox]

7 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Not a chance of getting relegated to League One. Worst case scenario next year is mid-table consolidation, but I expect us to be around the play-offs at least, and possibly top two.

Like l said, I'm afraid it's gonna be a double relegation. If I'm wrong I'm happy for you to come back in May 2026 and give me some abuse and l will gladly take it but I'm not holding my breath.

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, Lutterworth Fox said:

Like l said, I'm afraid it's gonna be a double relegation. If I'm wrong I'm happy for you to come back in May 2026 and give me some abuse and l will gladly take it but I'm not holding my breath.

On what basis are you expecting a double relegation? Is this something you've given some thought to or is it more of an (understandable) emotional response to our current dire situation in the PL?

[Lutterworth Fox]

Just now, ClaphamFox said:

On what basis are you expecting a double relegation? Is this something you've given some thought to or is it more of an (understandable) emotional response to our current dire situation in the PL?

Yes I've given it a lot of thought. Sadly a combination of expected points deduction before (or after) a ball is kicked next season, any half decent players we have (and that's not many) will be retired or sold, leaving us with a squad barely of Championship standard most of whom don't want to be here, and a possible transfer embargo is a recipe for disaster. Hope I'm wrong.

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, Lutterworth Fox said:

Yes I've given it a lot of thought. Sadly a combination of expected points deduction before (or after) a ball is kicked next season, any half decent players we have (and that's not many) will be retired or sold, leaving us with a squad barely of Championship standard most of whom don't want to be here, and a possible transfer embargo is a recipe for disaster. Hope I'm wrong.

No chance whatsoever of a transfer embargo and very little chance of a points deduction. We'll sell Hermansen for sure and a few others, but the players that remain will include a large contingent of those who won the Championship last season. We will have a sizeable budget to spend in the summer given our caution in the window that has just closed, plus the safety net of parachute payments. There is literally not a chance we will get relegated next season. The only question is whether we get promoted straight away or languish for a few years in mid-table - and that will be determined by how successfully the manager (whoever it is) is at getting rid of the deadwood and shifting the culture back to a winning one. A new director of football who can actually do the job would help, too.

[Lutterworth Fox]

16 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

No chance whatsoever of a transfer embargo and very little chance of a points deduction. We'll sell Hermansen for sure and a few others, but the players that remain will include a large contingent of those who won the Championship last season. We will have a sizeable budget to spend in the summer given our caution in the window that has just closed, plus the safety net of parachute payments. There is literally not a chance we will get relegated next season. The only question is whether we get promoted straight away or languish for a few years in mid-table - and that will be determined by how successfully the manager (whoever it is) is at getting rid of the deadwood and shifting the culture back to a winning one. A new director of football who can actually do the job would help, too.

I hope you're right but l think there is just too much that needs to be done quickly and for next season we'll find ourselves in freefall.

[CosbehFox]

20 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

No chance whatsoever of a transfer embargo and very little chance of a points deduction. We'll sell Hermansen for sure and a few others, but the players that remain will include a large contingent of those who won the Championship last season. We will have a sizeable budget to spend in the summer given our caution in the window that has just closed, plus the safety net of parachute payments. There is literally not a chance we will get relegated next season. The only question is whether we get promoted straight away or languish for a few years in mid-table - and that will be determined by how successfully the manager (whoever it is) is at getting rid of the deadwood and shifting the culture back to a winning one. A new director of football who can actually do the job would help, too.

Will be reduced by £10m to £15m though. Will be Year 2 - if 26/27 is the Championship that's when it gets really tough 

 

A huge reason why staying up this season is so big is that the Premier League is subject to a brand new TV deal which rewards everyone in the PL. 

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

Will be reduced by £10m to £15m though. Will be Year 2 - if 26/27 is the Championship that's when it gets really tough 

 

A huge reason why staying up this season is so big is that the Premier League is subject to a brand new TV deal which rewards everyone in the PL. 

I agree - staying up this season was an absolute necessity. But Enzo's decision to quit sent the club into a decision-making tailspin that (barring a miracle) is going to send us back down. If (when) we're relegated, it will be imperative that we get straight back up to avoid the slow suffocation of falling parachute payments that you refer to.

[Clever Fox]

5 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Well we didn’t breach for the year we were in the EFL and it’s far from clear whether the EFL will be able to go after us for the 2020-23 period. Presumably if the club believed an EFL-imposed deduction was inevitable in the event of relegation, it would have done everything it could to stay up? If a points deduction is heading our way no matter what, surely it would be far better to take it in the PL than the Championship?

 

Forget about the transfer embargo. There are no grounds for the EFL to impose one - zilch, zero, nada. It’s not happening. Some people have speculated that the EFL might try to go after us for 2020-23 (the period the PL tried but failed to punish us for), but - as stated above - it is not remotely clear that they will be able to.

 

What I’m getting at is that the club’s decision to prioritise avoiding a PSR breach over survival can only mean that it believes a points deduction will be avoided if we go down. Otherwise our lack of investment over the past month makes no sense whatsoever.

I agree with you. I don't think they can take action against us for the same reason the Prem couldn't . They are both two separate Legal entities.

 

I think the lack of spending this Window is either they want to be seen to be trying to comply with PSR. 

 

Or we are going for a big clearout and reset in the Summer. Probably a new Manager and Squad unless Ruud can work a miricle.

Edited 4 February by Clever Fox
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[Dan]

Refuse to vote. Refuse to allow them to reduce us to that.

[ceebeefox]

5 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

I’m sure Luton fans would have had a similar opinion about being the “big dogs” in the championship and look where that has currently got them, we can’t be complacent about it as that’s why we are currently in the situation we are in today 

No complacency quite right, but Luton big dogs? No way would their squad or fans think that after where they had come from.

[lcfcbluearmy]

5 hours ago, StanSP said:

I thought parachute payments are only received if you don't go back up straight away. 

We would have received parachute payments last season whilst in the championship but only last season we don't get the full 3 years as we are back in the prem

[jammie82uk]

15 minutes ago, ceebeefox said:

No complacency quite right, but Luton big dogs? No way would their squad or fans think that after where they had come from.

I mean in comparative sense, Their fans surely must of thought they would be part of the fight to go straight back up to the premier league and not involved in a relegation scrap and probably dropping down another league 

[TheLittleBigMan]

I don't care anymore.

[Pita]

4 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Not a chance of getting relegated to League One. Worst case scenario next year is mid-table consolidation, but I expect us to be around the play-offs at least, and possibly top two.

With the quality in our team mid table at best 

[stevostadium]

Think people are seriously optimistic here thinking were walking scot free next season.

 

Why did Sheff Utd get hit with a 2 points deduction this year then????

[stevostadium]

3 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

No chance whatsoever of a transfer embargo and very little chance of a points deduction. We'll sell Hermansen for sure and a few others, but the players that remain will include a large contingent of those who won the Championship last season. We will have a sizeable budget to spend in the summer given our caution in the window that has just closed, plus the safety net of parachute payments. There is literally not a chance we will get relegated next season. The only question is whether we get promoted straight away or languish for a few years in mid-table - and that will be determined by how successfully the manager (whoever it is) is at getting rid of the deadwood and shifting the culture back to a winning one. A new director of football who can actually do the job would help, too.

Why did Sheff Utd get hit with -2 this tear then?

[Smig123]

Unfortunately this shower of shit is not good enough to get us back up they ard doing there damn best to get us relegated if didnt know any better makes you wonder if they are running a book on it.. (Worst squad at KP for some seasons)It needs a complete overhaul From the muppets doing the transfer strategy to the playing and coaching staff. Needs sorting out at board level 1st shit only falls 1 way and its certainly not upwards. Only have to look at Luton this season as a prime example 

[ClaphamFox]

6 minutes ago, stevostadium said:

Why did Sheff Utd get hit with -2 this tear then?

For defaulting on payments to other clubs, which we haven’t done. 

[Number 6]

20 minutes ago, Pita said:

With the quality in our team mid table at best 

Mavididi, Vardy, Winks, Fatawu, Vestergaard, Justin all likely to be around next season, and all proved too good for the Champ last season. A lot of these players have very recently been tested in the Champ, and proved themselves to be very strong in that division.

[filthyfox]

Very clear answer here.

 

KING POWER OUT!

RUDKIN OUT!

[FrankieADZ]

8 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

You're getting confused. That statement relates to the 2021-24 period. The EFL suspected we might breach for that period (and eventually imposed a temporary transfer embargo on us), but we know for a fact that we did not breach for that period as the PL confirmed it a few weeks ago. So there is zero possibility of the EFL punishing us for the period that ended June 2024.

we'll see tho when we go down