purpleronnie Posted 10 August 2012 Posted 10 August 2012 1. Because it's technologically impossible. We can't make a suit that can protect somebody from temperatures that go from way above boiling point straight down to instant freeze with no inbetween. If it was possible they'd make some. 2. I think the pictures are rubbish! So are the flag pictures. As for the landing craft pictures - they are the most ridiculous ones of all. They show a black patch that has obviously been squiggled over on MSPaint, and they show an unidentifiable light coloured object inside the edges of the black squiggles. The pictures are very poor pieces of evidence in my opinion. Oh poo, I think I've been had. Your 2nd response can't be serious.
AdamN Posted 10 August 2012 Posted 10 August 2012 I'm still waiting for some physical human evidence to prove that we can. It's about time they got on with it. We've got the means to travel through the belts but nobody seems to be doing it with human cargo for some reason.'Science' can't prove that we can travel through the belts safely without backing it up with real mission data. If we are supposedly preparing to send men to our moon, and to Mars, then you would think that we would be doing a few tests to see what we have to prepare for regarding the belts. But no, nothing is happening. We have data from when we sent men to the Moon. Your entire argument is "I don't believe that happened so it's about time they got some REAL data". And tell me, even if they did send someone out tomorrow and brought back a shitload of new data (which they don't need to, because they already have enough), would you believe they really did it? Would you believe the figures? If so, why? Surely they would have just faked that too? And this is the last time I'm gonna reference this post, because it's either invisible to you or you're willfully ignoring it: http://www.foxestalk...00#entry2300506 There you go. Look at those PDFs. Data. Lots of it. Facts, figures, graphs. Exactly the kind of stuff you're looking for.
marty78 Posted 10 August 2012 Posted 10 August 2012 We have data from when we sent men to the Moon. Your entire argument is "I don't believe that happened so it's about time they got some REAL data". And tell me, even if they did send someone out tomorrow and brought back a shitload of new data (which they don't need to, because they already have enough), would you believe they really did it? Would you believe the figures? If so, why? Surely they would have just faked that too? And this is the last time I'm gonna reference this post, because it's either invisible to you or you're willfully ignoring it: http://www.foxestalk...00#entry2300506 There you go. Look at those PDFs. Data. Lots of it. Facts, figures, graphs. Exactly the kind of stuff you're looking for.
purpleronnie Posted 10 August 2012 Posted 10 August 2012 I'm not sure whether El is just pulling our leg's now. Do these conspiracy theorists believe in the easter bunny.?...or pixies? somehow I doubt they do....but why don't they?, because its silly right?, but can you proove they dont exist?.... no... but they dont believe the moon landings despite huge amount of evidence. Strange that? I'll leave it here and let more people laugh at the conspiracy nonsense.
fleckneymike Posted 10 August 2012 Posted 10 August 2012 Shit the bed everyone There's even a bloody book on it http://fashioningapollo.com/
Vacamion Posted 10 August 2012 Posted 10 August 2012 Shit the bed everyone There's even a bloody book on it http://fashioningapollo.com/ Aha, but you didn't get that diagram from the Internet. It was carved on the inside of the lift in the WTC7 buildings. By Dodi al Fayed. With the bullet that killed Lennon, Which had previously been used (having been dipped in the Loch Ness Monster's tears) to shoot Kennedy But Kennedy is not dead and sits, with Elvis, on the council of the lizard illuminati. Because it was a Thursday and the head lizard was a Capricorn. Who, having taken a homeopathic remedy, is now following ley lines to trace out the pattern of the "holy space suit". Because God wills it. Because humans are gullible.
BoneDog Posted 11 August 2012 Posted 11 August 2012 So is your evidence simply the lack of evidence? For anyone that can be bothered with this circular argument: http://www.clavius.org/ Ok I'll have a look at that site tomorrow and see if it can convince me that my suspicions are wrong. I've not clicked on any of the dot gov website links in this thread, don't know why but going on dot gov websites is something I don't do. I read something about them once (can't remember what!) and thought "ooh I aint going on those websites now". NASA got the space suits off them dead aliens that crashed in Roswell. Never thought of that. please answe my questions on this page el, this is the best thread ever, very amusing.....don't take that the wrong way though its interesting to hear the alternative view even though I dont believe it. Oh and I dont understand why you feel we cant travel through the belt either. thanks. I wouldn't be offended if you took the p*ss. I expect it now on here and do sometimes sit on the patio, look up to the sky and think "Have you got it wrong Empty - did they go to the moon?!" Regards the second bold bit - Part of the reason is religion and also partly because we don't send people through it in current times. I believe that we would be sending many humans on missions into and through the belt if it was possible. Surely the scientific reasons for wanting to do so would be endless?
BoneDog Posted 11 August 2012 Posted 11 August 2012 Aha, but you didn't get that diagram from the Internet. It was carved on the inside of the lift in the WTC7 buildings. By Dodi al Fayed. With the bullet that killed Lennon, Which had previously been used (having been dipped in the Loch Ness Monster's tears) to shoot Kennedy But Kennedy is not dead and sits, with Elvis, on the council of the lizard illuminati. Because it was a Thursday and the head lizard was a Capricorn. Who, having taken a homeopathic remedy, is now following ley lines to trace out the pattern of the "holy space suit". Because God wills it. Because humans are gullible. Yeah alright smart-arse Not seen the suit yet but will study it soon. I bet it doesn't come up to scratch.......I hope it doesn't come up to scratch
BoneDog Posted 11 August 2012 Posted 11 August 2012 I think we would all be grateful if you didn't as you have zero understanding of either physics or science. None of the physics or science has proved that man walked on the moon though from what I've seen. The price of moon rocks doesn't prove anything - apart from prove that we have some moon rocks. The pictures of dots and doctored photos prove nothing - apart from prove that some pictures have been doctored. I'm struggling to see where all the proof is. I know that we have sent unmanned technology to the moon and beyond, but everything I've seen to suggest that man has stepped on to the moon seems dubious. The reasons given for not going back, or even going anywhere near for decades on end also seem dubious to me. Faked pictures and video footage must be very easy to prove as hoax when from 40 odd years ago with the technology available now then. Be interesting to see if can succeed where the countless before you failed. Good luck with that. You seem to discount science in favour of distrust in authority and call it evidence. Very strange. I'm not saying the video footage is fake, I'm saying that the footage was not taken on the moon. Not sure how those video pictures can prove they were taken on the moon. NASA lost over 700 boxes of original magnetic tape footage from the missions - audio and videotape, and allsorts of other data I think from mankinds greatest ever achievement - and that can't be explained away as an accident to me, so I'm naturally suspicious about that. I have no overall problem with authority, but yes I do distrust many of the most powerful of them as they are often proven to be untrustworthy. I don't think that I discount science, I admire much of what I hear about in the world of science and am as astounded at new developments as everybody else is.
BoneDog Posted 11 August 2012 Posted 11 August 2012 Oh poo, I think I've been had. Your 2nd response can't be serious. Yes it is serious! We have data from when we sent men to the Moon. Your entire argument is "I don't believe that happened so it's about time they got some REAL data". And tell me, even if they did send someone out tomorrow and brought back a shitload of new data (which they don't need to, because they already have enough), would you believe they really did it? Would you believe the figures? If so, why? Surely they would have just faked that too? And this is the last time I'm gonna reference this post, because it's either invisible to you or you're willfully ignoring it: http://www.foxestalk...00#entry2300506 There you go. Look at those PDFs. Data. Lots of it. Facts, figures, graphs. Exactly the kind of stuff you're looking for. I've looked at the post and am not convinced of anything. Here's one quote - "The effect of high-energy cosmic rays on humans is unknown but is considered by most authorities not to be of serious concern for exposures of less than a few years." The effect on humans is unknown but considered by most authorities not to be of serious concern? That doesn't sound very convincing to me. I believe what they say about their data from the ISS, but what they say about the data from astronauts who have supposedly gone through the belts I take with a pinch of salt. If they send someone out tomorrow and bring back a new load of data I'll probably believe them yes. As long as they don't say "Oh crap, we've lost over 700 boxes. All the data is gone. Our bad", I might believe them. It's not going to happen though is it, because it seems that they have no intention of gathering any data with a human mission through the belts. It seems as though they're content to stay at 220 miles altitude, even though it is safe to go much further.
marty78 Posted 11 August 2012 Posted 11 August 2012 Ok I'll have a look at that site tomorrow and see if it can convince me that my suspicions are wrong. I've not clicked on any of the dot gov website links in this thread, don't know why but going on dot gov websites is something I don't do. I read something about them once (can't remember what!) and thought "ooh I aint going on those websites now". Never thought of that. I wouldn't be offended if you took the p*ss. I expect it now on here and do sometimes sit on the patio, look up to the sky and think "Have you got it wrong Empty - did they go to the moon?!" Regards the second bold bit - Part of the reason is religion and also partly because we don't send people through it in current times. I believe that we would be sending many humans on missions into and through the belt if it was possible. Surely the scientific reasons for wanting to do so would be endless? What scientific reasons? What is the benefit of sending man through the belts rather than machine?
AdamN Posted 11 August 2012 Posted 11 August 2012 I've looked at the post and am not convinced of anything. Here's one quote - "The effect of high-energy cosmic rays on humans is unknown but is considered by most authorities not to be of serious concern for exposures of less than a few years."The effect on humans is unknown but considered by most authorities not to be of serious concern? That doesn't sound very convincing to me. I believe what they say about their data from the ISS, but what they say about the data from astronauts who have supposedly gone through the belts I take with a pinch of salt. If they send someone out tomorrow and bring back a new load of data I'll probably believe them yes. As long as they don't say "Oh crap, we've lost over 700 boxes. All the data is gone. Our bad", I might believe them. It's not going to happen though is it, because it seems that they have no intention of gathering any data with a human mission through the belts. It seems as though they're content to stay at 220 miles altitude, even though it is safe to go much further. Well yeah, long terms effects would be unknown, because nobody has been out into space for years at a time. I'm not sure there's any sane person on this Earth that's willing to sit there in space for several years, just to see if they get cancer! The only thing they can do is take the readings from shorter exposures and extrapolate that to make a decent enough educated guess. Luckily, the Moon landings only took a few days at a time, so they didn't need to know anyway!
marty78 Posted 11 August 2012 Posted 11 August 2012 Well yeah, long terms effects would be unknown, because nobody has been out into space for years at a time. I'm not sure there's any sane person on this Earth that's willing to sit there in space for several years, just to see if they get cancer! The only thing they can do is take the readings from shorter exposures and extrapolate that to make a decent enough educated guess. Luckily, the Moon landings only took a few days at a time, so they didn't need to know anyway! We wouldn't even need to leave Earth to do that as we have particle accelerators which can re-create high energy protons and electrons, which we shield workers from just fine. We know how to shield against radiation on Earth so why would Space be any different? The evidence seems to be "I just don't buy it".
fleckneymike Posted 11 August 2012 Posted 11 August 2012 I am convinced now that El is merely taking the piss so rather than responding to his every wind up we could merely post nice pics and interesting facts about the missions instead.
davieG Posted 11 August 2012 Posted 11 August 2012 Round, like a circle in a spiral Like a wheel within a wheel. Never ending or beginning, On an ever spinning wheel Like a snowball down a mountain Or a carnaval balloon Like a carousell that's turning Running rings around the moon Like a clock whose hands are sweeping Past the minutes on it's face And the world is like an apple Whirling silently in space Like the circles that you find In the windmills of your mind Like a tunnel that you follow To a tunnel of it's own Down a hollow to a cavern Where the sun has never shone Like a door that keeps revolving In a half forgotten dream Or the ripples from a pebble Someone tosses in a stream. Like a clock whose hands are sweeping Past the minutes on it's face And the world is like an apple Whirling silently in space Like the circles that you find In the windmills of your mind Keys that jingle in your pocket Words that jangle your head Why did summer go so quickly Was it something that I said Lovers walking allong the shore, Leave their footprints in the sand Was the sound of distant drumming Just the fingers of your hand Pictures hanging in a hallway And a fragment of this song Half remembered names and faces But to whom do they belong When you knew that it was over Were you suddenly aware That the autumn leaves were turning To the color of her hair Like a circle in a spiral Like a wheel within a wheel Never ending or beginning, On an ever spinning wheel As the images unwind Like the circle that you find In the windmills of your mind Pictures hanging in a hallway And the fragment of this song Half remembered names and faces But to whom do they belong When you knew that it was over Were you suddenly aware That the autumn leaves were turning To the color of her hair Like a circle in a spiral Like a wheel within a wheel Never ending or beginning, On an ever spinning wheel As the images unwind Like the circles that you find In the windmills of your mind
whoareyaaa Posted 11 August 2012 Posted 11 August 2012 Yes it is serious! I've looked at the post and am not convinced of anything. Here's one quote - "The effect of high-energy cosmic rays on humans is unknown but is considered by most authorities not to be of serious concern for exposures of less than a few years." The effect on humans is unknown but considered by most authorities not to be of serious concern? That doesn't sound very convincing to me. I believe what they say about their data from the ISS, but what they say about the data from astronauts who have supposedly gone through the belts I take with a pinch of salt. If they send someone out tomorrow and bring back a new load of data I'll probably believe them yes. As long as they don't say "Oh crap, we've lost over 700 boxes. All the data is gone. Our bad", I might believe them. It's not going to happen though is it, because it seems that they have no intention of gathering any data with a human mission through the belts. It seems as though they're content to stay at 220 miles altitude, even though it is safe to go much further. 10 men have walked on the moon since Apollo 11, their is not an awful lot on their why would they need to keep sending people back their when they can do it with a lot less risk of in a unmanned vechicle. I guess when we land man on Mars their will be another big consipiracy. The only reason they would have covered up the moon landing for Apollo 11 is to obivously be ahead of USSR although I doubt this is the case but im not 100% so who knows. but to say they have NOT sent a man to the moon is ridiclious don't you think USSR or China would of spoke up by now? edit: or Hilter and the Nazi's could be trolling on the moon and told them never to come back.....or aliens i joke
Capt Kaos Posted 11 August 2012 Posted 11 August 2012 Real, check the link below http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast23feb_2/
Webbo Posted 11 August 2012 Posted 11 August 2012 Real, check the link below http://science.nasa....001/ast23feb_2/ 3 years and only 3 posts. Post some more man.
Zingari Posted 11 August 2012 Posted 11 August 2012 Apollo 12. how did the flag get in front of the reticule ( cross hair) ?
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