l444ry Posted 11 February 2006 Share Posted 11 February 2006 Tim called the clubs personally so it is physically impossible to contact them at the same time. Combine that with the quotes from the Burnley and Preston chairman who said "the call lasted ten seconds". From that I would glean he called a club got a no and moved on!! I am not suggesting Tim Davies is Cerberus. What I am intrigued to know is this: Did Tim Davies have more than one approach active at any one time. In other words, had any manager refused to speak to us before any further approaches were made. If so, Newell probably got wind of this and took the high road back to Luton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted 11 February 2006 Share Posted 11 February 2006 I am not suggesting Tim Davies is Cerberus. What I am intrigued to know is this: Did Tim Davies have more than one approach active at any one time. In other words, had any manager refused to speak to us before any further approaches were made. If so, Newell probably got wind of this and took the high road back to Luton. Are there any FA regulations that state that is how things must be done when looking for a new manager? In any other industry you would draw up a short list of candidates and contact them regardless of whether there were still discussions underway with another candidate, are there rules that state this has to be different in football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l444ry Posted 11 February 2006 Share Posted 11 February 2006 Are there any FA regulations that state that is how things must be done when looking for a new manager? In any other industry you would draw up a short list of candidates and contact them regardless of whether there were still discussions underway with another candidate, are there rules that state this has to be different in football? Technically....I don't think so, but morally maybe yes. That was Kamara's original point about unsettling managers all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted 11 February 2006 Share Posted 11 February 2006 To suspend someone for applying for another job seems totally totally over the top, however the rumours are that the chairman of QPR has been looking for an reason to get shot of Mr Holloway, and well this looks like it ! I almost certain its illegal in UK employment law. Probably explains why he hasn't been sacked. On Kamara, I wouldn't even dignify his pathetic ramblings by getting angry. Most managerial appointments involve drawing up a short list and then interviewing the candidates. It is what we did last time and what England are in the process of doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tevez Posted 11 February 2006 Share Posted 11 February 2006 at the leicester game v derby get the chris kamarra what a willy puller goin because its a possiblitly he wil be at the walkers because of the derby game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted 11 February 2006 Share Posted 11 February 2006 Technically....I don't think so, but morally maybe yes. That was Kamara's original point about unsettling managers all over the place. I'm sorry, this doesn't wash with me. If a manager is secure in their job and know they don't want to leave their club then they'd just say no and not think much more of it (i.e. Blackwell). If a manager starts discussions with another club it means they are already unsettled at their current club. Furthermore the managers and the directors should expect the press to pick up on the story so how can they then complain after the fact that it's disrupted them? The speculation and rumour mongering that goes along with this is produced by the media themselves, any unsettlement of the managers is due to the, often sensationalised, coverage of the story. Typical of them to find a scapegoat in LCFC instead of taking some responsibility in their own actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax Treesdown Posted 11 February 2006 Share Posted 11 February 2006 F**k Off Kamara!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l444ry Posted 11 February 2006 Share Posted 11 February 2006 I'm sorry, this doesn't wash with me. If a manager is secure in their job and know they don't want to leave their club then they'd just say no and not think much more of it (i.e. Blackwell). If a manager starts discussions with another club it means they are already unsettled at their current club. Furthermore the managers and the directors should expect the press to pick up on the story so how can they then complain after the fact that it's disrupted them? The speculation and rumour mongering that goes along with this is produced by the media themselves, any unsettlement of the managers is due to the, often sensationalised, coverage of the story. Typical of them to find a scapegoat in LCFC instead of taking some responsibility in their own actions. That's all well and true Chimp. But I think Kamara is saying that we should have approached one manager at a time. Anyway, it may well have ended up with Cotterill and Newell getting "better" contracts but by talking to more than one manager at a time it seems we lost the chance of getting either of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 11 February 2006 Share Posted 11 February 2006 That's all well and true Chimp. But I think Kamara is saying that we should have approached one manager at a time. Anyway, it may well have ended up with Cotterill and Newell getting "better" contracts but by talking to more than one manager at a time it seems we lost the chance of getting either of them. Why do you keep assuming we talked to more than one manager at a time? You don't know, Kamara doesn't know I don't know. So until someone proves that we did, people should hold their tongues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 11 February 2006 Share Posted 11 February 2006 I have sent an email to that email address for sky and told them I think its libel unless they can categorally back all of his claim's. So I expect them to remove the article from their website. I also said if Tim took legal action I would expect him to have the backing of our fans. I think its best for the club to ignore it tho rather then waste time and resources on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l444ry Posted 11 February 2006 Share Posted 11 February 2006 Why do you keep assuming we talked to more than one manager at a time? You don't know, Kamara doesn't know I don't know. So until someone proves that we did, people should hold their tongues. Holloway will not be fired 07/02/2006 "Once he applied for the job at Leicester we felt he couldn't concentrate on our team. Ian has had a rollercoaster time here under very difficult circumstances. He's done a tremendous job. "But I spoke to Leicester on Wednesday, then spoke to his agent, and he went to see them. "Newell back for more City talks 09/02/2006 by Andy Mann Mike Newell is understood to have been interviewed for a second time about the vacant Leicester City manager's post. Luton Town Website 10/02/2006 I spoke to Leicester on a couple of occasions, and they have conducted their business in the right manner. I know it's a good club from my time there as a player and I felt it would be rude not to speak to them, but at no stage did I speak to them with the intention of leaving this club. "I got a gut reaction on Wednesday morning that I was happy where I was, and that was the first reaction I've had in the last ten days. It seems very clear that City have been talking to more than one candidate at a time...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l444ry Posted 11 February 2006 Share Posted 11 February 2006 I almost certain its illegal in UK employment law. Probably explains why he hasn't been sacked. On Kamara, I wouldn't even dignify his pathetic ramblings by getting angry. Most managerial appointments involve drawing up a short list and then interviewing the candidates. It is what we did last time and what England are in the process of doing. Could be because he spoke about bungs not long ago..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 11 February 2006 Author Share Posted 11 February 2006 Holloway will not be fired 07/02/2006 "Once he applied for the job at Leicester we felt he couldn't concentrate on our team. Ian has had a rollercoaster time here under very difficult circumstances. He's done a tremendous job. "But I spoke to Leicester on Wednesday, then spoke to his agent, and he went to see them. "Newell back for more City talks 09/02/2006 by Andy Mann Mike Newell is understood to have been interviewed for a second time about the vacant Leicester City manager's post. Luton Town Website 10/02/2006 I spoke to Leicester on a couple of occasions, and they have conducted their business in the right manner. I know it's a good club from my time there as a player and I felt it would be rude not to speak to them, but at no stage did I speak to them with the intention of leaving this club. "I got a gut reaction on Wednesday morning that I was happy where I was, and that was the first reaction I've had in the last ten days. It seems very clear that City have been talking to more than one candidate at a time...... How about this scenario... We call Luton, they so No. (Their chairman did come out and say he had said no originally) We call Qpr as Holloway is next on the list. They say yes. Later on Newell makes it clear to his board he wants to talk, so they then give permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l444ry Posted 11 February 2006 Share Posted 11 February 2006 How about this scenario... We call Luton, they so No. (Their chairman did come out and say he had said no originally) We call Qpr as Holloway is next on the list. They say yes. Later on Newell makes it clear to his board he wants to talk, so they then give permission. Could possibly be....however, as it's the main thrust of Kamara's article, Tim Davies was noticeably silent in his email to DavieG about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 11 February 2006 Share Posted 11 February 2006 Could possibly be....however, as it's the main thrust of Kamara's article, Tim Davies was noticeably silent in his email to DavieG about this. Which has been their policy, remaining silent that is. I asked Tim to give me an indication without betraying conifdences which he did. Why would he mention details and dates to me The point is, as I keep repeating no one knows. just because it is printed in the paper ( e.g Andy Mann) doesn't make that any more truthful than Tim Davies saying nothing. All you've done is quoted media sources, frankly I wouldn't trust any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phube Posted 12 February 2006 Share Posted 12 February 2006 Whether I'm just being thick or summat, but I can no longer find the article on the Sky Sports website. If you click on K***y then you get all his archived rants/articles up 'til 3 Feb but not his latest masterpiece!! Has this been removed due to LCFC fan pressure, or am I just blind!!!??? Can any one else find it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 12 February 2006 Author Share Posted 12 February 2006 Whether I'm just being thick or summat, but I can no longer find the article on the Sky Sports website. If you click on K***y then you get all his archived rants/articles up 'til 3 Feb but not his latest masterpiece!! Has this been removed due to LCFC fan pressure, or am I just blind!!!??? Can any one else find it??? Nope!! Looks as though it has gone. These email campaigns work well!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 12 February 2006 Share Posted 12 February 2006 Job done then. He did take some stick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 12 February 2006 Author Share Posted 12 February 2006 He did take some stick! My heart bleeds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l444ry Posted 12 February 2006 Share Posted 12 February 2006 Which has been their policy, remaining silent that is. I asked Tim to give me an indication without betraying conifdences which he did. Why would he mention details and dates to me The point is, as I keep repeating no one knows. just because it is printed in the paper ( e.g Andy Mann) doesn't make that any more truthful than Tim Davies saying nothing. All you've done is quoted media sources, frankly I wouldn't trust any of them. I don't think the QPR chairman and Newell himself on the QPR/Luton official websites can be construed as unreliable unless, of course, thet are both lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 12 February 2006 Share Posted 12 February 2006 I don't think the QPR chairman and Newell himself on the QPR/Luton official websites can be construed as unreliable unless, of course, thet are both lying. Could possibly be....however, as it's the main thrust of Kamara's article, Tim Davies was noticeably silent in his email to DavieG about this. But you're happy to imply that Tim might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 12 February 2006 Share Posted 12 February 2006 Whether I'm just being thick or summat, but I can no longer find the article on the Sky Sports website. If you click on K***y then you get all his archived rants/articles up 'til 3 Feb but not his latest masterpiece!! Has this been removed due to LCFC fan pressure, or am I just blind!!!??? Can any one else find it??? It's still there if you search under Kamara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l444ry Posted 12 February 2006 Share Posted 12 February 2006 But you're happy to imply that Tim might. I am not implying any such thing. I can only comment on things that are said. The QPR chairman and Newell himself give dates regarding approaches. Tim has not denied this and neither does he need to if he doesn't want. But Kamara's article (which is what this is all about) is based upon the "known" facts and, as such, he isn't making it all up as some other posters suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithuriel Posted 12 February 2006 Share Posted 12 February 2006 did kamara actually ask any of those involved? from the wording of his article i doubt it. basically it appears to be just his opinion but he makes it read like a researched piece. he does himself no favours targeting clubs like he has when there are all sorts of dodgy dealings in the game and he wont touch on those. i would have thought a better story would be trying to drum up support to help rotherham survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 13 February 2006 Share Posted 13 February 2006 I have sent an email to that email address for sky and told them I think its libel unless they can categorally back all of his claim's. So I expect them to remove the article from their website. I also said if Tim took legal action I would expect him to have the backing of our fans. I think its best for the club to ignore it tho rather then waste time and resources on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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