Marti Cifuentes appointed new manager

[Sankey93]

2 minutes ago, RobHawk said:

Nelson bossed it in this league last year with Oxford, he had one cup game this year with us and had a bad game but hasn't been since. 

 

I've said it before but I'd rather invest in him, have him making mistakes but learning, growing and becoming the future of this team

Marti isn’t having him in the slightest. Okoli vesty faes all ahead of him unfortunately such a a shame cuz he’s the real deal.

[RobHawk]

I agree and I don't get it. 

 

Faes is making mistakes and missing tackles that lead to goals every game ATM. His attitude on the pitch is shit and he's an all round ball bag. Get him out of the club, let alone the first team. 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Sankey93 said:

Marti isn’t having him in the slightest. Okoli vesty faes all ahead of him unfortunately such a a shame cuz he’s the real deal.

Easy to say things that are largely without basis. (Oxford is not comparable due to the different expectations, styles, etc)

May well be style is the problem, but that is a different discussion!

 

[urban.spaceman]

Why's the thread hot? Are we sacking him to go for Ange?

[Ric Flair]

9 minutes ago, Weller Wing said:

Would he be OK in ,what would be , quite a physical battle against McBurnie having not played a league game all season?

Not sure, it's probably not the game you throw him in, but the fact he's not been on the bench rhe last 5-6 games is toss.

[moore_94]

13 minutes ago, Weller Wing said:

Would he be OK in ,what would be , quite a physical battle against McBurnie having not played a league game all season?

He was very good against Kieffer Moore last season which I think would be pretty similar

Edited 19 October 2025 by moore_94

[Sankey93]

14 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Easy to say things that are largely without basis. (Oxford is not comparable due to the different expectations, styles, etc)

May well be style is the problem, but that is a different discussion!

 

We haven’t got a style 😂 Nelson should be in the first team and it’s mind boggling he isn’t 

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Sankey93 said:

We haven’t got a style 😂 Nelson should be in the first team and it’s mind boggling he isn’t 

OK  

[trooky]

1 hour ago, MS0204 said:

All this Danny Rohl, Rohl of the dice.. what could possibly make people believe he would do a job? Is this what football has become, sack a manager if in the first few games they don’t get maximum points.. 

 

Sorry but I think people are clutching at straws

Totally agree, it's not done Watford any good and they've gone back to their most successful manager of recent times in Javi Gracia. 

 

Forest messed up sacking Nuno, appointing and sacking Ange. 

 

If they appoint one of Dyche, Mancini or Benitez they'll all be worse than Nuno, hopefully resulting in relegation. 

 

Rohl has done nothing to suggest he's any better than Marti....

 

We've made our appointment, he's had 10 games, 6 since the window shut and needs more time. The club has wasted so much money on compensation for failed managers we need to stick with him.

 

And to top it all the incompetence of the Dof means we don't have a striker worthy of the description, yet somehow it's all Marti's fault. 

 

Edited 19 October 2025 by trooky

[Stormfox]

17 hours ago, FrankieADZ said:

im giving him time, cos i know hes trying to change things behind the scenes and its incredibly hard with one hand tied behind your back

 

although if he keeps playing luke "1IQ" thomas then my patience will wear thin incredibly quickly

Is he?? Like what? 

[Sankey93]

51 minutes ago, trooky said:

Totally agree, it's not done Watford any good and they've gone back to their most successful manager of recent times in Javi Gracia. 

 

Forest messed up sacking Nuno, appointing and sacking Ange. 

 

If they appoint one of Dyche, Mancini or Benitez they'll all be worse than Nuno, hopefully resulting in relegation. 

 

Rohl has done nothing to suggest he's any better than Marti....

 

We've made our appointment, he's had 10 games, 6 since the window shut and needs more time. The club has wasted so much money on compensation for failed managers we need to stick with him.

 

And to top it all the incompetence of the Dof means we don't have striker worthy of the description, yet somehow it's all Marti's fault. 

 

Unfortunately Marti is a fraud! He has one of the best squads in the division if not the best. There isn’t no style of play or identity to our football either he talks a good game I’ll give him that  

 

What Danny Rohl did at Wednesday was unbelievable, he’s also had experience working under some of the best around but like enzo did. 
 

our results won’t improve with Marti.

[trooky]

37 minutes ago, Sankey93 said:

Unfortunately Marti is a fraud! He has one of the best squads in the division if not the best. There isn’t no style of play or identity to our football either he talks a good game I’ll give him that  

 

What Danny Rohl did at Wednesday was unbelievable, he’s also had experience working under some of the best around but like enzo did. 
 

our results won’t improve with Marti.

The Rangers fans don't share that opinion on Rohl!! 

 

I'm not here to debate the merit over Rohl or Marti, we had the chance to appoint Rohl in the summer and didn't. 

 

We need to give a manager more than 10 games, we've chopped and changed and its done the club absolutely no good. 

 

Last time I looked we're 4th, about where we should be without a goal scorer. We're going to struggle to finish teams of this season because of it. 

 

Ayew isn't a striker, Carranza is new to English football and unproven in European football whilst Daka is just Daka, scores 1 in 5.

Edited 19 October 2025 by trooky

[murphy]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

Easy to say things that are largely without basis. (Oxford is not comparable due to the different expectations, styles, etc)

May well be style is the problem, but that is a different discussion!

 

Oxford couldn't be more comparable since they play in the same division and face the same teams that we do.  That is the most nonsense statement I've read here for some time and that is saying something.

 

If Nelson'sOxford experience is not comparable, then what would be?

 

 

[Dahnsouff]

4 minutes ago, murphy said:

Oxford couldn't be more comparable since they play in the same division and face the same teams that we do.  That is the most nonsense statement I've read here for some time and that is saying something.

 

If Nelson'sOxford experience is not comparable, then what would be?

 

 

Do they play the same style with the same expectations, do they sit back, etc. It’s not difficult to understand. 

 

I am not trying to discredit him (as he is on a fairly typical trajectory) but I also don’t want to be yet another overexcitable fan boy, and would rather consider the what ifs.

[Richmondfox]

3 hours ago, Weller Wing said:

Don't agree.

He's come into the club late with very little pre season. 

He's brought in 2 players James/Ramsey that have cost barely anything,  that look 2 of our best players ( better when up to full fitness)

Lost Bilal a couple of games into the season , who was our most creative player.

He's had to play players that he's inherited and has had to get on with it.

 

He's not been brilliant but hasn't had long enough time and we're still 4th.

 

Cooper spunked 28+ million on Skipp,

and a carthorse from Palace that didn't play.

Also Ayew who's not great,cost 6-8 million and has no resale value.

 

There's really no comparison at this point 

I’m talking about tactics and style of play. He wasted pre season and the first several games with his clean sheet nonsense. Any level of analysis could have told him the players were crap.  He wasted several weeks playing them, finding out they were crap using his crap tactics. Pass the ball to a 16 year old and no one go near offering support. 
 

he hasn’t improved any player in this team.

 

who would’ve thought a milquetoast QPR manager has turned us into this. 

[Dahnsouff]

What a load of crap

[murphy]

12 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Do they play the same style with the same expectations, do they sit back, etc. It’s not difficult to understand. 

 

I am not trying to discredit him (as he is on a fairly typical trajectory) but I also don’t want to be yet another overexcitable fan boy, and would rather consider the what ifs.

Oh I understand,  I just completely disagree.   He defended against the same teams at Oxford and played in a team that would have spent more time than most defending.  Come on.  It is nonsense to say it's not comparable.  Styles of play are immaterial.  Can he play at this level?  Yes he can.

Edited 19 October 2025 by murphy

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, murphy said:

Oh I understand.  I just completely disagree.   He defends against the same teams and played in a team that would have spent more time than most defending.  Come on.  It is nonsense to say it's not comparable.  Styles of play are immaterial.  Can je play at this level?  Yes he can.

Yes he can for a team that expected to be defending most of the time, with those in front of him countering, something he would play little part in.

 

No doubt the experience was invaluable, more so if he could have completed the loan without interruption,  but to say it’s the same as playing here is a bit silly.

 

Have no doubt he will play for us by the way. 

[murphy]

We are at the agree to disagree stage here since you seem to be doubling down on said prior nonsense but what is it specifically that you think Nelson would not be able to do for us that he has already demonstrated that he can do for Oxford against the same opposition playing in the same position?

 

 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, murphy said:

We are at the agree to disagree stage here since you seem to be doubling down on said prior nonsense but what is it specifically that you think Nelson would not be able to do for us that he has already demonstrated that he can do for Oxford against the same opposition playing in the same position?

 

 

Agree, also think this has gone as far as it can, as you have been unable to accept the style, the primarily defensive with counters at Oxford, is not the same as he will encounter playing here. (Ideal place to loan a defender)

 

Have a good evening. 

[Chelmofox]

1 hour ago, Sankey93 said:

Unfortunately Marti is a fraud! He has one of the best squads in the division if not the best. There isn’t no style of play or identity to our football either he talks a good game I’ll give him that  

 

What Danny Rohl did at Wednesday was unbelievable, he’s also had experience working under some of the best around but like enzo did. 
 

our results won’t improve with Marti.

You are completely delusional if you think we have the best squad in the league. Many predicted we would be bottom half right now.

[murphy]

.Most expensive squad in th league

Edited 19 October 2025 by murphy

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Chelmofox said:

You are completely delusional if you think we have the best squad in the league. Many predicted we would be bottom half right now.

Plenty seem to think we are on a higher level within the division, but the squad has been littered with poor signings for quite some time. That coupled without a strong consistent direction from subsequent managers, means we are just starting again, and then again after the next manager. Was always going to take time to turn this squad into a cohesive unit, and spinning the manager roulette again feels like madness.

 

As has been discussed ad infinitum, the answer is a good DoF to provide clear tactical direction.

[murphy]

17 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Agree, also think this has gone as far as it can, as you have been unable to accept the style, the primarily defensive with counters at Oxford, is not the same as he will encounter playing here. (Ideal place to loan a defender)

 

Have a good evening. 

I will thanks.

 

But before I leave you in peace, I notice that you are unable to answer the question as to what you think he would be unable to do here.  To be clear, I am saying that Nelson demonstrated that he can defend at this level for Oxford and therefore at any other club in this division.  The idea that he would be unable to defend in a more possession based team after already demonstrating that he can in a more defensive one against the same opposition and in the same position is laughable and if you disagreeI  would invite you to find a precedent.

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, murphy said:

 

I will thanks.

 

But before I leave you in peace, I notice that you are unable to answer the question as to what you think he would be unable to do here.  To be clear, I am saying that Nelson demonstrated that he can defend at this level for Oxford and therefore at any other club in this division.  The idea that he would be unable to defend in a more possession based team after already demonstrating that he can in a more defensive one against the same opposition and in the same position is laughable and if you disagreeI  would invite you to find a precedent.

Sorry, but why must I find a precedent for an opinion I hold about a player being reliable in a defensively minded team than in a team where we expect to be less so.

 

Bit weird. Faes being crap and Vestergaard being slow does not automatically mean Nelson is the answer.
 

What if the coaching team see them in training and decide that in this style we play, ie; not leaving players back, Faes, Okoli, Vestergaard, etc are better suited.

 

Anyway, this has now  gone from no consensus to really rather dull!