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[eblair]

39 minutes ago, sbfox said:

Spent a lot of time trying to work out where the rot set in on the supporter side of the equation. Was it just after the FA Cup and parts of our fanbase thinking we were bigger than we were? 

 

I only say that because whilst the end of Rodgers reign was painful to watch, Maresca team was a breath of fresh air (mostly). And yet still, the fans didn't gel with him, despite cantering to the title. The appointment of Cooper really seemed to nail the cross in the door and now it's very obvious that we have a large, very toxic element to our fanbase. Not saying that's WHY we're where we are, but it definitely explains part of it. 

 

I then spent a lot of time thinking back to my first games at Filbert Street and really, the supporters weren't much different, so maybe it's just an 'us' thing...

Nonsense we are not toxic enough; not sure any other fan base would have let the first relegation happen the way it did

 

It was nothing short of a disgrace, 7th highest wage bill relegated. Unprecedented.

 

 

[Rodney Fern_8]

15 minutes ago, ElusiveEd said:

Let me guess.

 

You live in  Market Harborough don't you?

No, I don't!

 

Please elaborate??

[Clogger_]

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Edited 16 August 2025 by Clogger_

[Rodney Fern_8]

Just now, Clogger_ said:

I still want to hear if you come from Market Harborough ;-)

I responded, please try to keep up lad

[Nods]

47 minutes ago, Chief Keef said:

Maybe I’m just delusional but sometimes I feel as a fanbase we are a part of the problem. The team is low on confidence and it certainly can’t help if you know the crowd will react negatively to any misjudgment, rightly or wrongly it kills the appetite for taking risk in some of our players. 
 

We’ve seen before how a supportive fan base can help spur a damaged team on. People will hate to be reminded of this but I distinctly remember the shift in atmosphere when clappers were introduced vs. West Ham in the game which kicked off our great escape. Perhaps it was the performance inspiring the fans, but could equally be the other way around. 
 

I know a lot on here will say our discontent with our decline should be more vocal, and I agree. But it can still go hand in hand with supporting the team. Just look at Wolves fans when they came away to us last season. 

Nah I'm sorry. 

 

I would usually agree with this line of thinking. 

 

But it's not a case of fans jumping on the first mistake, the second mistake or even the third. 

 

When there's an evident lack of effort and mistakes piling up, it gets to a point that head loss occurs. And then yes, every mistake is jumped on. 

 

Wouldn't take much to get the fans on board. Start strong, work hard, and the odd mistake will always be tolerated. 

 

Start slow, saunter about and look like a calamity all over the field, and yeah, it's going to get ugly. Which no, probably doesn't help, but I can't blame the fans for it and it's easily avoided.

Edited 16 August 2025 by Nods

[Clogger_]

2 minutes ago, Rodney Fern_8 said:

I responded, please try to keep up lad

Can we keep guessing? Maybe a nice village south of the city?

 

Sorry, I'll leave it there

[The Year Of The Fox]

6 minutes ago, Rodney Fern_8 said:

I assume you were one of those in full voice!

No. I shan’t go again until Tops gone 👍🏻

[stu]

8 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

Getting KP and minions out is a heavy lift, but we have to start somewhere. If not, be certain that the future is bleak

By all means scream blue murder at Rudkin and King Power, it is rightly deserved after the downfall they have overseen. 
 

However, specifically targeting the team during a match with abuse won’t help anyone. It’s Toxic and counter productive.
 

Why would you want to do your best for fans who sing that you’re sh*t 20 mins in to a 90 minute match, when anything can still happen?!

Edited 16 August 2025 by stu

[CornwallFox]

54 minutes ago, Chief Keef said:

Maybe I’m just delusional but sometimes I feel as a fanbase we are a part of the problem. The team is low on confidence and it certainly can’t help if you know the crowd will react negatively to any misjudgment, rightly or wrongly it kills the appetite for taking risk in some of our players. 
 

We’ve seen before how a supportive fan base can help spur a damaged team on. People will hate to be reminded of this but I distinctly remember the shift in atmosphere when clappers were introduced vs. West Ham in the game which kicked off our great escape. Perhaps it was the performance inspiring the fans, but could equally be the other way around. 
 

I know a lot on here will say our discontent with our decline should be more vocal, and I agree. But it can still go hand in hand with supporting the team. Just look at Wolves fans when they came away to us last season. 

Our fan base in recent years has been horrific. 

And it goes back to beyond just the last handful of poor years. The rot set in when we were decent and we've been left with the worst group of fans I can recall in 35 years supporting the club. 

[Clogger_]

2 minutes ago, stu said:

By all means scream blue murder at Rudkin and King Power, it is rightly deserved after the downfall they have overseen. 
 

However, specifically targeting the team during a match with abuse won’t help anyone. It’s Toxic and counter productive.
 

Why would you want to do your best for fans who sing that you’re sh*t 20 mins in to a 90 minute match, when anything can still happen?!

Well, as a counter point, we have game after game of evidence that clapping happily does not inspire these muppets either, don't we?!

 

I think the players know perfectly well enough that their performances have been sh*t for at least a year, and that criticism is deserved!

[Clogger_]

3 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Our fan base in recent years has been horrific. 

And it goes back to beyond just the last handful of poor years. The rot set in when we were decent and we've been left with the worst group of fans I can recall in 35 years supporting the club. 

Agree. At least groups like UFS are trying to change this

[Freeman's Wharfer]

41 minutes ago, Rodney Fern_8 said:

I have returned from Deepdale, also endured the awful display at Huddersfield and will be at The Valley on Saturday but, the worst performance today was not on the pitch. In my opinion, that dubious ‘honour’ goes to our ‘fans’ in the Bill Shankly Kop.

 

When the loudest, and most frequent song heard from that stand, was not a chant giving much-needed support for our players on the pitch, but was an obscene song about Rudkin, then I agree, our fanbase we are a part of the problem, a big part.

 

The Sheffield Wednesday showed us, last Sunday, how real fans support their team, and their plight is far, far worse than ours!

I'd rather those individuals would just stay away. Embarrassing! 

   
 

Can’t tell if this is a serious opinion. If it is, you’re part of the problem.

 

Not to mention that if you and the other like-minded fans who felt Rudkin is doing a great job had sung up in support of him, that chant wouldn’t have been the loudest one.

 

Struggling to get others to sing with you? Might tell you that you’re on the wrong side of this one…

[Noahfence]

Games like today is why I’m constantly calling for the youth to play. Some of those “senior” players are an utter disgrace. 
 

We’re not going up this season. I’d much rather build something with younger lads who’ll give 100% and some ****ing energy. 
 

And before anyone says no I’m not calling for a team of 11 academy players I’m just fed up with these rotten twats. 

Edited 16 August 2025 by Noahfence

[Angus Scott]

4 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

Don't know if I've just seen a shortened clip but it looked like only one player went up to Monga to celebrate his goal

That's true, I mentioned it at the time. 

We'd just got back to 1-1 & hardly any player seemed bothered, they just walked back to the halfway line. These are very bad signs

[Nolucklcfc]

How many of these lot will be here in a years time? 
 

Providing we don’t give out new contracts to them (entirely possible) we have a full championship season coming up with a bunch of overpaid, unmotivated pricks. Genuinely hate most of them

[Noahfence]

Soumare still being here in 2025 just sums the whole thing up really. A serious club has moved him in 2+ years ago. Could say the same for Daka. 
 

Just absolutely rotten. 
 

 

[stu]

1 minute ago, Clogger_ said:

Well, as a counter point, we have game after game of evidence that clapping happily does not inspire these muppets either, don't we?!

 

I think the players know perfectly well enough that their performances have been sh*t for at least a year, and that criticism is deserved!

Criticism over the past year is deserved. There is no doubt about that. 
 

However, surely for 90 minutes a fan base have a duty to provide ‘support’ to players wearing their teams shirt, not to turn on them 110 minutes into the season, which is also the second league game of our new manager in his 4 weeks at the club.

 

We all know this team, for whatever reason, is mentally fragile. Like it or not, the fans that sang abuse to their own players during the first half are adding to the pressure.

 

Some players like Faes and Winks won’t care. Others will and this is where the slightest mistake will knock individuals confidence or make players try too hard rather than playing their natural game and will play a part in performances like today.

[Stormfox]

4 hours ago, Tuna said:

Still, could be worse Russ Martin's Rangers have just conceded at Ibrox to go 1-1 v Alloa Athletic.

Nelson can go get experience there

[sbfox]

55 minutes ago, eblair said:

Nonsense we are not toxic enough; not sure any other fan base would have let the first relegation happen the way it did

 

It was nothing short of a disgrace, 7th highest wage bill relegated. Unprecedented.

 

 

Yeah, we could keep booing our players when they score, let's see how that goes for morale! 

[Stormfox]

1 hour ago, fox_favourite said:

I've just seen the highlights. On the 2nd goal Faes reaction to the goal is a disgrace. Running back with his arms out, then when the goal goes in, watch his hand movement and the fact he turns away. 

 

What an unlikeable guy. 

 

 

 

Agree with this, why was he so far away and just jogging back? 

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, Chief Keef said:

Maybe I’m just delusional but sometimes I feel as a fanbase we are a part of the problem. The team is low on confidence and it certainly can’t help if you know the crowd will react negatively to any misjudgment, rightly or wrongly it kills the appetite for taking risk in some of our players. 
 

We’ve seen before how a supportive fan base can help spur a damaged team on. People will hate to be reminded of this but I distinctly remember the shift in atmosphere when clappers were introduced vs. West Ham in the game which kicked off our great escape. Perhaps it was the performance inspiring the fans, but could equally be the other way around. 
 

I know a lot on here will say our discontent with our decline should be more vocal, and I agree. But it can still go hand in hand with supporting the team. Just look at Wolves fans when they came away to us last season. 

Your two examples though are different scenarios.

 

The Great Escape team had buckets of effort and desire. They hadn’t given up, they were fighting in every game except a very few isolated moments. 
 

Wolves much like Wednesday ; the issue wasn’t with the players but rather the owner. They still had the players backs. 
 

This squad of players have completely lost any good will. They had a chance to harness it from the promotion but they largely gave up last season and on at least three occasions were unprofessional. 

 

Our fanbase will back a side which is rid of the unprofessional players and full of fight. Until that’s done, you’ll end up at the same conclusion. You asking fans to forgive players that have already let them down twice in a lot of cases 

 

In the modern facade of football, trophies are difficult to achieve. It’s more expensive than ever and people just want to watch their side be front foot, work hard. Particularly when your budget completely dwarfs your opposition becauae then it’s a little embarrassing 

Edited 16 August 2025 by CosbehFox

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Boooooo

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, sbfox said:

Spent a lot of time trying to work out where the rot set in on the supporter side of the equation. Was it just after the FA Cup and parts of our fanbase thinking we were bigger than we were? 

 

I only say that because whilst the end of Rodgers reign was painful to watch, Maresca team was a breath of fresh air (mostly). And yet still, the fans didn't gel with him, despite cantering to the title. The appointment of Cooper really seemed to nail the cross in the door and now it's very obvious that we have a large, very toxic element to our fanbase. Not saying that's WHY we're where we are, but it definitely explains part of it. 

 

I then spent a lot of time thinking back to my first games at Filbert Street and really, the supporters weren't much different, so maybe it's just an 'us' thing...

Forest away in the cup. 

[Finnaldo]

37 minutes ago, stu said:

Criticism over the past year is deserved. There is no doubt about that. 
 

However, surely for 90 minutes a fan base have a duty to provide ‘support’ to players wearing their teams shirt, not to turn on them 110 minutes into the season, which is also the second league game of our new manager in his 4 weeks at the club.

 

We all know this team, for whatever reason, is mentally fragile. Like it or not, the fans that sang abuse to their own players during the first half are adding to the pressure.

 

Some players like Faes and Winks won’t care. Others will and this is where the slightest mistake will knock individuals confidence or make players try too hard rather than playing their natural game and will play a part in performances like today.

No. In fact I’d argue that these players, paid millions and bestowed some of the best modern facilities in the country to prepare in, and have in most cases had multiple seasons to prove their value and abjectly failed, owe it to supporters, who pay hundreds if not thousands to travel and attend these games and are the lifeblood of this club, to at least pretend they can be arsed. Instead they’ve handed out utter dross, why should they give them more than two and a half games of utter turgid shite when they’ve seen it all before over the last 18 months?

 

If they can’t handle this due to ‘mental fragility’, they should agree to terminate their contract and move on, they won’t because they don’t care about supporters or the club, and working people paying significant sums of money to see a minimum level of effort shouldn’t just put up with it. 

[sbfox]

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

Forest away in the cup. 

This is a good shout.