6 point deduction - confirmed

[Chrysalis]

Again I mixed up words, I meant I think there will be no sporting punishment (of relevance).

 

They too big a club to allow it to happen to, it would be a bad mark on the brand of the league, and the government links to the owners.

 

We looking at either a irrelevant points deduction carefully timed or more likely a fine in my opinion.

[Manwell Pablo]

5 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Ok I have mixed up terminology I was thinking charge as in punishment, I accept what you saying.

 

But the EPL still could have done this far better.  I think there will be no sporting charge, thats my thoughts on the matter, and I am not alone in these thoughts.

 

You're not alone because unfortunately you are one of many people who do not understand the process properly. I'm losing track on the amount of times I've had this conversation and that is why it gets tiresome and I get very short.

 

Ultimately and what really pisses me off about it, it's basically like Jeffrey Dharma getting aggy in the mid 90's because he hasn't got away with multiple homicides because OJ Simpson walked, no accountability for actually breaking the rules and just saying if he can get away with it why can't I. That's not how life works. 

[Foxdiamond]

3 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

They've been charged with 115 separate sporting charges! City's lawyers are just very good at arguing their point and it's 115 charges, that takes some getting through, they are still in court!

They could of course concentrated on the most serious

[filbertway]

4 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

They've been charged with 115 separate sporting charges! City's lawyers are just very good at arguing their point and it's 115 charges, that takes some getting through, they are still in court!

You may as well be talking to a wall with some people

 

[Buzzell]

So to put this into simple terms, we get smacked with a points penalty because of PSR breach but now the PL want us to be punished even more so and we’re appealing, after us taking the piss out of them as their rules were shit and poorly worded in the first place (which has now ended up the EFL and PL joining forces)

 

Is that correct?

[DezFox]

Great stuff, appeal the decision, get the deduction wiped, get bonus points added, then next season…….WE PROMOTE!!! 

[Foxdiamond]

1 minute ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

You're not alone because unfortunately you are one of many people who do not understand the process properly. I'm losing track on the amount of times I've had this conversation and that is why it gets tiresome and I get very short.

 

Ultimately and what really pisses me off about it, it's basically like Jeffrey Dharma getting aggy in the mid 90's because he hasn't got away with multiple homicides because OJ Simpson walked, no accountability for actually breaking the rules and just saying if he can get away with it why can't I. That's not how life works. 

Nothing like criminal law

[Manwell Pablo]

1 minute ago, filbertway said:

You may as well be talking to a wall with some people

 

 

That's the problem, you get sick and tired of it and eventually your mind set just thinks sod it lets let them stay in charge and try and excuse every mistake they've made and see where that leaves the club shall we when they keep making more. 

[Raj]

We'll do what we want.

We'll do what we want.

We're Leicester City.

We'll do what we want.

 

 

 

 

 

[Manwell Pablo]

1 minute ago, Foxdiamond said:

Nothing like criminal law

 

It's an analogy used for comedic and dramatic effect it's not supposed to be taking with the differing workings of the comparable systems being taken into account - I'm boiling down, if he can get away with it why can I into it's simplest form. 

[Buzzell]

So if the PL think we got let off and wants to punish us even more, surely appealing it is the obvious thing to do right?

 

[MPH]

12 minutes ago, Buzzell said:

So to put this into simple terms, we get smacked with a points penalty because of PSR breach but now the PL want us to be punished even more so and we’re appealing, after us taking the piss out of them as their rules were shit and poorly worded in the first place (which has now ended up the EFL and PL joining forces)

 

Is that correct?

hmm… not really, I don’t think.

 

 

the failure to report  your finances in time, is a different charge to exceeding the financial spending limits.

 

kind of like going through a red light whilst speeding.

 

the police would have every right to charge you with both, in my opinion.

Edited 19 February by MPH

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Give me some evidence to back that statement up. As it's utter garbage based on nothing from my perspective. 

 

Here's my evidence

 

The Premier League itself:

• Investigated City for years

• Brought 115 charges

• Sent it to an independent commission

• Funded a huge legal case

If they “wanted it to go away,” they wouldn’t have:

• Opened a formal investigation

• Publicly announced charges

• Risked their reputation, and it wouldn't still be going on, they're the ones bringing the case to the table, they can drop the case anytime they want.

 

They may not want Man City to 'get done', but they also don't want to damage the competition (such as it is), so they were always going to have to do something.

 

This is that something.

[BigGibbo]

Yay - more uncertainty to somehow further upset the applecart... if that's at all possible.

 

We're blatantly going into Blackburn Away not knowing if a win will keep us up or not, aren't we? 😆

[Foxdiamond]

6 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

It's an analogy used for comedic and dramatic effect it's not supposed to be taking with the differing workings of the comparable systems being taken into account - I'm boiling down, if he can get away with it why can I into it's simplest form. 

And even criminal law correct procedure has to followed or case can be thrown out even if party guilty

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

Let's be honest all this is futile stuff in the grand scheme of things.

If we hadn't appointed a Spanish PE teacher in the summer and stunk the place out for 30 odd games with wasters on the pitch then points deduction or not we'd be in no peril. Equally if Rowett is up to anything he should be able to guide us away from the iceberg to safety.

In a 46 game season a 6 point deduction should not have made our destiny League 1 with how poor this division is. 

[Manwell Pablo]

9 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

And even criminal law correct procedure has to followed or case can be thrown out even if party guilty

 

Correct.

 

Not sure what point you are trying to make, given we are clearly guilty and correct procedure has been followed. 

 

This is exactly why the Manchester City case is taking so long. 

[Manwell Pablo]

10 minutes ago, Hirsty The Blue 94 said:

Let's be honest all this is futile stuff in the grand scheme of things.

If we hadn't appointed a Spanish PE teacher in the summer and stunk the place out for 30 odd games with wasters on the pitch then points deduction or not we'd be in no peril. Equally if Rowett is up to anything he should be able to guide us away from the iceberg to safety.

In a 46 game season a 6 point deduction should not have made our destiny League 1 with how poor this division is. 

 

No it's not and you are missing the point as well.

 

What's the common denominator, the people who bought the PSR charge to the door, the people who appointed the Spanish PE Teacher, the people who have a wage structure that prevents us from buying anyone because they've handed out contracts to players on 2 or in some cases 3 or 4 times their worth, the people who appointed Ruud, the people who have us in bed with an illegal gambling company as our sponsor, the people who told non playing staff shortly before Christmas they weren't going to get paid the money their familes rely on on the date they expected to get it. The people who will run this club into the ground if we keep excusing them. 

 

 

[Foxdiamond]

3 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Correct.

 

Not sure what point you are trying to make, given we are clearly guilty and correct procedure has been followed. 

 

This is exactly why the Manchester City case is taking so long. 

The point being the procedure wasn't followed correctly the first time the club challenged. This illustrated that the rule book and the league is not beyond reproach.

[Foxdiamond]

4 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

No it's not and you are missing the point as well.

 

What's the common denominator, the people who bought the PSR charge to the door, the people who appointed the Spanish PE Teacher, the people who have a wage structure that prevents us from buying anyone because they've handed out contracts to players on 2 or in some cases 3 or 4 times their worth, the people who appointed Ruud, the people who have us in bed with an illegal gambling company as our sponsor, the people who told non playing staff shortly before Christmas they weren't going to get paid the money their familes rely on on the date they expected to get it. The people who will run this club into the ground if we keep excusing them. 

 

 

Agree with this though I think the football authorities are not running a tight ship either

[Manwell Pablo]

1 minute ago, Foxdiamond said:

The point being the procedure wasn't followed correctly the first time the club challenged. This illustrated that the rule book and the league is not beyond reproach.

 

It was challenged because the jurisdiction fell between the EFL and the EPL. Can't fault them for that but you're always playing with fire if the two bodies get their ducks in a row. 

 

The EFL and the EPL have mitigated that by the EFL handing the case over the the EPL. That defense didn't stand up this month and it certainly wont stand up in an appeal. 

 

 

[Manwell Pablo]

1 minute ago, Foxdiamond said:

Agree with this though I think the football authorities are not running a tight ship either

 

Wont argue with that but that's a wider question isn't it. 

 

Our very Leicester City based problem is to do with Leicester City and it's ability to run a tight ship. 

[Tommy Fresh]

40 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

You're not alone because unfortunately you are one of many people who do not understand the process properly. I'm losing track on the amount of times I've had this conversation and that is why it gets tiresome and I get very short.

 

Ultimately and what really pisses me off about it, it's basically like Jeffrey Dharma getting aggy in the mid 90's because he hasn't got away with multiple homicides because OJ Simpson walked, no accountability for actually breaking the rules and just saying if he can get away with it why can't I. That's not how life works. 

He'd of had some job getting aggy he'd been dead about a year by the time Simpson was acquitted

[Manwell Pablo]

2 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

He'd of had some job getting aggy he'd been dead about a year by the time Simpson was acquitted

 

Slightly concerning you have been following the lives of murderers that closely to know that but I'll take the correction.

[Foxdiamond]

1 minute ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Wont argue with that but that's a wider question isn't it. 

 

Our very Leicester City based problem is to do with Leicester City and it's ability to run a tight ship. 

That is fair