How scummy are thieving barstewards?

[Daggers]

Just out of interest, why are the BNP are bunch of thugs?

http://www.stopthebnp.com/

[davieG]

Never going to happen is it really, in Birmingham they polled less than 1/2% of votes cast in the recent local elections. The scum may be 'led' by a couple of people with degrees but they demonstrate every time they gain a seat how crap they are in practice. They don't turn up, they fail to vote as promised to their supporters or they simply get sent to prison again for breaking the law.

We know what happens when these shits do have power, Philosophy Football (t-shirt people) have organised purchasers of their fan friendship world cup shirt to meet with German and Polish supporters to lay wreaths at the site of the Dachau Concentration Camp honouring the memory of the holocaust.

That's what said about the Nazis so they just stuck socialist in their name, threw some muscle about, manipulated the media and before you knew had a dictatorship up and running.

Let's not forget also how some people are easily manipulated, you only have to see the millions watching voyeristic tv to see that. Some people can't distinguish between make believe and reality. Hitler also only had newspapers and radio, today communication is everywhere and very subliminal.

[Master Fox]

http://www.stopthebnp.com/

Well that's just one piont of view, some of their policies are actually quite good. I don't really view them as neo-nazi's as some people like to make out that they are! I'm not a racist or anything but they tackle some issues that need to adressed in some parts of the country which labour don't seem to be doing! I'm not sure I would vote for them but they give an alternative outlook which some people can relate to!

[Daggers]

Just out of interest, why are the BNP are bunch of thugs?

Who says today’s politicians lack convictions. The British National Party is brimming with them – all of a criminal nature. “The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence,†its website states. But despite claiming to be a party of law and order, the BNP is home to criminals, racist thugs and football hooligans. The ranks of the criminals extend to the very highest level of the party. They include:

Nick Griffin (Party Chairman) Received a two-year suspended sentence in April 1998 for inciting racial hatred. His magazine The Rune carried obscene anti-Semitic and Holocaust denial material as well as crude racism.

Tony Lecomber

Tony Lecomber (Group Development Officer). In 1985 he was convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act, including possession of homemade hand-grenades and electronic timing devices. Sentenced to three-years imprisonment.

In 1991 he was sentenced to another three years imprisonment for unlawful wounding for his part in an attack on a Jewish schoolteacher whom he caught trying to peel off a BNP sticker at an underground station. He has a total of 12 convictions.

Colin Smith (South East London organiser). Has amassed a total of 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.

John Tyndall (founder of the BNP). Six convictions. In 1962 he was jailed for organising a paramilitary organisation. Four years later, he was again sent to prison for possession of a loaded gun. In 1986, he was convicted for incitement to racial hatred under the Public Order Act and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment.

Warren Bennett (Chief Steward). Supposed to keep order in the party yet has convictions for football hooliganism. In 1998, he was deported from France with over 50 other Scottish hooligans, including several BNP members.

Steve Belshaw (East Midlands BNP organiser. Was convicted in 1994 for assaulting a lawyer in his home-town of Mansfield. At the time, Belshaw combined his BNP membership with Combat 18 activity.

Kevin Scott (North East Regional Organiser). Was convicted in 1993 for hurling a glass at a black customer in a pub.

Alan Gould (Waltham Forest Organiser). Was convicted in 2000 for racially abusing people in a local pub. He told the court that it was the drink getting the better of him.

Robert Bennett

Robert Bennett. A leading activist in Oldham BNP during the 2002 elections campaign, Bennett has served five years in prison for the gang rape of a woman. He has also served seven years for armed robbery and has over 30 convictions in total.

Mick Treacy. The Oldham organiser has five convictions for violence, theft, and handling stolen goods

Darren Dobson. Found guilty of racially aggravated assault at Oldham magistrates in November 2001. Fined £300. Connected to football hooligans in the Oldham area, and has links to the nazi terror group Combat 18

Darren Hoy. April 2002, the BNP supporter was sent to prison for 3 months for racially abusing people as they left an anti-fascist rally in Oldham.

BNP Counsellors:

Luke Smith (Burnley). Was forced to resign after he smashed a bottle into the face of a Leeds BNP organiser. Despite claiming to be the party of law and order, the BNP failed to call in the police and press charges. Smith had only recently been convicted of football violence when he was elected as a BNP candidate. He has had several more recent convictions and was sentenced to 11 months imprisonment after being caught fighting in Manchester.

Brian Turner (Burnley). Was convicted of attacking his wife and a police officer whilst a councillor yet the BNP refused to disown him. In fact they even defended him by issuing a statement saying: “we are not in the business of persecuting our members because the state considers someone guilty.â€Â

Richard Mulhall (Calderdale). Is currently facing charges on housing benefit fraud. Despite this the BNP has refused to disown him or demand his resignation if he is found guilty.

Robin Evans (Blackburn). Left the BNP after complaining about the drug dealers and football hooligans who dominated his local BNP branch. He also criticised the Burnley BNP councillors as useless.

Steve Batkin (Stoke-on-Trent). Steve Batkin attended none of a possible thirty committee meetings in the nine months to March 2005. Batkin has only spoken twice in his first two years as a councillor and one of those was to ask what “abstain†meant. Was once told to stop talking to the media after he questioned key facts relating to the Holocaust, including saying that Jewish people refused to debate the subject because they would be exposed as liars.

Terry Farr (Epping). was suspended by the Standards Committee after writing abusive letters. An earlier complaint by him to the Standards Board resulted in a ruling that calling the BNP nazi was fair political comment.

James Lloyd (Sandwell). Campaigned on a ticket to make parents responsible for the crimes of their children. What he failed to tell voters was that his own son was one of the areas worst offenders. Also recently put out BNP leaflets claiming a local library building was going to become a mosque. When it was proved that this was a lie he did not apologise but simply claimed that somebody had obviously made up quotes from him.

Adrian Marsden (Calderdale). The absent councillor. In the six months to March 2006, Marsden has attended just three council meetings and his work record for his ward constituents has been even worse. However, he managed to find the time and strength to act as a bodyguard to BNP leader Nick Griffin during the recent court case in Leeds. But then again, what can you expect from a man with several convictions and a long history with the violent neo-nazi group Combat 18.

[Strokes]

I said 'that' is very sad ... point out the bit where I was failing to be respectful there? If I had wanted to say 'you' are very sad then I would have written that in its place. If you disagree with your previous statements then say it, if not then do not get upset when you are quoted.

Personally, I figure that voting for the BNP negates any right anyone has to respect. As I said, it seems to be a screaming contradiction that you can can support Leicester City FC, in the city of Leicester and yet vote for a party that would 'repatriate' all people not of a white European descent.

Are you a Leeds supporter in disguise?

I am not voting out of race issue's here, there are bigger issues at stake IMO, i don't believe the BNP are as racist as people make out, alot of scaremongering and previous associations are at fault for this. I have alot of national pride, but what is the point in being proud of nation that no longer exist, i am english not british and not european.

[Katy]

Well that's just one piont of view, some of their policies are actually quite good. I don't really view them as neo-nazi's as some people like to make out that they are! I'm not a racist or anything but they tackle some issues that need to adressed in some parts of the country which labour don't seem to be doing! I'm not sure I would vote for them but they give an alternative outlook which some people can relate to!

Labour only have themselves to blame for making people feel there is no alternative. The Tories are equally as bad and the Lib Dems might as well not exist. There's nothing to differentiate between all of them now. This is why your average English person is looking for something to give them some identity in their Country of birth which the BNP offers. Unfortunately they will never shed this awful image they have given themselves, mud sticks!

[Dr The Singh]

Cheers singh, i know you don't agree with my views but at least you respect them you are a true gent, you could learn a few things from this man discombobulated.

Just to add this is not a race issue, but a strictly poltical view, i don't expect anyone to agree with me but at least understand that i am as entilted to my opinion as the rest of you, even if it doesn't sit comfortably with some.

That's fine mate, I appreciate your views, it's good people with differing views can still get along!!

It's all about perception and long term. Yes, it would percieve that the BNP would solve immigration, PC, Europe, 'doo gooders', Bush etc.

But the long term effects would be Nazi\Racist persucution, race hate would be common. Poor old Singh would be shipped to the Punjab, that would be devastating to Foxestalk and the loss of ethnicity would cripple industry\economy, hospitals etc. No links to Europe and USA would be financially devastating to this country.

It would be disastrious to this nation, it's very easy saying that the BNP is the alternative but think about it, research it etc.I think majority of people would, no matter how sh*t the current government is, still believe that BNP should not be an option!!!

[Daggers]

I don't really view them as neo-nazi's as some people like to make out that they are!

As 'some' people???

It is universally accepted that the BNP is a far-right, neo-nazi party.

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’

[Strokes]

Who says today’s politicians lack convictions. The British National Party is brimming with them – all of a criminal nature. “The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence,†its website states. But despite claiming to be a party of law and order, the BNP is home to criminals, racist thugs and football hooligans. The ranks of the criminals extend to the very highest level of the party. They include:

Nick Griffin (Party Chairman) Received a two-year suspended sentence in April 1998 for inciting racial hatred. His magazine The Rune carried obscene anti-Semitic and Holocaust denial material as well as crude racism.

Tony Lecomber

Tony Lecomber (Group Development Officer). In 1985 he was convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act, including possession of homemade hand-grenades and electronic timing devices. Sentenced to three-years imprisonment.

In 1991 he was sentenced to another three years imprisonment for unlawful wounding for his part in an attack on a Jewish schoolteacher whom he caught trying to peel off a BNP sticker at an underground station. He has a total of 12 convictions.

Colin Smith (South East London organiser). Has amassed a total of 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.

John Tyndall (founder of the BNP). Six convictions. In 1962 he was jailed for organising a paramilitary organisation. Four years later, he was again sent to prison for possession of a loaded gun. In 1986, he was convicted for incitement to racial hatred under the Public Order Act and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment.

Warren Bennett (Chief Steward). Supposed to keep order in the party yet has convictions for football hooliganism. In 1998, he was deported from France with over 50 other Scottish hooligans, including several BNP members.

Steve Belshaw (East Midlands BNP organiser. Was convicted in 1994 for assaulting a lawyer in his home-town of Mansfield. At the time, Belshaw combined his BNP membership with Combat 18 activity.

Kevin Scott (North East Regional Organiser). Was convicted in 1993 for hurling a glass at a black customer in a pub.

Alan Gould (Waltham Forest Organiser). Was convicted in 2000 for racially abusing people in a local pub. He told the court that it was the drink getting the better of him.

Robert Bennett

Robert Bennett. A leading activist in Oldham BNP during the 2002 elections campaign, Bennett has served five years in prison for the gang rape of a woman. He has also served seven years for armed robbery and has over 30 convictions in total.

Mick Treacy. The Oldham organiser has five convictions for violence, theft, and handling stolen goods

Darren Dobson. Found guilty of racially aggravated assault at Oldham magistrates in November 2001. Fined £300. Connected to football hooligans in the Oldham area, and has links to the nazi terror group Combat 18

Darren Hoy. April 2002, the BNP supporter was sent to prison for 3 months for racially abusing people as they left an anti-fascist rally in Oldham.

BNP Counsellors:

Luke Smith (Burnley). Was forced to resign after he smashed a bottle into the face of a Leeds BNP organiser. Despite claiming to be the party of law and order, the BNP failed to call in the police and press charges. Smith had only recently been convicted of football violence when he was elected as a BNP candidate. He has had several more recent convictions and was sentenced to 11 months imprisonment after being caught fighting in Manchester.

Brian Turner (Burnley). Was convicted of attacking his wife and a police officer whilst a councillor yet the BNP refused to disown him. In fact they even defended him by issuing a statement saying: “we are not in the business of persecuting our members because the state considers someone guilty.â€Â

Richard Mulhall (Calderdale). Is currently facing charges on housing benefit fraud. Despite this the BNP has refused to disown him or demand his resignation if he is found guilty.

Robin Evans (Blackburn). Left the BNP after complaining about the drug dealers and football hooligans who dominated his local BNP branch. He also criticised the Burnley BNP councillors as useless.

Steve Batkin (Stoke-on-Trent). Steve Batkin attended none of a possible thirty committee meetings in the nine months to March 2005. Batkin has only spoken twice in his first two years as a councillor and one of those was to ask what “abstain†meant. Was once told to stop talking to the media after he questioned key facts relating to the Holocaust, including saying that Jewish people refused to debate the subject because they would be exposed as liars.

Terry Farr (Epping). was suspended by the Standards Committee after writing abusive letters. An earlier complaint by him to the Standards Board resulted in a ruling that calling the BNP nazi was fair political comment.

James Lloyd (Sandwell). Campaigned on a ticket to make parents responsible for the crimes of their children. What he failed to tell voters was that his own son was one of the areas worst offenders. Also recently put out BNP leaflets claiming a local library building was going to become a mosque. When it was proved that this was a lie he did not apologise but simply claimed that somebody had obviously made up quotes from him.

Adrian Marsden (Calderdale). The absent councillor. In the six months to March 2006, Marsden has attended just three council meetings and his work record for his ward constituents has been even worse. However, he managed to find the time and strength to act as a bodyguard to BNP leader Nick Griffin during the recent court case in Leeds. But then again, what can you expect from a man with several convictions and a long history with the violent neo-nazi group Combat 18.

Shall we bring up the goverments list of shame? it could well be the longest post ever and that would only cover the last two months. They are the most corrupt buch of twats in history, the PM has actually been in court once and could well be in the dock again for cash for peerage.

[Daggers]

i don't believe the BNP are as racist as people make out, alot of scaremongering and previous associations are at fault for this

And so the links with the National Front and Combat18 are what exactly..?

And so that convictions of party members for inciting racial hatred and/or being involved in racial crimes mean..?

[Ultra]

Shall we bring up the goverments list of shame? it could well be the longest post ever and that would only cover the last two months. They are the most corrupt buch of twats in history, the PM has actually been in court once and could well be in the dock again for cash for peerage.

Get a grip - the government may be involved with corruption but that is a lot different in scale to the acts of violence, intimidation and thuggery that the BNP leaders have been involved with.

And don't forget the nail bomber David Copeland - a proud, card-carrying BNP member. He shows what the BNP's REAL attitude to crime is!

[Master Fox]

As 'some' people???

It is universally accepted that the BNP is a far-right, neo-nazi party.

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’

Ridiculous!!

What do think they would do? Send people to death camps? I honestly don’t believe you can actually compare the Nazi party to BNP. The brutal dictatorship of the Nazis would never happen in this country. All the BNP people want is some stricter border control, which I’m for. Do you think letting 500 odd foreign criminals loose from prison is an acceptable way the home office should be operating? People with British citizenship are fine, we should be focusing on the illegal element of immigration because it affects everyone in Britain no matter what their race is.

[Dr The Singh]

I am not voting out of race issue's here, there are bigger issues at stake IMO, i don't believe the BNP are as racist as people make out, alot of scaremongering and previous associations are at fault for this. I have alot of national pride, but what is the point in being proud of nation that no longer exist, i am english not british and not european.

I've read some of there policies, and to be honest alot mascarade the true identity eg

policies on foriegn, doctors etc, 'we must not have immigrated foriegn doctors cus we take them from countries that need them' and the example they give is a black doctor, etc

Some of it seems good, but how they can fund there polices or how they gonna do it is another answer. It's all good saying 'Brit's first' but I can't see how it's gonna work!!!

[Daggers]

Shall we bring up the goverments list of shame? it could well be the longest post ever and that would only cover the last two months. They are the most corrupt buch of twats in history, the PM has actually been in court once and could well be in the dock again for cash for peerage.

Great comment, well argued

Not wanting to be an apologist for the Labour party ... but it's not in the same ball park really is it? The broad sweeping 'most corrupt buch of twats in history' comment is best described as purile. Can you offer any supporting evidence for this that the entire world has missed?

'Twats' - absolutely

'Most +history' - laughable

'most + corrupt' - hysterical ... I think Thatchers government came a little higher up the league on that one.

'Entire + world' - stunning in its ignorance

The BNP are a bunch of petty little vicious criminals who will no doubt be very grateful for your support.

[Strokes]

That's fine mate, I appreciate your views, it's good people with differing views can still get along!!

It's all about perception and long term. Yes, it would percieve that the BNP would solve immigration, PC, Europe, 'doo gooders', Bush etc.

But the long term effects would be Nazi\Racist persucution, race hate would be common. Poor old Singh would be shipped to the Punjab, that would be devastating to Foxestalk and the loss of ethnicity would cripple industry\economy, hospitals etc. No links to Europe and USA would be financially devastating to this country.

It would be disastrious to this nation, it's very easy saying that the BNP is the alternative but think about it, research it etc.I think majority of people would, no matter how sh*t the current government is, still believe that BNP should not be an option!!!

It's very difficult to believe what you read in the media these days though Mr Singh. I don't believe things would be as bad a suggested if they did get to power, i really think those that were here to do no good would be the one that felt the wrath.

[Guest]

Shall we bring up the goverments list of shame? it could well be the longest post ever and that would only cover the last two months. They are the most corrupt buch of twats in history, the PM has actually been in court once and could well be in the dock again for cash for peerage.

How many labour MP's have criminal convictions?

Lacking in moral judgment is not always a criminal offence.

[Master Fox]

How many labour MP's have criminal convictions?

Lacking in moral judgment is not always a criminal offence.

Letting John Prescott have a job is a crime!

And knowing he has sex is crime against peoples thoughts!

[Dr The Singh]

Ridiculous!!

What do think they would do? Send people to death camps? I honestly don’t believe you can actually compare the Nazi party to BNP. The brutal dictatorship of the Nazis would never happen in this country. All the BNP people want is some stricter border control, which I’m for. Do you think letting 500 odd foreign criminals loose from prison is an acceptable way the home office should be operating? People with British citizenship are fine, we should be focusing on the illegal element of immigration because it affects everyone in Britain no matter what their race is.

No all the BNP will do is put into place polices, put pressure on ethnic minorities by using far right groups such as combat 18, they will stirr up racial hatred and put communities against each other, in the end forcing ethnic minorities into leaving britain!! It will be a slow and timely process, a leopard doesn't change it spots!! As curropt and devious the current government is, so will the BNP will be!!!

[Strokes]

Great comment, well argued

Not wanting to be an apologist for the Labour party ... but it's not in the same ball park really is it? The broad sweeping 'most corrupt buch of twats in history' comment is best described as purile. Can you offer any supporting evidence for this that the entire world has missed?

'Twats' - absolutely

'Most +history' - laughable

'most + corrupt' - hysterical ... I think Thatchers government came a little higher up the league on that one.

'Entire + world' - stunning in its ignorance

The BNP are a bunch of petty little vicious criminals who will no doubt be very grateful for your support.

I love the way that you have to have pop just because i don't see things your way, it's a narrow mind like this that has forced people to act in such an extreme way. You cannot see that there are even remotley valid points to my views which is why it is pointless discussing it futher.

[Thracian]

That is very sad.

You can be a supporter of a multi-ethnic team based in a wonderful multi-cultural city and yet openly admit to giving your vote to a racist, xenophobic party with a history of violence, law-breaking and agitation.

I am sure that using your vote in such a fashion was more worthy than ramming the ballot paper up your arse.

Playing Devil's Advocate here, the Catholic Church and the Radical Muslims also have a history of unspeakable violence, murder and agitation between them - not to mention xenophobia and racism. Both have millions of supporters. It is very hard to take the moral high ground when you are talking about human beings.

Fortunately most Catholics and many Muslims are not fundamentalists any more than, I imagine, are many members of the BNP. Organisations evolve according to the needs of the time and according to who is directing them.

The very fact that the BNP wins seats suggests that an increasing number of people are concerned that there is no-one in politics who is prepared to stand up for the British way of life.

Look at our country today. It is like a voyeurs castle absolutely bristling with spy cameras. Where once we could safely leave our doors open, security is high priority even for ordinary people and it makes me weep.

I don't think the BNP will make any great advances as a political body but even if a new nationalist party emerged there are vested media interests like the BBC which would be determined to blacken its name. For they seem as much against the very Britishness that is being lost as is this shamelessly discredited Government it so fawningly supports.

[Strokes]

How many labour MP's have criminal convictions?

Lacking in moral judgment is not always a criminal offence.

A damn sight more of them should IMO, Mandelson, Blair, Prescott and Blunkett all would have criminal convictions if were not for their position of power, again my opinion not fact.

[Master Fox]

No all the BNP will do is put into place polices, put pressure on ethnic minorities by using far right groups such as combat 18, they will stirr up racial hatred and put communities against each other, in the end forcing ethnic minorities into leaving britain!! It will be a slow and timely process, a leopard doesn't change it spots!! As curropt and devious the current government is, so will the BNP will be!!!

You're probably right Singh, so I've decided that I'm now going to vote for The Monster Raving Looney Party or The Green Party?

Oh is there a gay party now?

[Manwell Pablo]

A damn sight more of them should IMO, Mandelson, Blair, Prescott and Blunkett all would have criminal convictions if were not for their position of power, again my opinion not fact.

One could argue he should face charges of genocide.

[Master Fox]

One could argue he should face charges of genocide.

I have forgotten the actual number of wars Blair has taken this country into but it something like 7 now i think?

[Dr The Singh]

Playing Devil's Advocate here, the Catholic Church and the Radical Muslims also have a history of unspeakable violence, murder and agitation between them - not to mention xenophobia and racism. Both have millions of supporters. It is very hard to take the moral high ground when you are talking about human beings.

Fortunately most Catholics and many Muslims are not fundamentalists any more than, I imagine, are many members of the BNP. Organisations evolve according to the needs of the time and according to who is directing them.

The very fact that the BNP wins seats suggests that an increasing number of people are concerned that there is no-one in politics who is prepared to stand up for the British way of life.

Look at our country today. It is like a voyeurs castle absolutely bristling with spy cameras. Where once we could safely leave our doors open, security is high priority even for ordinary people and it makes me weep.

I don't think the BNP will make any great advances as a political body but even if a new nationalist party emerged there are vested media interests like the BBC which would be determined to blacken its name. For they seem as much against the very Britishness that is being lost as is this shamelessly discredited Government it so fawningly supports.

Some good points there Thracian!!!

I agree with what you have said, although I don't think the BNP is the correct option and I believe no national party will ever be favourabel by ultimately by media that is run by big business etc and that run the government.

Politicians have a major part to play, i find those that run the parties don't really come from working class norm of society. I think nationals like you and myself need to get involved in politics and ultimately change the face of the current mainstream political parties!!