How scummy are thieving barstewards?

[Dr The Singh]

You're probably right Singh, so I've decided that I'm now going to vote for The Monster Raving Looney Party or The Green Party?

Oh is there a gay party now?

You could join the Singh party, where it's heterosexual party time, all the time!!!

[Manwell Pablo]

I have forgotten the actual number of wars Blair has taken this country into but it something like 7 now i think?

I don't count that many! we aren't involved in the Isreal Palestine dispute, thats just Team America world Police.

[Strokes]

One could argue he should face charges of genocide.

Absolutely, i mean how people can have go at me call me racist when Blair has all out war on muslims outside the country.

[Thracian]

One could argue he should face charges of genocide.

You would argue that even more strongly if it were your children that were lying dead on their living room floor.

Yes, many of the most shameful events of the war have been blatantly provoked by insurgents - who should be equally accountable to the Iraqi government for their abuse of Iraqi people- but I have still to see any legal basis for this War ever going ahead.

[Dr The Singh]

I don't count that many! we aren't involved in the Isreal Palestine dispute, thats just Team America world Police.

dakka, dakka, mohammed Islam, ring any bells???

[Dr The Singh]

You would argue that even more strongly if it were your children that were lying dead on their living room floor.

Yes, many of the most shameful events of the war have been blatantly provoked by insurgents - who should be equally accountable to the Iraqi government for their abuse of Iraqi people- but I have still to see any legal basis for this War ever going ahead.

Well the world police is the USA, aslong as they think it's ok, it's ok!!! But who's policing them...no one, UN, NATO etc are powerless!!!!

Iraq is a mess, I could write for hours on the Iraq war but I sum it up as '...we made our bed, so we sleep in it' OR do we leave the Iraqis and years of civil war to happen, eventually leading to a very anti-west Islamic state!!!

[Strokes]

Well the world police is the USA, aslong as they think it's ok, it's ok!!! But who's policing them...no one, UN, NATO etc are powerless!!!!

Iraq is a mess, I could write for hours on the Iraq war but I sum it up as '...we made our bed, so we sleep in it' OR do we leave the Iraqis and years of civil war to happen, eventually leading to a very anti-west Islamic state!!!

I think its too late for that. If we manged to save them our reputation is in tatters with every other islamic state.

[leicester1884]

The gits took my motorbike last night ... but forgot their boltcroppers they'd hidden. Hopefully the retards left their prints on them.

Even if they have I wouldn't hold out much hope of a conviction.

The Police are probably 'too busy' planning their next location of the mobile speed camera & studying CCTV footage of people standing up for more than 5 seconds in L1 to investigate the crime. Funny how there is always dozens available on match day (I'm sure the over-time has nothing to do with it) .

If they ever did manage to catch the scum responsible they would probably let them off with a caution anyhow.

[Guest]

You would argue that even more strongly if it were your children that were lying dead on their living room floor.

Yes, many of the most shameful events of the war have been blatantly provoked by insurgents - who should be equally accountable to the Iraqi government for their abuse of Iraqi people- but I have still to see any legal basis for this War ever going ahead.

The Attorney General's ruling not count then?

[Guest]

A damn sight more of them should IMO, Mandelson, Blair, Prescott and Blunkett all would have criminal convictions if were not for their position of power, again my opinion not fact.

For what? Because you think you might have better morals than them?

This is going to go nowhere. There are vast expanses of grey areas in this debate, and noone will agree, let alone agree to disagree!

[macbeth]

some of the points raised here have made superb reading;

pity its at the expense of discom's misfortune but the quality of the debate has really suprised me; other than a few hissy fits its guardian newspaper standard ( not that i read it that much)

[Daggers]

I love the way that you have to have pop just because i don't see things your way, it's a narrow mind like this that has forced people to act in such an extreme way. You cannot see that there are even remotley valid points to my views which is why it is pointless discussing it futher.

I asked you to justify your extreme statement - you haven't or couldn't

I provided examples of why the BNP is a racist, neo-nazi party populated by criminals - you have provided no evidence to the contrary, only conjecture.

I asked you to justify supporting Leicester while voting for a party that by its own policy would ex-patriate members of the team and supporters - you haven't or couldn't

I decry the support of a party, that stands for a hateful and divided Britain, built on snake politics and lies. I welcome debate on the issue ... but to debate you have to provide fact and evidence to support your 'feelings' on the issue.

Until you are able to do so I fully agree with you on your last point, it is pointless you debating it further.

[Daggers]

Even if they have I wouldn't hold out much hope of a conviction.

The Police are probably 'too busy' planning their next location of the mobile speed camera & studying CCTV footage of people standing up for more than 5 seconds in L1 to investigate the crime. Funny how there is always dozens available on match day (I'm sure the over-time has nothing to do with it) .

If they ever did manage to catch the scum responsible they would probably let them off with a caution anyhow.

Yea, I know. I've been waiting since six thirty for them to come and collect the blooming things.

What I can't get over is that they didn't cut the ABUS chain and lock on the back - so they carried a huge bike down a narrow alleyway that I have (tch, had) trouble riding down... and then had to manouvre it at an impossible angle to get around the car without leaving a single mark on the car or in the copious mud pits masquerading as flower beds. I really wish I had CCTV so I could see how on Earth they did it coz you give me three strapping blokes and I'd still struggle to work it out!

All this for a bike worth £800 that I'd only get 2/3's the value on if I bothered to claim on the insurance. It really shouldn't have been worth the effort...

But, at least you point out something really good - there's no way I'm going to be picking up points my licence for ripping the rubber from the tyres now the sunny weather is here

Means I now have much more time for arguing against fascist sympathisers

[Jon the Hat]

Ridiculous!!

What do think they would do? Send people to death camps? I honestly don’t believe you can actually compare the Nazi party to BNP. The brutal dictatorship of the Nazis would never happen in this country. All the BNP people want is some stricter border control, which I’m for. Do you think letting 500 odd foreign criminals loose from prison is an acceptable way the home office should be operating? People with British citizenship are fine, we should be focusing on the illegal element of immigration because it affects everyone in Britain no matter what their race is.

The very fact that ordinary people like those on this thread think the BNP are OK tells the story. You pick selected points you agree with and ignore the facts about the true BNP agenda. You are as much fools as those who thought the Nazi party wouldn't get into power.

The only way to deal with immigration is to allow those who are here the right to stay and start from scratch. It will never be possible to catch up otherwise. No-one thinks the Home Office have it right, but if you think bringing in a bunch of racists thugs is going to help administer policy you're kidding yourself.

[Manwell Pablo]

The very fact that ordinary people like those on this thread think the BNP are OK tells the story. You pick selected points you agree with and ignore the facts about the true BNP agenda. You are as much fools as those who thought the Nazi party wouldn't get into power.

The only way to deal with immigration is to allow those who are here the right to stay and start from scratch. It will never be possible to catch up otherwise. No-one thinks the Home Office have it right, but if you think bringing in a bunch of racists thugs is going to help administer policy you're kidding yourself.

I wouldn't find it that suprising in cetain areas of the country, however Leicester has extremly good race relations which would be totally recked by any BNP influence.

However when living in West Yorkshire I will admit to having thought about it, on three sperate occasions I had asian gangs attempting to kick ten bells out of me, on one occassion they looked armed . Not plesent. The police were absloutley useless on all accounts, on one of those three occasions my mate got what can only be described as fooking good shoeing, after the purpatrators had been mysterly whisked away by a fleet of Asian taxis , He was left pouring with blood, (he would later need 18 stiches...in his head) any way the cops turned up, and all they did was threaten to arrest him for throwing his fag packet on the floor, they did not offer to take him home or even to the hospital. The police in this country are a joke.

The BNP of course are hardly an answer to this problem, however I would still love to see the twats who drive around in the Honda Civics at 2 am looking for some " white boy " to beat up, live in fear as it is all they deserve. For that reason I can understand the growing suppourt.

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

The very fact that ordinary people like those on this thread think the BNP are OK tells the story. You pick selected points you agree with and ignore the facts about the true BNP agenda.

That's true to an extent. The problem is that people forget too quickly the overwhelming injustices and mishandling that is inherent to right-wing parites. Take the situation in the US - when Clinton was in power, many people were saying 'Democrats and Republicans, they're no different.' It only took a twat like Bush to show them that there is a bloody large difference!

Take the current Brit Government - many people are considering the BNP because they feel they need a different approach. But I think the question should be whether that approach would be any better!

You jump back on the right-wing boat and you soon get a wretch like Thatcher who sounded good at the time but in practice couldn't manage a root in a brothel.

[Strokes]

For what? Because you think you might have better morals than them?

This is going to go nowhere. There are vast expanses of grey areas in this debate, and noone will agree, let alone agree to disagree!

Yes i do think i have better morals than them, but it would be strange if i didn't feel my morals were right I do actually think they broke the law for there respective wrong doings.

I agree there are vast grey areas in the debate, i am actually quite suprised i wasn't attacked or called a racsist at all, well done to all for being resonable on a sensitive subject.

[Katy]

Yes i do think i have better morals than them, but it would be strange if i didn't feel my morals were right I do actually think they broke the law for there respective wrong doings.

I agree there are vast grey areas in the debate, i am actually quite suprised i wasn't attacked or called a racsist at all, well done to all for being resonable on a sensitive subject.

A couple of years ago, maybe. It just goes to show the amount of unrest that's bubbling under at the moment.

[Strokes]

That's true to an extent. The problem is that people forget too quickly the overwhelming injustices and mishandling that is inherent to right-wing parites. Take the situation in the US - when Clinton was in power, many people were saying 'Democrats and Republicans, they're no different.' It only took a twat like Bush to show them that there is a bloody large difference!

Take the current Brit Government - many people are considering the BNP because they feel they need a different approach. But I think the question should be whether that approach would be any better!

You jump back on the right-wing boat and you soon get a wretch like Thatcher who sounded good at the time but in practice couldn't manage a root in a brothel.

You were doing so well up to this point, remind me why Thatcher was bought into power by the electorate?

[Guest]

I do actually think they broke the law for there respective wrong doings.

How have they broken the law? If Prescott and Blunkett have broken the law by having an affair, then so have many others!

[Strokes]

A couple of years ago, maybe. It just goes to show the amount of unrest that's bubbling under at the moment.

Yeah, I don't know quite what to make of it TBH, hopefully people in power will wake up before it comes to nasty head that we all see coming.

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

Because people felt they needed an alternative.

And look what the alternative turned out to be! Couldn't manage her party, the economy, labour laws... oh, and let's effectively murder some political prisoners while we're at it in an oh-so-effective foreign policy.

Then hang around til your own party thinks you're so crusty they don't want you around any more.

Is that an alternative anyone wants to Blair/Brown?

[Dr The Singh]

I wouldn't find it that suprising in cetain areas of the country, however Leicester has extremly good race relations which would be totally recked by any BNP influence.

However when living in West Yorkshire I will admit to having thought about it, on three sperate occasions I had asian gangs attempting to kick ten bells out of me, on one occassion they looked armed . Not plesent. The police were absloutley useless on all accounts, on one of those three occasions my mate got what can only be described as fooking good shoeing, after the purpatrators had been mysterly whisked away by a fleet of Asian taxis , He was left pouring with blood, (he would later need 18 stiches...in his head) any way the cops turned up, and all they did was threaten to arrest him for throwing his fag packet on the floor, they did not offer to take him home or even to the hospital. The police in this country are a joke.

The BNP of course are hardly an answer to this problem, however I would still love to see the twats who drive around in the Honda Civics at 2 am looking for some " white boy " to beat up, live in fear as it is all they deserve. For that reason I can understand the growing suppourt.

Racism is in all communities, but again I hate that word Asian, it's being used to describe a whole host of very differing sets of people, I would prefer the Sikhs to be called Sikhs etc.

The media these days use it oftern to mask crimes done by muslims, I remember just recently a sikh guy who killed a women and ran off to Punjab and the media quite clearly stated the guy as a Sikh. Just recently 3 muslim youths killed a black kid in Birmingham, try to flee to Pakistan and the media call them Asian. I can mention numerous occassions this has happened and it pee's me off.

Anyway, as you lived in Huddersfield (i think you went uni) there, more then likely the attack was by Muslim youths. I remember having a wedding in Huddersfield at the Sikh temple near the city centre and some muslim youths hurled insults at us!!

[Strokes]

How have they broken the law? If Prescott and Blunkett have broken the law by having an affair, then so have many others!

Is not against the law to have sex in the work place if you're a civil servant? That wasn't the case with Blunkett i was refering to his investment in a company that he was awarding contracts to i believe. Not 100% on that one though, perhaps i can replace him with our very own Keith Vaz?

[Strokes]

Because people felt they needed an alternative.

And look what the alternative turned out to be! Couldn't manage her party, the economy, labour laws... oh, and let's effectively murder some political prisoners while we're at it in an oh-so-effective foreign policy.

Then hang around til your own party thinks you're so crusty they don't want you around any more.

Is that an alternative anyone wants to Blair/Brown?

I'd love it if we could get a maggie back in.

Maggie was brought in because the country was on its knees, not for an 'alternative', manipulated history doesn't do the iron lady any justice.