General News Thread

[Parafox]

6 minutes ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

There was a debate on here recently about what exactly is 'Being British'.

 

They used to say home is where the heart is. Sadly, on too many occasions, 'British citizens' hearts are very much elsewhere.

 

We have the potential problem in Birmingham, primarily because of the recent Gaza situation. We had violence between Muslims and Hindus in Leicester over issues in Pakistan/India. There will be probably more such disturbances in the future too.

 

I despair.

Inevitable as long as there's there's those that refuse to accept and get along with each other and there's thousands of them on every side/faith/political belief/personal beliefs/bigotry and so on.

[South Shire Fox]

23 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Im not 

getting what you’re trying to prove. On one hand you’re outraged that there is any suggestion that it’s one sided. On the other “the Muslims” “the Muslims” “the Muslims”.

 

To be clear. The “the Muslims” is a collective term to tar a whole group of people from many different countries. It’s the same arsehole move as saying “the Jews.” 
 

to clarify further - there is absolutely a two sided issue here and only a ****ing idiot would think there isn’t.

 

The point is. Macabi, the violent elements, bad. The violent elements here, bad. Is that ok or do you want to generalise some more and then come on a completely different post on a completely different subject and say all shouldn’t be tarred with the same brush ? Although nothing has happened yet ?

 

Will reiterate from a purely policing perspective, this is a sensible decision. The “outrage” is stupid.

Theres no two sided issue. Its Muslims against Israelis. The two do not like each other. Having Israelis coming to a city with a high percentage of Muslims is going to cause serious disorder like Amsterdam. The Police do not want that happening and having things getting out of control. Has nothing to do with a clubs hooligan reputation. Its more Celtic/Rangers religious rivalry which is far worse

Edited 17 October 2025 by South Shire Fox

[Parafox]

1 minute ago, South Shire Fox said:

Theres no two sided issue. Its Muslims against Israelis. The two do not like each other. Having Israelis coming to a city with a high percentage of Muslims is going to cause serious disorder like Amsterdam. The Police do not want that happening and having things getting out of control. Has nothing to do with a clubs hooligan reputation. Its more Celtic/Rangers religious rivalry

And again I can't see the point of this "fixture". It should be clear that it's a likely powder keg and the police have very real concerns. Why is nobody at government level listening?

[RowlattsFox]

Be great if two football teams and 2 sets of supporters could just watch their team without it having anything to do with politics wouldn't it. 

[Foxdiamond]

20 minutes ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

There was a debate on here recently about what exactly is 'Being British'.

 

They used to say home is where the heart is. Sadly, on too many occasions, 'British citizens' hearts are very much elsewhere.

 

We have the potential problem in Birmingham, primarily because of the recent Gaza situation. We had violence between Muslims and Hindus in Leicester over issues in Pakistan/India. There will be probably more such disturbances in the future too.

 

I despair.

This is the very heart of the worry I have.  Following the cricket team whatever of your heritage is fine. What is not fine is bringing intolerance and transplanting the trouble overseas onto our streets. 

[leicsmac]

18 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

Be great if two football teams and 2 sets of supporters could just watch their team without it having anything to do with politics wouldn't it. 

It's actually essential to the future that kind of enmity ceases to be a barrier (at least in some cases) at all. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

43 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Theres no two sided issue. Its Muslims against Israelis. The two do not like each other. Having Israelis coming to a city with a high percentage of Muslims is going to cause serious disorder like Amsterdam. The Police do not want that happening and having things getting out of control. Has nothing to do with a clubs hooligan reputation. Its more Celtic/Rangers religious rivalry which is far worse

There’s no two sided issues ? But there’s two sides ? I don’t get it. 
 

So based on what you’re saying, a sensible issue because of two sides ? Or is there not two sides - sorry don’t get the first line.

 

 

[Clogger_]

1 hour ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

There was a debate on here recently about what exactly is 'Being British'.

 

They used to say home is where the heart is. Sadly, on too many occasions, 'British citizens' hearts are very much elsewhere.

 

We have the potential problem in Birmingham, primarily because of the recent Gaza situation. We had violence between Muslims and Hindus in Leicester over issues in Pakistan/India. There will be probably more such disturbances in the future too.

 

I despair.

Ooh, can I contribute? I'm as bog-standard as "British" or "English" gets, but I couldn't give a monkeys about my nationality. I think obsessing over nationality is for losers (or worse). I don't care in the slightest if other people living in this country identify as "British". I love spending time amongst those from other backgrounds - including the areas causing so much concern to wrong 'uns here and abroad. I don't feel the need to defend some utterly imaginary and time-bound "British culture". I understand that we are absolute pin-pricks in history - complete nonentities. Am I over privileged due to my background? For the folks repeatedly posting about Muslim countrymen in just-about-veiled terms, what are you all *really* worried about?

 

I'll stop there.

Edited 17 October 2025 by Clogger_

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

Ooh, can I contribute? I'm as bog-standard as "British" or "English" gets, but I couldn't give a monkeys about my nationality. I think obsessing over nationality is for losers (or worse). I don't care in the slightest if other people living in this country identify as "British". I don't feel the need to defend some utterly imaginary and time-bound "British culture". I understand that we are absolute pin-pricks in history - complete nonentities. Am I over privileged due to my background? For the folks repeatedly posting about Muslim countrymen in just-about-veiled terms, what are you all *really* worried about?

 

I'll stop there.

I come at this from a different angle - I find the obsessing over nationality mentioned here dispiriting not out of any moral sentiment, but out of simple pragmatism based on what it's been responsible for in the past and what it will be responsible for in the future.

[CornwallFox]

2 hours ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

There was a debate on here recently about what exactly is 'Being British'.

 

They used to say home is where the heart is. Sadly, on too many occasions, 'British citizens' hearts are very much elsewhere.

 

We have the potential problem in Birmingham, primarily because of the recent Gaza situation. We had violence between Muslims and Hindus in Leicester over issues in Pakistan/India. There will be probably more such disturbances in the future too.

 

I despair.

Honestly don't get why it matters to anybody where somebody else's heart is. 

Why does anybody have to love where they live? Why can't they just live there and do their best for themselves and their families? We have an utterly dire society in the UK. And that isn't the fault of anybody other than the brigade that hates everybody that isn't like them. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

There was a debate on here recently about what exactly is 'Being British'.

 

 

It always seems to me that "Britishness" is represented by many to be something akin to a Pathe News reel - something that no longer exists, except is some people's deluded minds. Often it's people too young to have actually experienced that way of living.

 

It makes me wonder if people in the 1960s hankered after silent movies, gas lights (not what you think kids!), penny-farthings and smallpox.

[Trav Le Bleu]

30 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I come at this from a different angle - I find the obsessing over nationality mentioned here dispiriting not out of any moral sentiment, but out of simple pragmatism based on what it's been responsible for in the past and what it will be responsible for in the future.

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

[Sampson]

15 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

It always seems to me that "Britishness" is represented by many to be something akin to a Pathe News reel - something that no longer exists, except is some people's deluded minds. Often it's people too young to have actually experienced that way of living.

 

It makes me wonder if people in the 1960s hankered after silent movies, gas lights (not what you think kids!), penny-farthings and smallpox.

I definitely hanker after days before the social internet tbf. 

[Foxdiamond]

56 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

Ooh, can I contribute? I'm as bog-standard as "British" or "English" gets, but I couldn't give a monkeys about my nationality. I think obsessing over nationality is for losers (or worse). I don't care in the slightest if other people living in this country identify as "British". I love spending time amongst those from other backgrounds - including the areas causing so much concern to wrong 'uns here and abroad. I don't feel the need to defend some utterly imaginary and time-bound "British culture". I understand that we are absolute pin-pricks in history - complete nonentities. Am I over privileged due to my background? For the folks repeatedly posting about Muslim countrymen in just-about-veiled terms, what are you all *really* worried about?

 

I'll stop there.

For me it's not about being English or British or not or religion  Rather that some people want to take a grievance that relates to places abroad but want to bring trouble here. If people whoever they are behave within the law and treat all with respect and tolerance then surely this is right. 

[Clogger_]

31 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

For me it's not about being English or British or not or religion  Rather that some people want to take a grievance that relates to places abroad but want to bring trouble here. If people whoever they are behave within the law and treat all with respect and tolerance then surely this is right. 

I think that's cack. Think about Gaza, any decent person should have a grievance about that atrocity. Nothing about nationality or background, just whether you are sentient. I mean, *nobody* even tries to justify it any more

 

Stop looking ways to beat down on our countrymen and to justify the indefensible. It's that simple. Support eachother. Our enemies are the vile enemies of humanity - they are clear and obvious 

Edited 17 October 2025 by Clogger_

[MaidstoneFox]

51 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

It always seems to me that "Britishness" is represented by many to be something akin to a Pathe News reel - something that no longer exists, except is some people's deluded minds. Often it's people too young to have actually experienced that way of living.

 

It makes me wonder if people in the 1960s hankered after silent movies, gas lights (not what you think kids!), penny-farthings and smallpox.

Yeh it's really an idle pastiche of Britishness, at its worst espoused by Farage. I don't think of my nationality that much but in terms of Britain I've always thought of the great music, art, literature, inventions and sports that Britain has produced as well as campaigns for workers' rights, women's rights etc. I come at it from that direction. When I think of Britishness I think of: Curtis/Bronte/Hockney/Brunel/Pankhurst/Charlton/Hobbs. One could go on for ever. But these are things to be shared with everyone just as the Sistine Chapel is. They don't need to be protected and are not being eroded, they will always be there. 

Edited 17 October 2025 by MaidstoneFox

[Clogger_]

4 minutes ago, MaidstoneFox said:

Yeh it's really an idle pastiche of Britishness, at its worst espoused by Farage. I don't think of my nationality that much but in terms of Britain I've always thought of the great music, art, literature, inventions and sports that Britain has produced as well as campaigns for workers' rights, women's rights etc. I come at it from that direction. When I think of Britishness I think of: Curtis/Bronte/Hockney/Brunel/Pankhurst/Charlton/Hobbs. One could go on for ever. But these are things to be shared with everyone just as the Sistine Chapel is. They don't need to be protected and are not being eroded, they will always be there. 

"We" the British are not special. Why do others pretend otherwise? Weird

 

Edit... Thanks in anticipation for letting me get this off my chest

Edited 17 October 2025 by Clogger_

[Clogger_]

56 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

It always seems to me that "Britishness" is represented by many to be something akin to a Pathe News reel - something that no longer exists, except is some people's deluded minds. Often it's people too young to have actually experienced that way of living.

 

It makes me wonder if people in the 1960s hankered after silent movies, gas lights (not what you think kids!), penny-farthings and smallpox.

You forgot rations

[Foxdiamond]

5 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

I think that's cack. Think about Gaza, any decent person should have a grievance about that atrocity. Nothing about nationality or background, just whether you are sentient. I mean, *nobody* even tries to justify it any more

 

Stop looking ways to beat down on our countrymen and to justify the indefensible. It's that simple. Support eachother

I don't support anybody that causes trouble on our streets or in extreme cases uses that grievance for the purposes of terror against people in this country. Do you deny these people exist?

[Clogger_]

Just now, Foxdiamond said:

I don't support anybody that causes trouble on our streets or in extreme cases uses that grievance for the purposes of terror against people in this country. Do you deny these people exist?

Aka criminals. They exist everywhere, primarily amongst the 'traditional' British

Edited 17 October 2025 by Clogger_

[Foxdiamond]

1 minute ago, Clogger_ said:

Aka criminals

Criminals and in extreme terrorists.

[Clogger_]

Just now, Foxdiamond said:

Criminals and in extreme terrorists.

What? Without judging, look to stats

[Foxdiamond]

3 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

Aka criminals. They exist everywhere, primarily amongst the 'traditional' British

I don't care about their background but what they do

[Clogger_]

1 minute ago, Foxdiamond said:

Criminals and in extreme terrorists.

If the first thing you equate Muslims with is "extreme terrorists", I'm sorry but I've no time for you. That's just racist bollocks. You my friend are a problem. I know this gets deleted or banned, but you need to know, and maybe some others can see my thoughts on this

[Zear0]