Rodger’s vs the board (chicken vs egg)

[OriginalRobboFOX]

He resided over us winning the FA Cup…. He banks a ton of credit for that. On the flip side he also signed Vesty and Faes and stubbornness dug in towards the end of his tenure and he ensured he was pushed in order to walk away with cash on the hip. I’m very 50:50 on him. 
 

The biggest issue is Rudkin. He is always there. He always will be. I’m sure he’s a nice enough bloke but that’s not enough in top flight football. He can’t be that oblivious that he doesn’t realise fans hold him responsible for our downfall and he must hear the vitriol - imagine hearing people calling you a c**t in your own profession. You’d walk away or act to prevent it happening again or getting worse. 
 

However, his inaction suggests he doesn’t care, is stubborn, and has protection en masse from the hierarchy and that is now the biggest issue. We could go down to League 2 with successive relegations and I still think he’d be here. He’s going nowhere. 

[coolhandfox]

He is a high-level coach, not really elite but very good. 

 

However, like many a manager, he doesn't like it when he doesn't get his way, i.e. funds for players.

 

He clear had the hump and took his ball home.

 

I think the issue was the club didn't take enough control from a DOF point of view.

 

As a coach, he's good, and needs to leave the recruitment back office stuff to others.

 

Our lack of recruitment in the winter windows of 19/20 -20/21 cost us CL football twice. 

[BigC]

Had his flaws and made some mistakes, but at the end of the day the football we played under him was the best in the club's history in terms of a modern play style where we could take it to anyone in the country. We will never (realistically) get to see that ever again. Perhaps I value it a lot higher than most fans but that first half of 19/20 in particular was insane. 

 

Still very fond of him. Think the hate towards him, Madders or anyone from that era will slowly reduce as time goes on, especially if we're trapped in the champ for many years again. 

 

He played his part in our downfall and overstayed his welcome ultimately but I think the bigger issue lied elsewhere. 

[Ian S]

1 minute ago, BigC said:

Had his flaws and made some mistakes, but at the end of the day the football we played under him was the best in the club's history in terms of a modern play style where we could take it to anyone in the country. We will never (realistically) get to see that ever again. Perhaps I value it a lot higher than most fans but that first half of 19/20 in particular was insane. 

 

Still very fond of him. Think the hate towards him, Madders or anyone from that era will slowly reduce as time goes on, especially if we're trapped in the champ for many years again. 

 

He played his part in our downfall and overstayed his welcome ultimately but I think the bigger issue lied elsewhere. 

I don’t hate or dislike Maddison, however my contempt and dislike for Rodgers will never fade.

[filbertway]

Such a sleaze ball, ultimate charmer. Knows exactly what to say and do to get people to love him. Doesn't care who or what he destroys to get what he wants.
 

 

 

Some of his greatest lies compiled.

 

 

[Soar Fox]

2 hours ago, filbertway said:

Such a sleaze ball, ultimate charmer. Knows exactly what to say and do to get people to love him. Doesn't care who or what he destroys to get what he wants.
 

 

 

Some of his greatest lies compiled.

 

 

 it’s really not that deep mate. One of our greatest ever managers. It will be many many years until we have success like we did under him again. 

[filbertway]

32 minutes ago, Soar Fox said:

 it’s really not that deep mate. One of our greatest ever managers. It will be many many years until we have success like we did under him again. 

There's a special hatred in my heart that I will always hold for that man

 

I have a totally different perspective, he's the manager that took us from our strongest position, certainly in my lifetime, and through sheer mismanagement he has not only left the club in a weakened state, but one that will take a hell of a long time to recover from. All whilst taking tens of millions from the club and having a smug little smirk on his face.

 

Awful man, awful lips, awful clap.

 

[Soar Fox]

16 minutes ago, filbertway said:

There's a special hatred in my heart that I will always hold for that man

 

I have a totally different perspective, he's the manager that took us from our strongest position, certainly in my lifetime, and through sheer mismanagement he has not only left the club in a weakened state, but one that will take a hell of a long time to recover from. All whilst taking tens of millions from the club and having a smug little smirk on his face.

 

Awful man, awful lips, awful clap.

 

Disagree with most of that, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The club is still a complete mess now so nothing has changed in the 2 years that he has been gone. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

On 05/03/2025 at 13:05, coolhandfox said:

He is a high-level coach, not really elite but very good. 

 

However, like many a manager, he doesn't like it when he doesn't get his way, i.e. funds for players.

 

He clear had the hump and took his ball home.

 

I think the issue was the club didn't take enough control from a DOF point of view.

 

As a coach, he's good, and needs to leave the recruitment back office stuff to others.

 

Our lack of recruitment in the winter windows of 19/20 -20/21 cost us CL football twice. 

£230m he had

 

And look at who he signed 

 

No wonder the board tightened the purse strings with him.

 

It’s the only good call they’ve made in years. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

18 minutes ago, Soar Fox said:

Disagree with most of that, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The club is still a complete mess now so nothing has changed in the 2 years that he has been gone. 

But you do realise the situation now is 3 years in the making? That’s why so many of us wanted him gone then. They had the foresight to see the way it was panning out.

 

Obviously he’s nothing to do with the likes of Skipp for £25m but he is the reason we only had £25m to spend. 

[winteriscoming]

On 05/03/2025 at 13:05, coolhandfox said:

He is a high-level coach, not really elite but very good. 

 

However, like many a manager, he doesn't like it when he doesn't get his way, i.e. funds for players.

 

He clear had the hump and took his ball home.

 

I think the issue was the club didn't take enough control from a DOF point of view.

 

As a coach, he's good, and needs to leave the recruitment back office stuff to others.

 

Our lack of recruitment in the winter windows of 19/20 -20/21 cost us CL football twice. 

Blowing cl league top 4 places twice when 10+ points clear doesn’t help. He is the ultimate bottle job manager. 

[Soar Fox]

3 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

But you do realise the situation now is 3 years in the making? That’s why so many of us wanted him gone then. They had the foresight to see the way it was panning out.

 

Obviously he’s nothing to do with the likes of Skipp for £25m but he is the reason we only had £25m to spend. 

Look back at the signings of Daka, Soumare even Bertrand everyone was gushing over them. Vestergaard was only supposed to be a stop gap for Fofana, we wouldn’t have even bought him if Wes hadn’t broke his leg. 
 

The reason we only had £25 million to spend was because of the obscene wages we have handed out. That’s continued since Rodgers has left so more of an issue with the person dealing and signing the contracts off. Rodgers also isn’t responsible for over £100 million pounds worth of talent walking away for free. 
 

I’ll agree 22/23 he checked out, he should have been sacked after the Brighton defeat, I blame him for persisting with Danny Ward. I don’t blame him for not walking away from the millions of pounds he had tied up in his contract though. Again that was down to whoever agreed & signed off his contract. Not his fault the club gave him that big contract. 

[Soar Fox]

9 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

Blowing cl league top 4 places twice when 10+ points clear doesn’t help. He is the ultimate bottle job manager. 

And who got us in that position to be 10 points clear in the first place. 
 

In the last 20 years there’s only been 4 seasons where the top 4 hasn’t been occupied by the “big 6” and one of them years was us. And it’s only the last 2 years that Newcastle & Villa have finished in the top 4 and how much money have they had to spend to get there. 

[coolhandfox]

21 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

Blowing cl league top 4 places twice when 10+ points clear doesn’t help. He is the ultimate bottle job manager. 

So Vardy and Kasper are bottlers too? 

[The Year Of The Fox]

18 minutes ago, Soar Fox said:

Look back at the signings of Daka, Soumare even Bertrand everyone was gushing over them. Vestergaard was only supposed to be a stop gap for Fofana, we wouldn’t have even bought him if Wes hadn’t broke his leg. 
 

The reason we only had £25 million to spend was because of the obscene wages we have handed out. That’s continued since Rodgers has left so more of an issue with the person dealing and signing the contracts off. Rodgers also isn’t responsible for over £100 million pounds worth of talent walking away for free. 
 

I’ll agree 22/23 he checked out, he should have been sacked after the Brighton defeat, I blame him for persisting with Danny Ward. I don’t blame him for not walking away from the millions of pounds he had tied up in his contract though. Again that was down to whoever agreed & signed off his contract. Not his fault the club gave him that big contract. 

Yes he was, partly. £10m a year manager, on more than Madrids manager at the time- not Rodgers fault no- but was unable to get players performing to put themselves in the shop window and instead turn them into relegation candidates. 

[coolhandfox]

29 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

£230m he had

 

And look at who he signed 

 

No wonder the board tightened the purse strings with him.

 

It’s the only good call they’ve made in years. 

As I said, he shouldn't have been in the position to control recruitment at the club, which is on the club having a dysfunctional DOF.

 

He's a good coach, but recuitment is an area he is weak in.

 

He had 3 season, that's an average of 77m a season.

 

I think that's a below average for a club with CL aspirations.

 

 

[winteriscoming]

29 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

So Vardy and Kasper are bottlers too? 

I wouldn’t say they are having won the premiership a few years before. Difference being they had an experienced manager then who knew what was needed. 
He’s the manager. It’s down to him to take the credit and criticism. Not just here but he bottled the league with Liverpool and more recently losing in Europe with Celtic was typical Rodgers bottling it. 

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, winteriscoming said:

I wouldn’t say they are having won the premiership a few years before. Difference being they had an experienced manager then who knew what was needed. 
He’s the manager. It’s down to him to take the credit and criticism. Not just here but he bottled the league with Liverpool and more recently losing in Europe with Celtic was typical Rodgers bottling it. 

Sometimes you have to let go of the hate......

 

 

[accessory]

In Rodgers' world, nothing is ever his fault.

 

Not bottling a two-leg cup semi against a pitifully weak and depleted Villa side.

 

Not blowing a FOURTEEN-point lead over Man Utd to miss out on the Champions League.

 

Not blowing another double-digit lead the season afterwards - this time over Liverpool - to miss out on the Champions League again.

 

Not rushing players back too quickly from injuries (Ndidi, Söyüncü, Ricardo to name but three), causing them fitness issues that still affect them to this day.

 

And certainly not sending an unfit, unprepared, understrength side to Forest for one of the most abject "defences" of the FA Cup in living memory.

 

There should indeed have been a "reset" after that appalling afternoon, but one which took in the management as well as the players.

 

The toxicity that has wrecked the club in recent seasons was already starting to take hold. Leaders in the dressing room like Morgan, Schmeichel and Evans were leaving and not being replaced.

 

Rodgers only ever saw City as a stepping stone on his way back into the big 6.  Rudkin managed to keep him sweet for a while with an exorbitant new deal, but in time he became restless again, then sulked when the offer he craved (especially from Chelsea) never came.

 

The team's mentality was always fragile throughout his time with us, and it's notable that Celtic still have similar issues (as seen in Europe) now he's returned there.

[honeybradger]

On 06/03/2025 at 19:54, Soar Fox said:

Look back at the signings of Daka, Soumare even Bertrand everyone was gushing over them. Vestergaard was only supposed to be a stop gap for Fofana, we wouldn’t have even bought him if Wes hadn’t broke his leg. 
 

The reason we only had £25 million to spend was because of the obscene wages we have handed out. That’s continued since Rodgers has left so more of an issue with the person dealing and signing the contracts off. Rodgers also isn’t responsible for over £100 million pounds worth of talent walking away for free. 
 

I’ll agree 22/23 he checked out, he should have been sacked after the Brighton defeat, I blame him for persisting with Danny Ward. I don’t blame him for not walking away from the millions of pounds he had tied up in his contract though. Again that was down to whoever agreed & signed off his contract. Not his fault the club gave him that big contract. 

Only happy clappers supported the Betrand signing.

 

Soumare to be fair looked far better on paper before he came than he actually is as a player, not many people saw him turning out like he did.

 

I would say there was a section of fans who were calling for Dewsbury Hall to be a part of the team that summer who ended up getting a chance due to Soumare's struggles. So the transfer was avoidable if Rodgers looked at the players we had on loan and trusted in Dewsbury Hall.

[Bourbon Fox]

On 03/03/2025 at 20:10, The Doctor said:

 

Justin, Fofana, Bertrand, Vestergaard, Castagne, Thomas, Lookman, Soumare, Daka, Perez 

 

Taking KDH out because he was academy, f me there's your problem