Harry Winks

[AKCJ]

2 minutes ago, Bordersfox said:

Then we'd sign nobody.  Or nobody good.   

 

Come on, even your bog standard office fodder expects flexibility and partial home working now meaning often they dont live that close to the office. 

 

There is just not a chance millionaire footballers would allow themselves to be dictated to over where the live. This is Roy of the Rovers fantasy stuff.  A lovely idea but we all know utterly impossible to enact.     

I don't believe that, at all.

 

I am not asking that players live in a flat on Granby Street. There are so many lovely places to live in Leicestershire.

 

Your bog standard office job lets people work from home because they’re advertising it as a bonus to save them paying you more. It’s not like a footballer can work from home.

 

When you’re on 75k a week long term deals you should be expected to make “sacrifices”. One of those should be that you integrate yourself into the county properly.

[AKCJ]

22 minutes ago, MrsJohnMurphy said:

Pearson didn't seem to mind, Winks wouldn't have been an issue for him, he wouldn't have created the issue in the first place

 

Would Market Harborough be ok?.......Ashby De La Zouch?

Because Pearson built the culture of buy in or **** off.

 

Do you think Pearson would accept Harry Winks behaviour? He’s shown no inclination that he wants to be here.

[Dahnsouff]

8 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Because Pearson built the culture of buy in or **** off.

 

Do you think Pearson would accept Harry Winks behaviour? He’s shown no inclination that he wants to be here.

I think Pearson would recognise the change in player power and behaved as best served the club. 

[AKCJ]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

I think Pearson would recognise the change in player power and behaved as best served the club. 

Look at how Eddie Howe has transformed Newcastle. It absolutely can be done.

[Jobyfox]

I don’t get it. 
 

We live in a small country. London to Leicester is easily commutable if the intent is there. Winks could even afford his own driver.

 

We’ve had loads of players over the years that weren’t Leicestershire based. I don’t believe Schmeichel ever moved to the area. Further back Gallagher was always based in the North West. Vardy was in Lincolnshire. There are probably numerous other examples. 
 

It’s a storm in a tea cup. Winks needs a good shake and to stop acting like a petulant child, but I don’t see the necessity of insisting that he live locally anyway. It’s not like he wanted to fly in from abroad for every training session. 

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, fkas said:

If things are tough at home you won't be in a good mood. Seen it plenty of times with staff that were good at what they do but were struggling under the mental strain. Happens. 

I think this is less about struggling and more about not giving a toss. Struggling to stay over in 5* facilities for one night in a blue moon whilst on 80k+ a week? Behave yourself 😂. There was never any suggestion that his wife or child were ill or any other issues or we wouldn’t even have heard about it, any pressure due to longer hours caused by travelling is of his own making too.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, AKCJ said:

Look at how Eddie Howe has transformed Newcastle. It absolutely can be done.

We are far closer to Leicester and hold it to an impossibly high standard, as is our right.

 

But perhapd you have some more forensic visibility on Newcastle.

 

With Winks there is nothing to see here, so he looks glum, good, nobody included in recent seasons should be doing cartwheels. 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, volpeazzurro said:

I think this is less about struggling and more about not giving a toss. Struggling to stay over in 5* facilities for one night in a blue moon whilst on 80k+ a week? Behave yourself 😂. There was never any suggestion that his wife or child were ill or any other issues or we wouldn’t even have heard about it, any pressure due to longer hours caused by travelling is of his own making too.

Your clearly assume the worst, that's your choice. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Again, if he was making visible effort then this episode would have largely have been forgotten, and put down to RvN being a shitebag.

 

But he isn't making enough visible effort so prior misgivings are being held on to, which is perfectly reasonable. 

[volpeazzurro]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Your clearly assume the worst, that's your choice. 

I think it’s precisely the opposite way round, people are making up fictitious  ‘what ifs’ in a desperate wish to support or back him! If there was any good reason ie illness on behalf of him or his family then the club would have surely backed him or disputed the media releases.

[MrsJohnMurphy]

21 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Because Pearson built the culture of buy in or **** off.

 

Do you think Pearson would accept Harry Winks behaviour? He’s shown no inclination that he wants to be here.

The commute wasn't an issue for Pearson, he used to commute himself, Kasper, Drinky and Simpson all commuted from the Mancs/Cheshire areas

 

If you didn't play well enough you'd be dropped irrelevant of the commute, if Winks plays well (which he has when coming on) then who cares where he's driven from

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, volpeazzurro said:

I think it’s precisely the opposite way round, people are making up fictitious  ‘what ifs’ in a desperate wish to support or back him! If there was any good reason ie illness on behalf of him or his family then the club would have surely backed him or disputed the media releases.

The same club that barely says anything? Come on you are teaching with that! 

[AKCJ]

15 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

We are far closer to Leicester and hold it to an impossibly high standard, as is our right.

 

But perhapd you have some more forensic visibility on Newcastle.

 

With Winks there is nothing to see here, so he looks glum, good, nobody included in recent seasons should be doing cartwheels. 

I just used my eyes mate.

 

Clubs from outside of London always get hit with that sort of "Why would a footballer want to live there" sort of question yet Eddie Howe has brought in top class footballers who have bought into their supporter's ethos. Their team leaves everything out on the pitch and the relationship between fans and players is pristine as a result.

 

We've signed too many players over the years that would immediately swap Leicester for London and are only here for the dough. What's wrong with telling those players to do one? Why do we have to accept players that don't care?

[ithuriel]

He either buckles down to earn a move or bench warms, his choice.

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

I just used my eyes mate.

 

Clubs from outside of London always get hit with that sort of "Why would a footballer want to live there" sort of question yet Eddie Howe has brought in top class footballers who have bought into their supporter's ethos. Their team leaves everything out on the pitch and the relationship between fans and players is pristine as a result.

 

We've signed too many players over the years that would immediately swap Leicester for London and are only here for the dough. What's wrong with telling those players to do one? Why do we have to accept players that don't care?

Newcastle is a funny one, they may not have the baked in glamour of the big-six, but they now have a different sort of fame, which can only help with recruitment and kudos.

If we were to limit recruitment to those players willing to relocate, we would massively reduce the pond we could fish in, as Leicester has some nice bits no doubt,  but asking a highly mobile workforce to commit to moving is a further disincentive in my opinion.

[AKCJ]

9 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Newcastle is a funny one, they may not have the baked in glamour of the big-six, but they now have a different sort of fame, which can only help with recruitment and kudos.

If we were to limit recruitment to those players willing to relocate, we would massively reduce the pond we could fish in, as Leicester has some nice bits no doubt,  but asking a highly mobile workforce to commit to moving is a further disincentive in my opinion.

Again, I thoroughly disagree. 

 

But even if it reduces the size of the pond we're fishing in, at least we know the pond will be full of players wanting to do their best for the City. It's a privilege to play for a club like Leicester and any big club would hold that standard.

 

 

[CornwallFox]

Just now, AKCJ said:

Again, I thoroughly disagree. 

 

But even if it reduces the size of the pond we're fishing in, at least we know the pond will be full of players wanting to do their best for the City. It's a privilege to play for a club like Leicester and any big club would hold that standard.

 

 

What a load of dross.

Living locally implies absolutely nothing about intention. 

As if any player doesn't sign for a club wanting to give their best. Where they live has zero impact on that. 

If he's performing it makes no difference. If he's not performing that's the issue, not his address. 

It sounds like you don't have much experience of running anything tbh.

[AKCJ]

1 minute ago, CornwallFox said:

What a load of dross.

Living locally implies absolutely nothing about intention. 

As if any player doesn't sign for a club wanting to give their best. Where they live has zero impact on that. 

If he's performing it makes no difference. If he's not performing that's the issue, not his address. 

It sounds like you don't have much experience of running anything tbh.

You seem to have missed the point. 

 

Very interested to hear your experience of running a football club though.

[CornwallFox]

17 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

You seem to have missed the point. 

 

Very interested to hear your experience of running a football club though.

A business is a business

[AKCJ]

2 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

A business is a business

A football club isn't anything like an ordinary business.

[CornwallFox]

Just now, AKCJ said:

A football club isn't anything like an ordinary business.

Of course it is. You can come up with whatever clever argument you like, it's just an ordinary business, subject to the same employment laws as an other business.

 

Harry Winks has a contract of employment that sets out his terms and conditions. Clearly overnight stays doesn't form part of that given he'd never had to do that before, and he's absolutely right to push back on it suddenly being imposed by a manager with no regard to his T&C's. 

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

The same club that barely says anything? Come on you are teaching with that! 

I think they’d speak in such a case if they knew one of their players or family were really ill and struggling and getting unfair treatment in the press, also I think the manager himself would have been diplomatic about the situation. The whole reason it came out in the first place was because of the players stance or behaviour.

[LeePhilpottsBaldSpot]

3 hours ago, AKCJ said:

Because Pearson built the culture of buy in or **** off.

 

Do you think Pearson would accept Harry Winks behaviour? He’s shown no inclination that he wants to be here.

On the Ben Marshall 'Undr The Cosh' episode he said half the Pearson squad used to commute from the north-west.

 

Off the top of my head - Marshall, Drinkwater, Schmeichel, de Laet, Wellens, James, Danns, St Ledger, maybe even players like Lingard and Keane. They used to do lift-shares for training.

 

In the O'Neill era, I believe Frank Sinclair, Ian Walker and Andrew Impey used to commute up from London.

 

I genuinely think the 'sleeping over the night before' issue was a van Nistelrooy thing and spoke to his terrible man-management. One of the selling points of Leicester is that it's in the middle of the country and you wouldn't need to uproot your family to play for the club.

Edited 4 September 2025 by LeePhilpottsBaldSpot

[Dahnsouff]

22 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

I think they’d speak in such a case if they knew one of their players or family were really ill and struggling and getting unfair treatment in the press, also I think the manager himself would have been diplomatic about the situation. The whole reason it came out in the first place was because of the players stance or behaviour.

Guess we see things different, both with limited evidence. 

Be quite dull if we all saw things the same!

[CosbehFox]

The whole RvN/baby thing is now irrelevant. 

 

RvN is gone. Winks still has a cob on.

 

Maybe the club didn't back him at the time but the fella needs to stick it behind him else it's Watford, QPR, Charlton or Orient for the foreseeable of his future career.